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Old 07-06-2018, 09:40 PM   #51
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I was hoping those were in the same price range as the Hatsun bullpup guns I was looking at but guess I will need to keep saving. Is it just a better quality of parts for the more expensive guns? interested newbie here that is just going on fps numbers, and they are similar on these guns. I honestly thought they would be higher fps being charged versus the break barrel guns like my buddy got. I think his is supposed to be 12-1300. I will continue to read up on these since I have the bug now
A good way to find out a lot about these PCP guns and other air guns and how they operate as well as important characteristics about air guns in general is to get on You Tube and search for Teds Holdover... He has done a lot of videos on the whole science of air guns (Well that is unless You tube has taken down the gun videos lately)... In the early days Ted did a lot of nice how to and "why" videos on air guns... then because of his popularity on You tube, he got sponsors and his newer videos are little more than infomercials for his sponsors.
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Old 07-06-2018, 09:58 PM   #52
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If I was a right hand shooter, the Cricket would top my list. However, I'm a lefty. I still shoot the Cricket a lot, but I have to dismount the gun to work the cocking lever and when shooting, it is embedded into my cheek bone. After a while it becomes uncomfortable. the Vulcan is ambidextrous so I was able to set it up for left hand shooting. The .25 Cricket is also way heavier than the Vulcan. If you look at the pic of the 2 crickets (first pic in my post), the top gun is the .25. Originally, it had the same stock on it as the .22. I took a reciprocating saw, grinder and lots of sandpaper to the stock to lighten it up. I was able to take out 1.1 pounds of plastic out of that stock!! I used my soldering pen gun to stipple the hand grip and fore end. It actually came out pretty nice. Both the Cricket and Vulcan are accurate to the extreme, but the Cricket is tuned a little hotter (about 930 fps) than the Vulcan (895 fps) so the Cricket hits with a bit more punch and shoots a little flatter. If you know your range accurately though, you can shoot very accurately and consistently out to 100 yards with good ammo. ( I usually shoot JSB Kings 25.9 grain pellets)...
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Old 07-06-2018, 10:16 PM   #53
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Slick, I appreciate the rundown. I now know way more than I did about these guns.
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Old 07-06-2018, 10:27 PM   #54
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Mine is still in the classifieds if anybody wants to get in the PCP game cheaply
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Old 07-06-2018, 10:38 PM   #55
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What does PCP mean?
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Pre-charged pneumatics
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Old 08-16-2018, 07:25 PM   #57
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So what would be the ideal caliber for, say, squirrels, rabbits, and collared doves?
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Old 08-16-2018, 08:31 PM   #58
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I was hoping those were in the same price range as the Hatsun bullpup guns I was looking at but guess I will need to keep saving. Is it just a better quality of parts for the more expensive guns? interested newbie here that is just going on fps numbers, and they are similar on these guns. I honestly thought they would be higher fps being charged versus the break barrel guns like my buddy got. I think his is supposed to be 12-1300. I will continue to read up on these since I have the bug now
A spring gun shooting 1200 to 1300 fps, is shooting lighter pellets. I have been shooting air rifles since I was a kid, have owned all types of air rifles. Spring gun performances have gone up since I bought my last spring gun. At one point years ago, probably 15 to 20 years ago, the British were making double piston spring guns, that were pretty powerful, but heavy and I think pretty bulky. The British have put a lot of effort into air rifles, because it is near impossible to own a functioning fire arm on that **** island.

These precharged air rifles that are becoming so popular, are actually a reintroduction and modernized versions of air rifles from the 1600s through the 1800s. For a long time, the fastest way to get off multiple shots with a rifle, was to get a air rifle. From what I understand, very few people owned them, they seemed to be owned mainly by rich hunters. But also they were popular with poachers, for the purpose of poaching the kings deer, because they were quieter and could be fired much quicker than the black powder flint locks of the day. Even those old air rifles from 200 to 400 years ago, would easily kill deer and boar.

These new precharged air rifles, can be very accurate, quiet and powerful. The larger bore guns, such as the 357 to 45 caliber guns, can be quite powerful. There is a video of a guy shooting a pig probably around 180 lbs. or so, pretty quick kill. Then they show it in slow motion, the bullet passes clean through on a chest.

