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Old 08-06-2012, 02:55 PM   #1
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Hey guys went to Academy last Friday to buy my boy a Winchester SXP 12 gauge other day and it came back delayed. Sometimes I get delayed and sometimes not but if I do I always hear something in a couple hours. I figure with all this stuff going on everyone is getting delayed. Anyways he said it could take 30 days??? WTH? I thought after a few days and they hadnt heard anything back they sold you the gun.
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Old 08-06-2012, 02:58 PM   #2
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Never had a delay, knock on wood. Do you have a real common name?
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Old 08-06-2012, 02:59 PM   #3
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no delay with a chl ....other than their ability to fill out paperwork
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Old 08-06-2012, 03:02 PM   #4
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I had a delay one time. It was in Louisiana. Never knew why though. Got my pistol in 4 days.
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Old 08-06-2012, 03:03 PM   #5
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I had a delay purchasing my MP5 even with my CHL... Never heard of such a thing.. so I thought maybe with the recent divorce I got some order that I did not know of not the case but I had a 15 day wait. A month later bought a new pistol no delay as they did not even call it in like they never do and I was good to go.

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Old 08-06-2012, 03:07 PM   #6
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I had a delay one time. It was in Louisiana. Never knew why though. Got my pistol in 4 days.
She lost count...
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Old 08-06-2012, 03:08 PM   #7
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Think they have 48 hours to call back if they do not call back you can pick it up not sure if the hours are right but no way it's 30 days
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Old 08-06-2012, 03:09 PM   #8
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Can't be 30 days unless that's Academy policy. Every gun shop I have worked at has told me law is 5 business days.
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Old 08-06-2012, 03:12 PM   #9
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Im not concerned with the delay. What Im concerned with is that Academy told me 30 days. They told me that after 30 days that NCIS cleared there data and I could fill another sheet out. I told the idiot that I wasnt DENIED I was DELAYED. He said "I guess I dont understand what your saying...." Yeah go figure.

I need to know some facts on this delay process. I was always under the impression if they did not hear anything back in 3 or 5 days (cant remember) that they could sell you the gun.
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Old 08-06-2012, 03:12 PM   #10
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I just had a delay on a guy but I can give him the weapon on Friday the 10th unless the ATF tells me otherwise so its 4 days.
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Old 08-06-2012, 03:13 PM   #11
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Academy is very wrong !
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Old 08-06-2012, 03:21 PM   #12
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Had them tell me the same thing a few years ago before I had my Chl. And I would have probably went back but the manager was a real "Richard" about the situation. So I took my money elsewhere. Better decision anyways.
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Old 08-06-2012, 03:21 PM   #13
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She lost count...
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Old 08-06-2012, 03:21 PM   #14
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I know there not doing it to everyone, because Saturday I bought a shotgun at walmart and was out in about 30 minutes.
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Old 08-06-2012, 05:27 PM   #15
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I thought it was 72 hrs with no response and it was yours.
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Old 08-06-2012, 05:50 PM   #16
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I always get delayed when I buy a shotgun or rifle. When I buy a pistol it's in and out. It's not 30 days. I think it's 3 business days. If you don't want to get CHL you can get pre-approved.
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Old 08-06-2012, 06:22 PM   #17
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it happens - happened to me at Dicks eight years ago (pre- CHL)

delayed one day picking up a shotgun - they called the next morning and said come on by -- never did figure out why.
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Old 08-06-2012, 06:57 PM   #18
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no delay with a chl ....other than their ability to fill out paperwork
Yep with CHL the only delay is how long it takes me to fill out the 4473. And I've gotten pretty good at it.
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Old 08-06-2012, 06:59 PM   #19
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I always get delayed when I buy a shotgun or rifle. When I buy a pistol it's in and out. It's not 30 days. I think it's 3 business days. If you don't want to get CHL you can get pre-approved.
Pre approved? Please explain.
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Old 08-06-2012, 07:04 PM   #20
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I used to get delayed on every purchase for 3 days (can be the 4th before you get the gun). Academy also used to not allow any purchase if you were delayed. Their policy not law... Might be where they're getting 30 days.
Now I have a CHL so no wait anytime.
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Old 08-06-2012, 07:23 PM   #21
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Pre approved? Please explain.
Last time I was delayed, they gave me the customer service number to call. When I was talking the lady she mentioned something about a form to fill out that will prevent delays in the future. She sent me all the paperwork but I never completed it. I think it's the VAF process but not real sure. Basically it gets all the extra info on you so next time there is no delay. Best way is to call their customer service number and ask. The person I talked to was pretty helpful. That was about 3 years ago.

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Old 08-06-2012, 07:29 PM   #22
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If it happens often, don't give them your SS number. We had a gentleman that had a clean background, even worked for the state and he got a delay EVERY time. Finally one of the agents that called back to give the O.K. told us not to put his SS number on the form. He cleared every time after that.
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Old 08-06-2012, 07:31 PM   #23
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I knew I had posted a thread about my delay. It was 2 years ago when it happened.

