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Old 03-26-2012, 10:55 AM   #1
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Johnny, Flint Knapper Assuming these are authentic any idea of value of these heads. They were purchased by the daughter of a gal that works for me. She bought a collection from an elderly lady after her husband passed. She wants to sell them just does not want to get ripped off. Any idea of a collector that would be interested?? I have a fair sized collection but I have no idea the names of them or value.
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Old 03-26-2012, 10:56 AM   #2
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If those are in fact the real deal, they would be worth a pretty penny. Spear points are rarely intact.
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Old 03-26-2012, 11:11 AM   #3
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Ill give u 100.00!
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Old 03-26-2012, 12:24 PM   #4
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Ill give u 100.00!
She turned down $2500 for the one on the left.
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Old 03-26-2012, 12:36 PM   #5
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Dam my luck... Lol
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Old 03-26-2012, 12:52 PM   #6
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Gonna shoot you a pm.
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Old 03-26-2012, 01:01 PM   #7
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Well how much are they worth Johnny
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Old 03-26-2012, 01:10 PM   #8
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How is it possible to tell if they are real or reproductions if they are historically accurate?
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Old 03-26-2012, 01:11 PM   #9
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What did she pay for them?
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Old 03-26-2012, 02:29 PM   #10
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She paid $600 for the collection. I am told these were the top end of the collection.
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Old 03-26-2012, 02:47 PM   #11
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She turned down $2500 for the one on the left.
I don't know if that was smart...
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Old 03-26-2012, 03:04 PM   #12
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I don't know if that was smart...
I'm with you on this. I'm leaning towards these being modern reproductions.
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Old 03-26-2012, 03:06 PM   #13
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I new to the artifact world but those look fishy.
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Old 03-26-2012, 03:13 PM   #14
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I'm with you on this. I'm leaning towards these being modern reproductions.
I could't tell you if they are real or not but the guy offering the $2500 was a collector of some sort. So i am guessing he knew it was real.
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Old 03-26-2012, 03:29 PM   #15
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I'm thinking that anyone that wouldn't triple their money, that quick, is just greedy!
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Old 03-26-2012, 03:39 PM   #16
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How is it possible to tell if they are real or reproductions if they are historically accurate?
I would like to know this too...
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Old 03-26-2012, 04:08 PM   #17
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"Historically accurate" could mean many things
It could mean the correct stone, or technique, or material. If it meats all those then you can check for age.
There are many indications that something has been aged. You can use lights and magnification. You can look at wear patterns. Most of the real ones have been "resharpened" or when broken it would have been made into a different tool. They can look at residue of what was used to make it or also see scratch or knapping marks in the creation. There are a bunch mroe clues too.
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Old 03-26-2012, 05:38 PM   #18
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There are experts out there that will evaluate your artifacts, and provide a certificate of authenticity if they decide they are genuine and not modern reproductions. Here's one -- http://www.artifactgrading.com/ Remember, GIYF or Google Is Your Friend.
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Old 03-26-2012, 06:08 PM   #19
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They are fakes.........
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Old 03-26-2012, 06:22 PM   #20
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cool deal, I've seen Walter Schriner (yo ranch dude) pay $1000 an inch for a 14 inch rock.
also had a buddy sell his collection for $10,000 to a private buyer also. If they are legit and some rare type deal u might have something but it could also be a cool looking paper weight too..
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Old 03-26-2012, 06:51 PM   #21
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I forget the name or publisher but there is a price guide book for arrowheads. The last time I bought one was about 10 years ago but I bet they are still around if you check Barnes and Noble or Amazon.
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Old 03-26-2012, 06:56 PM   #22
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Old 03-26-2012, 07:39 PM   #23
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They look real to me.
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Old 03-26-2012, 08:00 PM   #24
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Man what a rip off, my BIL and I found a spear head in the colorado river, I let him have it. I had no idea they were that pricy. See if I can work it back into my hands.
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Old 03-26-2012, 08:04 PM   #25
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I've been knapping for a couple of years and during my learning process I have looked at thousands of pictures and hundreds of the real thing.
My opinion is that these are authentic reproductions based on the type of rock and percussion flake patterns. Number 1 is they both appear to be made from Chert flint commonly found here in Texas. Number 2 is they are just too perfect as in sharp edges which means they were never used or if they are real were probably a burial item placed with the deceased.
Number 2 is I have never seen this sort of style except in reproductions.
But then I ain't no expert and I ain't seen everything yet. There are many people out there that are able to verify the archaic name for these style of blades and also verify if they are authentic. I think I would take them to A&M and get them to give an opinion. I believe there are some people down at A&M that do this sort of thing.
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Old 03-26-2012, 08:21 PM   #26
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Contact Dwain he know his stuff.

