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Old 04-18-2011, 01:45 PM   #1
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Exclamation Target Panic!!!!!!!...there may be hope.......

I have read on here countless threads about "target panic", and I too have suffered off and on with this horrible habit. And it usually leaves on its own with out ever allowing me to understand WHY is this happening? I have had it last almost a year once, making archery almost miserable (which anyone who knows me, knows it has been my #1 passion for 20+ years.

Well once again, like it seems to do. After shooting one of my best rounds in some time.......BANG! it hit me again and I knew this time was BAD!!! I have shot 3D for nearly 20 years and honestly can't remember the last time I missed a target.......and don't know that I have ever missed a target that I guessed the distance -/+ 2 yrds. But instantly i missed TWICE! Locked up a foot over the target....knew I was a foot over the target........and shot anyway. Over and over and over, I was sick.


Did a lot of reading on the subject, ideas and theorys, suggestions. Some good, some comical. But I have an understanding of MY type of "TP" now. Here are some tips I am trying.....and getting instant results!

Blind Shooting. I've done this a thousand times and I dont think it cures "TP" but is a manditory building block.

Stand in front of target you cant miss. Close your eyes, anchor, and put the pin dead center of the imaginary dot in you mind..........just hold it as long as you can. then concentrat on the release and follow through. do this until its borring.....then do it 20 more times!

This is the method that IS WORKING FOR ME:

Multiple Target Acquisition you can google it

Draw, and aim. Acquiring the target, but DO NOT SHOOT!, move off target and go back on target.and DON'T SHOOT!..........then let down and relax

Then do it again, this time acquire the target 3 or 4 times without shooting. Have finger on the trigger and pull thru just tell your self "I will not be shooting this target"

After a while aim 2-3 times and shoot WHEN YOU ARE LOCKED ONTO TARGET! then quit for the day. If you cant then keep aiming and letting down.

I had "TP" so bad this time, it took me a dozen attempts to aim and let down without shooting. I was telling myself" I'm not going to shoot".........and shooing anyway.Hope this helps someone. I'm sure it will come back, but knowing WHY maybe I can once again continue to shooting at my best.

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Old 04-18-2011, 01:49 PM   #2
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Very interesting.....


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Old 04-18-2011, 01:51 PM   #3
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THis is a good tip. TP will never be cured if you ever truly have it. It can me maintained like mine. I punch even with a BT release. BUt I shoot a lot in my yard and am learning to deal with it and its getting better. Good luck in that battle.
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Why are you coping me? Holy crap that was like reading my own TP biography and that is the best cure I have found. It works well and I still have the same proble
with shooting even though I have no intention of shooting. Hmmm, guess I'm not alone.
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Old 04-18-2011, 01:55 PM   #5
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I have had bouts with it as well. The only thing that helps me is mentally visualizing the fletchings going into the target. (I don't know why this helps). I bow hunted most of last October with a bad case. I would not have even drawn on a deer because of it.
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Old 04-18-2011, 02:09 PM   #6
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I have shot a back tension release for 6-7 years (only target) trying to beat it...and basically I put a band-aid on the problem. I shot lights out with one, but would fall on my face when switching back to a caliper for hunting.plus pic up other bad habits that broad heads would later revile. Eventually I learned (not trying) to manipulate the back tension release, causing even more problem............like a snow ball headed down hill.

MY form of TP is: unable to put pin on target.......much less aim and hold it there until shot. The "MTA" tech is now allowing me the aim again.

This will take weeks/months of repetition to make this "habit", but I shot 3 arrows earlier at 20ydrs (I know close, but I'm starting over) at 1/2" dots and hit all 3!Its hard to stop shooting after that, but I know it must be done.
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Old 04-18-2011, 04:53 PM   #7
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Just went out and aimed at 30 without shooting 10 times. Then aimed, moved off target and aimed again a few times. Only shot 3 arrows.............all EASILY inside a golf ball sized dot......with a .019 pin. Put it up and calling it a day. Thats tough to do, when you like to shoot as much as I do.
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Old 04-18-2011, 05:11 PM   #8
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nice write up i'll definately be trying that next time i shoot
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Old 04-18-2011, 05:26 PM   #9
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I'm a long time sufferer as well. I had to switch to back tension. I always entertained hopes of defeating TP and moving back to my desired release. I gave up a few months ago. It's a Carter Evolution for me for now on. I tried all the fixes, eyes closed, aim but don't shoot, envision the dot, grip bow tight, shoot with fingers, etc. Somehow my brain knows when I don't intend to shoot and I can hold the pin on the target all day.
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Hi my name is BTLowry and I have target panic too

