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Old 10-28-2010, 10:32 AM   #1
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Just a thought here, but the company I work for reps and sells Flir infrared cameras, mainly we sell them to power utilities companies and factories so they can tell if a transformer or other machine is overheating etc etc. I got to thinking, this would work for looking for a deer in some thick brush. Now it wouldn't work if the deer has been dead a long time and lost all of its body heat, but these cameras are pretty impressive and can find a heat source through some pretty thick stuff. I was thinking if you are running a high and ranch where people pay big bucks for a hunt having nice piece of equipment to help locate the animals might be worth it ( they are a little pricey, around $1900 for the hand held units) Im going to take one of our demos out this year and see just how good it works. Just a thought, anything to help hunter find their game.
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Old 10-28-2010, 10:37 AM   #2
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I have a Fluke Ir camera here at work and have often thought about putting it to use in such a manner. I just hate the thought of something happening to it in the woods. i'd have a very expensive piece of equipment to replace.
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Old 10-28-2010, 10:38 AM   #3
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Ouch $1900!!! But if you need to test another demo just let me know!
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Old 10-28-2010, 10:40 AM   #4
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$1900 isn't bad. The Fluke Ti-25 I have ran $6500.
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Old 10-28-2010, 10:40 AM   #5
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IMO the only reason that something like this hasn't been marketed is the cost per unit, and risk of damage. It makes perfectly good sense that it will work as long as there is heat coming from the body.
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Old 10-28-2010, 10:42 AM   #6
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I have a Fluke Ir camera here at work and have often thought about putting it to use in such a manner. I just hate the thought of something happening to it in the woods. i'd have a very expensive piece of equipment to replace.
yeah it would need to stay put up until needed just for this reason and maybe only have a few guys who are allowed to use them. not something you want just riding around in your truck with you until needed.
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Old 10-28-2010, 10:43 AM   #7
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There was a small hand held device years ago that did about the same thing, but with out the monitor screen. It just had lights that lit up when pointed at the heat source. I'll see if I can find it somewhere on the net.
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Ouch $1900!!! But if you need to test another demo just let me know!
maybe I can open up my own tracking service!
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Old 10-28-2010, 10:47 AM   #9
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here was onehttp://www.game-finder.com/
here is another http://www.aimshot.com/heatseeker.php
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I have a friend in the home water damage repair and restoration business. He has one of these cameras and uses his to occasionally find deer...or determine where the cows are prior to heading out in the mornings.

It's a great way to verify if there are any Deer around or bedded in an area you are about to walk into.

I hunted with him last week in MO, and it was pretty cool to scan the soy bean field in front of his farmhouse early in the morning and at night. Amazing how many critters are there, that we usually never see. And does a great job at finding water leaks

His camera is about the size of a typical office phone, and nice sized display... and bou coup expensive.
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Old 10-28-2010, 10:48 AM   #11
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interesting. Great idea, but not really affordable yet.
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Old 10-28-2010, 10:49 AM   #12
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Have you or anyone you know ever used one of these?
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Old 10-28-2010, 10:51 AM   #13
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maybe I can open up my own tracking service!
As funny as that is you might be on to something! I mean, people sell tracks by their dogs...why couldn't you do same. Money maker!
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Old 10-28-2010, 10:54 AM   #14
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Old 10-28-2010, 10:58 AM   #15
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interesting. Great idea, but not really affordable yet.
yeah not for the everyday normal hunter, but for some of the big game ranches maybe. ahh whats another 2 grand!
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Old 10-28-2010, 11:18 AM   #16
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what about night vision goggles? Wouldn't those work the same?
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Old 10-28-2010, 11:21 AM   #17
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what about night vision goggles? Wouldn't those work the same?
I would think so unless you are looking during the day
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Old 10-28-2010, 11:44 AM   #18
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I have been algling for my boss to buy one. They are really cool to use.
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Old 10-28-2010, 12:32 PM   #19
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$1900 is about 1/10th the price of a good dog. That's not a bad idea.
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Old 10-28-2010, 12:46 PM   #20
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what about night vision goggles? Wouldn't those work the same?
Current NVGs use a light intesifier to amplify the light. They do not detect heat.

Military apps have thermal viewers that are the cats behind.
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Old 10-28-2010, 12:51 PM   #21
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Current NVGs use a light intesifier to amplify the light. They do not detect heat.

Military apps have thermal viewers that are the cats behind.
Yeah FLIR has military division that is amazing! Unfortunatly we can only get the industrial division stuff but I keep bugging our rep for a "demo" infrared scope for some night time hog huntin!
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Old 10-28-2010, 12:52 PM   #22
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Hey Krausejmk,

Thats an impressive looking dog. Is that a Lacy? If so, which breeder did you get it from?
Sorry for going off topic!!
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Old 10-28-2010, 12:54 PM   #23
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I want one but the prices are still to high.
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Old 10-28-2010, 12:59 PM   #24
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Thats an impressive looking dog. Is that a Lacy? If so, which breeder did you get it from?
Sorry for going off topic!!
Thanks! she's a mutt, I found her a few years ago roaming the streets when she was about 1, best I can tell she is mainly lab with some sort of pit or boxer or something else mixed in because she is more muscular than any lab I have seen. Maybe she does have some lacy that would be sweet! She is also the sweetest dog ever, she comes to work with me everday and has never been a problem. and she LOVES to hunt and track.
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Wouldn't work well early season... deer temps are too close to the air temp...