I plan on getting one of these new rifles, I figure somewhere around a 357 caliber, possibly one of the bigger bore guns. If I get one, it will be for the purpose of shooting hogs, since they are non game animals.
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Old 08-16-2018, 08:35 PM   #59
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So what would be the ideal caliber for, say, squirrels, rabbits, and collared doves?
177 or 22 caliber will work fine. It really does not take much to kill the critters you listed. Stepping up to one of the more powerful 25 caliber guns, would be a bit overkill, but would extend your range.
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177 or 22 caliber will work fine. It really does not take much to kill the critters you listed. Stepping up to one of the more powerful 25 caliber guns, would be a bit overkill, but would extend your range.
Noted. Thank you!!
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A spring gun shooting 1200 to 1300 fps, is shooting lighter pellets. I have been shooting air rifles since I was a kid, have owned all types of air rifles. Spring gun performances have gone up since I bought my last spring gun. At one point years ago, probably 15 to 20 years ago, the British were making double piston spring guns, that were pretty powerful, but heavy and I think pretty bulky. The British have put a lot of effort into air rifles, because it is near impossible to own a functioning fire arm on that **** island.



These precharged air rifles that are becoming so popular, are actually a reintroduction and modernized versions of air rifles from the 1600s through the 1800s. For a long time, the fastest way to get off multiple shots with a rifle, was to get a air rifle. From what I understand, very few people owned them, they seemed to be owned mainly by rich hunters. But also they were popular with poachers, for the purpose of poaching the kings deer, because they were quieter and could be fired much quicker than the black powder flint locks of the day. Even those old air rifles from 200 to 400 years ago, would easily kill deer and boar.



These new precharged air rifles, can be very accurate, quiet and powerful. The larger bore guns, such as the 357 to 45 caliber guns, can be quite powerful. There is a video of a guy shooting a pig probably around 180 lbs. or so, pretty quick kill. Then they show it in slow motion, the bullet passes clean through on a chest.



I plan on getting one of these new rifles, I figure somewhere around a 357 caliber, possibly one of the bigger bore guns. If I get one, it will be for the purpose of shooting hogs, since they are non game animals.


Thats some cool info. I had no idea they had air guns of sort back then


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177 or 22 caliber will work fine. It really does not take much to kill the critters you listed. Stepping up to one of the more powerful 25 caliber guns, would be a bit overkill, but would extend your range.
I have a different opinion than the above statement and it is based on experience and research of what others have discovered in actual field conditions. For a primary purpose hunting air rifle, a .177 should be limited to small rodents such as mice/rats, chipmunks, and similar size animals. Yes, a .177 cal. will kill squirrels and rabbits and such, but the kill recovery rate is much lower due to lack of damage of the round and minimal wound channel. For squirrel, rabbit, and even raccoon size animals, I'd recommend a .25 cal. minimum. If you care to do a bit of looking around, Ted's Holdover web site/You Tube channel has some excellent comparison videos of specifically squirrels being shot with a .22 vs. a .25 cal. and the difference is significant. A .177 cal. is even more dramatic. I have shot squirrels with all three calibers, and if you go out and try it yourself, you'll see the difference. A .25 is NOT overkill for this size quarry at all, and in fact as far as I am concerned, quite necessary.
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Thats some cool info. I had no idea they had air guns of sort back then

I'd suggest some reading for you of the Lewis and Clark expedition... They give credit to their PCP air rifle and being the difference between success and failure of their expedition. They were used to take all manner of game, and when demonstrated to the Native American Indians, allowed them to impress the "Indians" as being powerful people and worthy of respect, and even allowed for better trading values between them and the expedition... Makes for some fascinating reading.

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Old 08-17-2018, 12:24 PM   #63
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I am bit...have to do some research. What is the quietest 9mm cal that you would recommend for under $300 or is that even reasonable dollar amount?
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Old 08-17-2018, 12:34 PM   #64
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I am bit...have to do some research. What is the quietest 9mm cal that you would recommend for under $300 or is that even reasonable dollar amount?
Add another zero, then get you a Kalibrgun Cricket in 9mm. Get DonnyFL over on the Talon Tunes forum to get an LDC for it. It will be mouse-fart quiet and single hole accurate beyond 50 yards.
Link to Talon Tunes Forum: (disclaimer: That forum is wide open so language and subject matter sometimes gets pretty far off into the weeds away from "family friendly"). http://www.talonairgun.com/forum/index.php

Edit: Here's a link to show the details of the rifle: http://kalibrgun.ru/en/guns-catalogu...wood&kalibr=35

Talon Tunes will give you a good price for it.

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