It is not very bad right now but it comes and goes. Going to try the MTA and see if I can get some positive results

My problem has always been locking up just below the "spot", cannot get the pin up that last little bit to get it on the target. At one point I was compensating by sighting my pin in so it would hit where i wanted it too even though it was low on the target, then it got to where I could not get the pin to where it needed to be to get my arrow in the spot anyway
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I have got it some kind of bad. Normally I never have an issue when hunting, until last year. I too have a problem not being able to put my pin on my target and keep it there. I went hunting and actually could not put the pin on the doe at 15yards and make a chip shot. I was MISERABLE. I am currently working on curing it. I am also talking to an archery coach and seeing what suggestions I can get.
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Old 04-18-2011, 06:29 PM   #12
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Thank you!
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Old 04-18-2011, 06:58 PM   #13
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I have had this problems for many, many years and have tried every method known to man with very little positive results. The only thing that helped me "control" my TP was the Whalen's Hooker true back tension release. I have tried more BT releases than I care to mention and this is the only true BT release that helped me in learning to "control" my panic and to learn the proer way to "trigger" a release. One other thing that will definitley tell you if you are using the right "muscles" to draw and execute the shot is a device called the "RipCord". Using this device will make you draw with the proper back muscles and not your hand/forearm/arm, only your back. TP is one thing I would not wish on most of my enemies.
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Old 04-18-2011, 07:05 PM   #14
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I'm glad I'm not the only one. I'll keep following the thread. What has helped me is to make sure the sight and kisser are correct, and squeeze the Tru-Ball gradually. I was also trying to ease back on the draw rather than keep my forearm straight with a slight bend to clear the string.

I've found it's much better to put a steady squeeze and hit "within the kill zone" than to wait until everything is perfect, only to punch the release.

Just my two cents, hope I'm not the thread killer.
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Old 04-18-2011, 07:14 PM   #15
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Deer targets I am ok but put a dot out there on certain days and a punching away I go. Not all the time though. When I first started shooting I was a drive by shooter. That doesn't work too well with broad heads. If I don't concentrate, I catch myself doing it from time to time.
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Old 04-18-2011, 07:23 PM   #16
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There are many forms of target panic. I have no problem with release and follow thru..............its like 2 north poles on magnets trying to put the pin on a target..........couldn't do it. I hope this continues to work, I like shooting BT releases but dont want to use them as a crutch.
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Old 04-18-2011, 09:44 PM   #17
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This off-season I've been working on my problem too--can't seem to put the pin on the spot and hold it there. I have been shooting 5 8-arrow rounds at 10 yards every other day for about a month, then this week I've gone to 2 rounds at 10, 1 at 15, and back to 10 for 2 more rounds. It's getting better, but I've got to try the MTA method--
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Old 04-18-2011, 11:01 PM   #18
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Dang Kyle, you've got it bad. I hope i don't ever get it. Well I know we all have it to some degree, but I hope I never go through what I just read. I could visualize your pain if that makes any sense. Felt like a nightmare. Guess that means you explained it well. Anyways, I just bought a carter insatiable+ thumb trigger. Did you ever try one of these style releases? Maybe the bad habits you get from back tension wouldn't translate to the caliper when you are hunting. Not sure just a thought. Hope it gets better and I would give you my 2 cents worth on a caliper release, but I was doing it all wrong and Richard fixed me, so I'm sure you have heard the speech from him already. Have you been hog hunting lately and if so is the panic there with a live animal or just when you are trying to hit the dot/ring? Maybe something to look at.
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I went out and put the pin on the target last night and moved off as suggested. I could not do it at first, but gradually I could actually put the pin on the target and hold it there for a second. Then move off and back on. I eventually shot three shots.

I have heard of another way to help with TP. You make a large dot (like the size of a paper plate) and stand in front of the target at 5 yards and shoot it. Then you back up and keep shooting it (over the course of several days) Until you are at 20 yards. Then you move closer and reduce the size of the dot, and do as you did before. Pretty soon you will have a very small dot that when you move back to 20 yards, you will not have any pf the problems. (worth giving it a try)
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LOL..This thread would be funny if it wern't so dang true!
TP is the most aggravating thing I have ever dealt with. It's hard to believe a bunch of grown men can't hold a little pin on a little dot. The harder I try to FORCE it there the worse it gets.