I have no use for CHL other than not worrying about the delays and maybe for carrying when bowhunting. I would NEVER carry any other time. Not against others who want to carry but I know me. I can't carry at work and my truck has been broke into too many times to trust anything in it. When I'm not at work, I'm usually in workout type shorts and only place to put a gun would be next to my junk and that's not happening!
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Old 08-06-2012, 07:43 PM   #24
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If it happens often, don't give them your SS number. We had a gentleman that had a clean background, even worked for the state and he got a delay EVERY time. Finally one of the agents that called back to give the O.K. told us not to put his SS number on the form. He cleared every time after that.
Do you know the reasoning behind this? I put my SSN down everytime, I always figured it would help and not putting it would hurt.
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Old 08-06-2012, 08:01 PM   #25
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She lost count...
Dang, i wish you all would quit using my X wife "Droopy" as your brunt of the joke.

I guess it could be worse. You ought to see her now in her old age. Her other eye has drooped like her right...she now looks like if she is sleepwalking......stumbles alot too.

Just kidding!



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Old 08-06-2012, 08:15 PM   #26
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Part of why I buy everything private party
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Old 08-06-2012, 08:22 PM   #27
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A delay is five business days after that if the shop hasn't heard anything back you are free to pick your gun up. Also if you get delayed alot it might be worth looking into getting a UPIN number.
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Old 08-06-2012, 08:24 PM   #28
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Bunch of Mis-information here so I'll clear so of it up. I used to work the gun counter so I am assuming things haven't changed that much. They call the NICS center and tell them whatever information you tell them. Theycal tell you three things, proceed, deny or delay. Proceed means you take the gun as soon as they finish their store paperwork. Deny you are probably about to be in trouble meaning you are trying to buy a gun with a felony or other assorted things on your record. I have had an examiner asking for the information provided from someone who was delayed. So if you are breaking probation by trying to buy a gun I wouldn't suggest going through the process.

The final piece is what ticks off the most customers, the delay. When you are on the phone the first guy you talk to enters your information into the computer and gets an immediate yes or no. If you get a no they pass you along to a second examiner. The second examiner will spend a minute or so seeing if they can quickly clear up the issue. If they can proceed you get a gun, if delay you wait. They can call back in 30 seconds or as long as 30 days. After that point the paperwork/application expires and you get to try again.

Now when you are on the phone with the second examiner and they tell you the the transaction is delayed they also say "Brady(campaign) law does not prohibit the sale of this firearm after three days.". This becomes a screaming liability issue and Academy and many others won't sell you is they basically assume the responsibility if you were to choose to do something with the firearm. In this day and age they can't afford to take the liability so they choose not to sell you a gun unless the FBI clears you. Yes so smaller shops may buti assume most major retailers won't.

My expire nice was more than half of the delays didn't clear during the 30 days but I have heard that with the new computer program they use it is more common with faster turn around on delays.

Finally, if you have a very common name, a relative with the same name that has done bad things you can get a NICS unique pin where basically they give you a code they takes care of whatever reason they consistently delay you but I do not know exactly how you get one.

Also never heard of the ssn or not issue, I always thought it was a good idea to use it as its would clear up issues with identification.

Also if you have some sort of extra clearance they sometimes give you delays and didn't ever get explained fully why.

You can always get a chl if it is that much of an issue.

There is no way you can be delayed with a Chl, it negates the entire background check and then all you need is your driver license and chl license number.

One last thing if you buy more than one handgun on a single background check they have to fax an additional sheet to the FBI to document a multiple handgun sale.
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Old 08-06-2012, 08:33 PM   #29
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Bunch of Mis-information here so I'll clear so of it up. I used to work the gun counter so I am assuming things haven't changed that much. They call the NICS center and tell them whatever information you tell them. Theycal tell you three things, proceed, deny or delay. Proceed means you take the gun as soon as they finish their store paperwork. Deny you are probably about to be in trouble meaning you are trying to buy a gun with a felony or other assorted things on your record. I have had an examiner asking for the information provided from someone who was delayed. So if you are breaking probation by trying to buy a gun I wouldn't suggest going through the process.

The final piece is what ticks off the most customers, the delay. When you are on the phone the first guy you talk to enters your information into the computer and gets an immediate yes or no. If you get a no they pass you along to a second examiner. The second examiner will spend a minute or so seeing if they can quickly clear up the issue. If they can proceed you get a gun, if delay you wait. They can call back in 30 seconds or as long as 30 days. After that point the paperwork/application expires and you get to try again.