might work well up north though...
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Old 10-28-2010, 01:01 PM   #26
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Wouldn't work well early season... deer temps are too close to the air temp...

might work well up north though...
That's what I wasn't sure about. What is a normal deer temp?
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Sound and Looks like a Lacy to me!!! She has the white marking also. Either way--great looking dog.
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Old 10-28-2010, 01:06 PM   #28
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Sound and Looks like a Lacy to me!!! She has the white marking also. Either way--great looking dog.
Thanks! I get a lot of comments about her, She only weighs about 50 lbs too. I'm not too familiar with Lacy's but I'm going to go with that from now on, thanks!
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That's what I wasn't sure about. What is a normal deer temp?
over 100 i think... think someone told me it was like 110?

Edit: looked it up... 104
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Old 10-28-2010, 01:35 PM   #30
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over 100 i think... think someone told me it was like 110?

Edit: looked it up... 104
thanks, but with these you can tell a big difference in just a few degrees, for instance I was messing with it during the summer prob 95 degrees out and it had no problem finding me 30 or so yards away.
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Old 10-28-2010, 01:47 PM   #31
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even if the temps of an animal are cold, from the images i saw in a FLIR equipped aircraft, you can see shapes due to coloring a lot clearer than with NVG.
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These would be just as effective at night right? My problem isn't so much thick brush, but tracking after the sun has gone down. This would make that job A LOT easier.
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These would be just as effective at night right? My problem isn't so much thick brush, but tracking after the sun has gone down. This would make that job A LOT easier.
Yep, works the same day or night
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Old 10-28-2010, 03:09 PM   #34
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I would think so unless you are looking during the day
i work for a power company and have used the hi end ir cameras and they are awesome have thought the same about tracking deer. Nothing like night vision though. Super sensetive



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Old 10-28-2010, 03:12 PM   #35
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i work for a power company and have used the hi end ir cameras and they are awesome have thought the same about tracking deer. Nothing like night vision though. Super sensetive



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What power company do you work for?
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Old 10-28-2010, 05:13 PM   #36
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Doing a little digging on this and apparently FLIR offers an outdoor version already, waiting to hear back from our rep on price

http://www.flir.com/cvs/americas/en/...roducts/scout/
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Looks like it's going to be around $2500
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Old 10-28-2010, 05:19 PM   #38
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Looks like it's going to be around $2500
Yeah thats what it looks like, the cheapest model is the demo I have which is an I5( which is not a scout but for industrial use) and they are $1600, I need to find out what the differences are
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I've got the $19.00 oh wait a minute the decimal point is in the wrong place.
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Just a thought here, but the company I work for reps and sells Flir infrared cameras, mainly we sell them to power utilities companies and factories so they can tell if a transformer or other machine is overheating etc etc. I got to thinking, this would work for looking for a deer in some thick brush. Now it wouldn't work if the deer has been dead a long time and lost all of its body heat, but these cameras are pretty impressive and can find a heat source through some pretty thick stuff. I was thinking if you are running a high and ranch where people pay big bucks for a hunt having nice piece of equipment to help locate the animals might be worth it ( they are a little pricey, around $1900 for the hand held units) Im going to take one of our demos out this year and see just how good it works. Just a thought, anything to help hunter find their game.
Put one in your lunchbox next time you come to Victoria. I'll treat you to beer and wings for it.
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Old 10-28-2010, 08:14 PM   #41
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Look at the ones marketed to fire departments. Ultra rugged, you can actually stand on them and not hurt them, good batteries too. On the other hand....I think the Bullard camera we have was right at 20k and the MSA brand ones were about 12k.
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Old 10-28-2010, 11:46 PM   #42
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Emailed my friend about his.

He uses this one in his business.

http://www.tawada-ndt.com/content/pr...infra-main.htm



Said He gave $10K for it 4 years ago.

Even having seen it in action, I can't imagine forking over that kinda cash for a "hunting aid".
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Old 10-29-2010, 12:36 AM   #43
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get one before they are ruled illegal. (for hunting anything but pigs)

*Not acceptable for P & Y entries.....consult your local rep.
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Old 10-29-2010, 11:23 AM   #44
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Emailed my friend about his.

He uses this one in his business.

http://www.tawada-ndt.com/content/pr...infra-main.htm



Said He gave $10K for it 4 years ago.

Even having seen it in action, I can't imagine forking over that kinda cash for a "hunting aid".
Yeah they can get pretty $$$$$, this i5 is the demo I have that Im going to mess around with it runs $1595.00, still $$$$ but just curious to see how it does.

http://www.flir.com/thermography/ame...tent/?id=24076
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Old 10-29-2010, 11:36 AM   #45
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That is very cool. I would think that some of the high end outfits would have no problem spending $2500.00 to have that around the lodge.
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