Good read!
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Old 04-19-2011, 08:17 AM   #21
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Ok, fellow target panic inflictees. I have the answer for five of you... no more TP. It's just too much trouble to do this for a whole bunch of people. If you really want the (free) cure, I will send it to the first five pm'ing me. It's something I'll have to spend some hours doing, and will mail it to you.

I have had it to the point where I quit archery altogether for quite a number of years (likely longer than many of you have been alive), but since have found the only permanent answer I know of, and am shooting well these days.

The cure is painless, and practically immediate. No attachments, no practicing whatever, no special equipment. If it works for you, I only request you post to that effect, but I'm not interested in making money off any more TP sufferers, but rather that if it works for you, you pass it on to the next guy.
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Old 04-19-2011, 10:26 AM   #27
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I realize I am number 6 to PM you but interested as well if not a inconvience.
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Guys - sorry for the delay, but I've been watering pecan trees all day.

Got more than five replies already. Here's hoping you can get some help. If it works for the guys I'll be sending it to, I've asked them to mention it on the forum, and maybe we can get something more going down the road. Thank for all the pm's.
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Man I hope you guys get this resolved. Thank god I have never experienced this.

If I ever do - my pure and simple plan would be to KAP, KAP, KAP until it goes away.
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Day 2:


Started blind again for about 5-6 shots. Went to 20yrds aimed, pulled away, aimed relaxed twice. Much easier than yesterday. Shot three arrows that had I been shooting the same dot would have destroyed 2 of them. Went to 30, shot one 3 arrow group felt "TP" creaping in and let down. Repeated same drill as I did at 20 and shot a 3 arrow group under silver dollar sized.

I just had to try 40. 3 arrows at a 8" black circle with a 2.5" white center.....all 3 shafts were touching and 2 vanes were shot OFF!

Feels better than anyone can imagine to finally see some light at the end of the tunnel...its a long tunnel.......but there is a light
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I'm not sure what the "5 PM" issue is, never heard of that stipulation before. Must be following the drinkin/huntin thread.
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Low fence, I have been trying what you have been saying. When you draw and put the pin on the target and then pull away and then go back. Do you let down? Do you do it more than once? I drew and put the pin on the target and then moved off the target and back on, I did this maybe 10 times before finally shooting. By the time I finally shot, I was starting to get tired. I only shot a few arrows, but I was wondering if I needed to let down or shoot the shot? I have not been able to put the pin on the target for years, but I was actually able to do it and hold it there. So I am thinking that this is helping already.
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Ok, fellow target panic inflictees. I have the answer for five of you... no more TP. It's just too much trouble to do this for a whole bunch of people. If you really want the (free) cure, I will send it to the first five pm'ing me. It's something I'll have to spend some hours doing, and will mail it to you.

I have had it to the point where I quit archery altogether for quite a number of years (likely longer than many of you have been alive), but since have found the only permanent answer I know of, and am shooting well these days.

The cure is painless, and practically immediate. No attachments, no practicing whatever, no special equipment. If it works for you, I only request you post to that effect, but I'm not interested in making money off any more TP sufferers, but rather that if it works for you, you pass it on to the next guy.
I can't wait to here this.
Why can't you just post it once on the forum for everybody?
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Old 04-20-2011, 08:55 PM   #34
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This sounds like the yips some people get putting.
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I tried it Monday PM and it seemed to go OK, and my shooting afterwards was as good as if not better than usual. I'll keep at it. Don't understand why I can nail the target, move off, move on, move off, move on, but when it is time to pull through, it gets harder. Must be something with the wiring inside my head!
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I am getting the info from starpost9 and it sounds more like something that is done specifically for each individual. Anxious to get the info and see if it works on my seemingly never ending case of TP. If it does work, everyone will know about it.
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That exact method fixed mine also. I had the exact same problem on targets but I could shoot a tick off a deers arse!
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Low fence, I have been trying what you have been saying. When you draw and put the pin on the target and then pull away and then go back. Do you let down? Do you do it more than once? I drew and put the pin on the target and then moved off the target and back on, I did this maybe 10 times before finally shooting. By the time I finally shot, I was starting to get tired. I only shot a few arrows, but I was wondering if I needed to let down or shoot the shot? I have not been able to put the pin on the target for years, but I was actually able to do it and hold it there. So I am thinking that this is helping already.
Let down. Thats part of the process of teaching your self.you dont have to shoot, and never shoot if your not dead center of the target.
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I never really understood the psychology behind TP...interesting if you think about it. Typically you are intending to shoot the target and there's little chance the target will attack you in return so why does it result in a "panic" type of reaction. I say "No Fear"...shoot away!....I guess killing paper is one thing but I don't completely understand "buck fever" either even though that's different. I experience it after the shot, adrenaline - but never before.hmmmm the brain is a funny thing
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Low Fence, Thanks for the info. I too am getting some info from Starpost9 and can not wait to see what it is and if it will help me. If it does I will be tooting this mans horn for ages.
I have been shooting a bow for 32 years. The last 10 I have had TP and just did the best I could. ( I blamed it on my bow, my arms, my back, my eyes) It wasn't until last year that I finally id'd it as TP and started making plans to resolve it.
Using the method of putting the pin on the target and taking it off, has at least allowed me to put the pin on the target. THAT IS A START!!!!