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Old 03-26-2012, 08:35 PM   #27
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Notice the ground bases and difference in flaking. Here is an east texas scottsbluff. G 10 quality. Little over 2". Notice the patina from its age. The length gives it away to.
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Old 03-26-2012, 08:40 PM   #28
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Contact Dwain he know his stuff.

http://www.paperedpoints.com/dwainrogers.html
He will carbon date and give a certificate of auth. You can get burned quick buying arrowheads. To many fakes out there, the guys who make them have it down to a tee!!! Temple show is full of them being sold as authentic.
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Old 03-26-2012, 08:40 PM   #29
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The artifact on the left is a Scottsbluff which dates back all the way back to paleo times. Here are 4 Scottsbluff types that were in my house when a authenticator came over to look at my collection. I asked him to bring a few points over to show the family and he brought these.

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So yes, these are found in very good g-10 condition. I'm not the one to say if it is authentic or not just by looking at the picture but it does look authentic to me. If it is authentic, I would not have sold it for $2,500 either. It is worth way more than that. I'm not one to put a definite price on it but I would put it in the 8k to 15k range. Just my opinion.

The one on the right I don't know off the top of my head...would have to break out the book on that one. Heck of a artifact if that is real too!
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Old 03-26-2012, 09:12 PM   #30
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A old man who has hunted artifacts all his life to find pieces like that is not gona sell his whole collection for $600....jmo I lije that andice johnny. I have a G10 calf creek chipped out of horse creek chert I found working in oklahoma.
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A old man who has hunted artifacts all his life to find pieces like that is not gona sell his whole collection for $600....jmo I lije that andice johnny. I have a G10 calf creek chipped out of horse creek chert I found working in oklahoma.

Oh yeah, the andice in this frame is a beautiful piece. I'd love to see that calf creek! I dug up a nice calf creek/bell type on my place in Madison County but it had an ear broke off.

In Roy's defense, the old man isn't trying to sell his collection..his wife is after he passed away. She probably didn't have a clue what those pieces were worth...if they are authentic.
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Old 03-26-2012, 09:25 PM   #32
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Hope if I kick the bucket before my wife she dont sell my artifacts that cheap
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The artifact on the left is a Scottsbluff which dates back all the way back to paleo times. Here are 4 Scottsbluff types that were in my house when a authenticator came over to look at my collection. I asked him to bring a few points over to show the family and he brought these.

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So yes, these are found in very good g-10 condition. I'm not the one to say if it is authentic or not just by looking at the picture but it does look authentic to me. If it is authentic, I would not have sold it for $2,500 either. It is worth way more than that. I'm not one to put a definite price on it but I would put it in the 8k to 15k range. Juost my opinion.

The one on the right I don't know off the top of my head...would have to break out the book on that one. Heck of a artifact if that is real too!

i think you are basing your price based on what it would takr for.you to sell it. but you are way over priced on that. wont fetch anywhere near that in todays market. the $2500 was close. she can do a tad better but not much. no where near a 10k point.
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I would love to see the rest of the collection.
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Old 03-26-2012, 09:32 PM   #35
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the scottsbluff looks real to me from the pics. Really nice patina and the flaking style is correct. You can figure grade 8 points to go for 1000 bucks an inch over 3 inches. She did right turning 2500 down.
Copperhead, your point is a Scottsbluff II. It is generally wided and shorter than the 1and often lackes the median ridge.
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Seen a folsum bring $18,000 Serious cash for a rock
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AGREED! however I have a bannerstone that 18g wouldnt touch!
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i think you are basing your price based on what it would takr for.you to sell it. but you are way over priced on that. wont fetch anywhere near that in todays market. the $2500 was close. she can do a tad better but not much. no where near a 10k point.
I have 2 archaic blades that just fall a little short of the $2,500 range a piece. I figured a Scottsbluff in g-10 condition would go a heck of a lot more than my blades. Also, I was basing this price off of what I have seen Scotty's go for in this length and condition. I forgot which one but 1 of the Scotty's in the frame I posted was worth over 20k...from the owner's mouth. This was 2 years ago so like you said...the market more than likely dropped between now and then. I don't stay on top of artifact values because I have never sold any of my stuff and don't dive into the value side of things. I would still put the value well above my archaic blades though.
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Things are worth what people are willing to pay for them. If she can get $2500 then that's what it's worth. If she can get $15,000 then it's worth $15K. It's worth $30 to me. Ask if she'll sell it to me!!! Ha ha just kidding. I hope they are real because those are awesome.
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What the??? Ok, my infatuation on finding a Scotty has been put on the back burner. A bannerstone is now the front runner!
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Folsom are never big, so when you find a big one, they go for crazy amounts. I got a broke one that someone offered $300 just for the base. Did not make since to me.
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Folsom are never big, so when you find a big one, they go for crazy amounts. I got a broke one that someone offered $300 just for the base. Did not make since to me.
That is crazy. My son is wondering if he could get $550 for this piece he found.


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What was a bannerstone used for?
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I was wondering too
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X2 Read it Jbird and still not sure what its really used for.

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Notice the ground bases and difference in flaking. Here is an east texas scottsbluff. G 10 quality. Little over 2". Notice the patina from its age. The length gives it away to.

I knew that Scottsbluff looked familiar.


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My collection over the years. What is it worth? Not perfect pieces but they are real







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