Now when you are on the phone with the second examiner and they tell you the the transaction is delayed they also say "Brady(campaign) law does not prohibit the sale of this firearm after three days.". This becomes a screaming liability issue and Academy and many others won't sell you is they basically assume the responsibility if you were to choose to do something with the firearm. In this day and age they can't afford to take the liability so they choose not to sell you a gun unless the FBI clears you. Yes so smaller shops may buti assume most major retailers won't.

My expire nice was more than half of the delays didn't clear during the 30 days but I have heard that with the new computer program they use it is more common with faster turn around on delays.

Finally, if you have a very common name, a relative with the same name that has done bad things you can get a NICS unique pin where basically they give you a code they takes care of whatever reason they consistently delay you but I do not know exactly how you get one.

Also never heard of the ssn or not issue, I always thought it was a good idea to use it as its would clear up issues with identification.

Also if you have some sort of extra clearance they sometimes give you delays and didn't ever get explained fully why.

You can always get a chl if it is that much of an issue.

There is no way you can be delayed with a Chl, it negates the entire background check and then all you need is your driver license and chl license number.

One last thing if you buy more than one handgun on a single background check they have to fax an additional sheet to the FBI to document a multiple handgun sale.
Thats it....
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Typped that on the iPad too...
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Old 08-06-2012, 09:11 PM   #31
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gents...if you are always getting delays and not going to get your chl, there is a conflict resolution form you can give to the ATF. Many folks with common names have to do this to stop delays.

Same background check as the CHL...pretty sure it is free too.
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Old 08-06-2012, 09:25 PM   #32
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Hey guys went to Academy last Friday to buy my boy a Winchester SXP 12 gauge other day and it came back delayed. Sometimes I get delayed and sometimes not but if I do I always hear something in a couple hours. I figure with all this stuff going on everyone is getting delayed. Anyways he said it could take 30 days??? WTH? I thought after a few days and they hadnt heard anything back they sold you the gun.
The BOLD part may be your problem.... what you have just described MAY be described as a Straw purchase... You are buying the gun for someone else...

It also COULD be described as a GIFT... Depending on how you look at it, or rather how the guy behind the counter sees it....

This COULD be part of your Problem... Not saying that it IS... But it is an issue that workers at Academy are trained to look at.. which means they MAY be looking for it... or MAY have been half paying attention when they took their online test about it...

Best Bet when buying a gun as a gift is to not disclose that at the store, ffl, or wherever you are buying it... Are you buying the gun? YES you are... If you give it to your son as a gift thats your own business, but not worth mentioning to the guy at the counter...

Just a Thought thats worth mentioning.
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Old 08-06-2012, 09:38 PM   #33
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If a straw purchase was believed the paperwork would not be filled out. Would simply tell the customer we are unable to sell the gun. The guy at academy has zero control over what the FBI says and only reads the information on the form/type the information into the computer system

While there are occasional issues with different stores, it is perfectly legal to gift a firearm, straw sales come into play when wives try to buy guns for husbands who aren't legal.
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If a straw purchase was believed the paperwork would not be filled out. Would simply tell the customer we are unable to sell the gun. The guy at academy has zero control over what the FBI says and only reads the information on the form/type the information into the computer system

While there are occasional issues with different stores, it is perfectly legal to gift a firearm, straw sales come into play when wives try to buy guns for husbands who aren't legal.
Correct... but you are assuming the Academy employee knows his butt from a hole in the ground... He may have been trying to CYA after the fact, or just so lost on what to do he MADE stuff up. Lets pretend he Remebered HALF of his training... then he took the Halves he remebered and combined them in his mind.... Who knows what this guy could have thought was the appropraite way to deal witha a supposed straw purchase...

I've talked to almost ALL the guys that work at the Academy in Lubbock (one of which is my lil bro) and if they are a general representation of all the other Academy's then I'd say Im right on target with what the dood behind the gun counter knows... Which aint alot... so dont go confusing the guy behind the counter... you may get to deal with 1/4th of the training he slept through.
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Old 08-06-2012, 09:55 PM   #35
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Cancel the sale and go to another store. Most big shops will have that gun in stock.
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Old 08-07-2012, 07:37 AM   #36
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I just had a delay on a guy but I can give him the weapon on Friday the 10th unless the ATF tells me otherwise so its 4 days.
Correct!! I worked at gander in CS when I was in college, thats what I remember is atf has 4 days, if no contact in 4 days you can sell the gun. But I have also heard that Academy has there own policy and they will not sell unless they hear back from atf.
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Old 08-07-2012, 03:21 PM   #37
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Well they called about 30 minutes after I posted this yesterday. Good to go. They knew I was buying the gun for him but pretty sure the tools didnt have a clue. Im just impatient and hate to wait especially without an answer on why I have to wait. I dont have a common name, I put my SS on the paperwork also. I worked for the state of Colorado as an armed transport officer hauling felons all over the state and also have held a commissioned security guard license. But whatever we got the gun.
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