Let's see where it goes from there.
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As of now, I'm now shooting as good at 50yrds, with a .019 pin on my hunting set up as I did "pre" TP days with a 6X lens on my 3D bow. consistent 2.5"-3" at 50..and actually aiming. Hope this method is still working for some as much as it has for me
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Still doing it on my end also. Was not able to shoot tonight, but will shoot tomorrow and be able post up.
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Old 04-26-2011, 03:02 PM   #43
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Ok, today I mailed out the fifth and last TP solution. It's taken most of my free time this last week to finish the job, but hopefully those five guys will start posting within the next several days as to their success or lack thereof, to this TP solution.

Please, no more pm's (I'm still getting them). If those five guys think it worked for them - and I would want to wait another few weeks to make sure it's still working - then I'll figure out something to make it available to anyone else so interested, but be forewarned, there will be a fee.

Actually, what I have done for those guys isn't dissimilar to the niche business I have had on the side for over 40 years now. But frankly I never imagined that so many other guys had experienced the heartbreak of TP like I had (twice, and for a long spell the first time). Therefore, I was late to the game of figuring out that I should incorporate basically the same solution I'd used to help others with lifestyle changes all these years.

That's all I care to say for right now. Let's let those guys speak their piece.

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Well I went out and drew back and put my pin ON the target, and then........ I let down. I did this a couple times and eventually I shot 4 arrows. @ at 20 and 2 at 30yds.

I have not received my pkg from Starpost...but I am anxiously waiting.
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I am new to this forum, and keenly interested in this topic. Can any of you guys tell me if AJ's solution really worked for you? I've been fighting this thing for a while. As many of you know, it really takes the fun out of the sport I have enjoyed for such a long time.

Did his suggestions really work for you? Its one of the few ideas I have not tried. I am not looking for a magic cure, just something that will really help.

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Old 08-01-2011, 02:21 PM   #46
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Worked for me. I did a lot of changes before I got the DVD from AJ, but if you think about TP, it is basically a mental aspect of shooting and shooting form. This is what his DVD deals with. I highly recommend it. Will it work for you, I do not know that answer, but I would give it a try.
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Old 08-01-2011, 02:48 PM   #47
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I was fortunate enough to receive one of Andy's original offers and it has definitely helped. With that said, I have not been able to shoot as often as I would like due to an injury. It sounds crazy, but the mental part of listening to his DVD carried right over into shooting. I was skeptical like you, but its really something to try. I will post as I am able to shoot more to give continued feedback.
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Old 08-01-2011, 03:13 PM   #48
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I used to get TP really bad, but now I'm in denial.

I'm too busy shooting to get TP. Write down your steps to shoot, starting with your stance and work each step mentally to execute the shot. If you skip a step or stop the conciousness from working, let down and start over. It is like remembering a long passage or song.
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Old 08-01-2011, 03:25 PM   #49
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For those that are wanting to know if this is just snake oil or the real deal. I have had this problem for at least the last ten years. I have tried everything I could to help me shoot better. But luckilybit never affected my hunting.....until last year. I fell apart. Really got me down. I posted on this thread and was fortunate enough to get his info. I did as instructed and IMMEDIATELY noticed a difference. The more I used it the better I got. Now I can actually hold my pin on the target. I do not flinch and I do not have the feeling of doom or dread I used to have. If you have ever had even the slightest bit of worry during your shooting or if you flinch or can not hold your pins on the target (as I USED to have) you really need to try this. I wish I had done this 10.years ago.....I would not have screwed up a shot on a 170" buck.
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Old 08-01-2011, 03:32 PM   #50
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