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So my son and I LOVE Forged in Fire.

Its the only grown up show besides Gold Rush that he watches with me.

Last night we were catching up on the latest episode and he said, Dad, I want to make a knife with you.

Ok, I have a very big shop so room isn't an issue.

What are some of the very basic things I could pick up just to get started with him just to make some very simple blades?

I understand how a blade is made but what are the tools (cheap) that I can get by with. Home made forge idea?

Good place to find a used anvil?

I have some old Rasps at the G-parents place I could pick up.

Thanks all!!
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No help here but I love that show!
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Look up DIY waste oil forge.
Get a good belt grinder or
Get a good angle grinder.

Good luck on the anvil.

YouTube is your friend!
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My advice would be try a few using stock removal first. All you need are files, maybe a saw, drill, sandpaper and either a bag of charcoal or send it to harden. You reimburse me for the steel and shipping I'll send you a billet of 1084. I'll even include scales and pins.
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My advice would be try a few using stock removal first. All you need are files, maybe a saw, drill, sandpaper and either a bag of charcoal or send it to harden. You reimburse me for the steel and shipping I'll send you a billet of 1084. I'll even include scales and pins.
Good advice. A good starter grinder is the Craftsman 2x42 from Sears. Files and sandpaper will get you a long way. 1084 is the steel to start with, available from www.njsteelbaron.com

Another thing to do is join the Texas Knifemakers' Guild facebook group. We host knifemaking events around the state, and young ones are welcome.
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My advice would be try a few using stock removal first. All you need are files, maybe a saw, drill, sandpaper and either a bag of charcoal or send it to harden. You reimburse me for the steel and shipping I'll send you a billet of 1084. I'll even include scales and pins.
Awesome offer right there!!

I will PM you in a bit
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There ya go! Looks like you'll be having a great time together soon. A fellow knife maker, Allen Newberry will be on the show this week, check him out!
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I'll be shipping a knife and sheaths Monday to new owners, I'll put an extra Priority box in the mail.
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There ya go! Looks like you'll be having a great time together soon. A fellow knife maker, Allen Newberry will be on the show this week, check him out!
Sweet, we will root for him!!

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My name is Jared so my son was stoked and rooting for the Jared that just won this weeks. He did a little dance when he won. It was well deserved, he knocked that crazy freakin thing out of the park.
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Old 09-30-2016, 02:46 PM   #11
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You should check out _The $50 knife shop_ by Wayne Goddard.
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Old 09-30-2016, 02:47 PM   #12
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Here's a thread about an inexpensive two brick forge.
http://discussions.texasbowhunter.co...d.php?t=470698
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You can use a $40 1" X 30" belt sander from Harbor Freight. Get some 40 grit belts for doing the rough grind as well as a little profiling. You can sometimes find a decent bench top drill press at a pawn shop to drill holes in the tang. For drill bits, all I use is 1/8", , 3/32", and 1/4". You can use copper wire for pins, but some hardware stores and hobby shops have brass rods.
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You can use a $40 1" X 30" belt sander from Harbor Freight. Get some 40 grit belts for doing the rough grind as well as a little profiling. You can sometimes find a decent bench top drill press at a pawn shop to drill holes in the tang. For drill bits, all I use is 1/8", , 3/32", and 1/4". You can use copper wire for pins, but some hardware stores and hobby shops have brass rods.
Good call on the drills. Lowe's carries 3 ft rods of 1/8 and 3/16 brass.

FWIW, I went to a mastersmith's shop one time and he had five or six harbor freight drill presses. You don't need five of them, of course, but one might be a good idea.
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3/16" is what I meant to say; not 3/32".
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You could always do a paracord wrap if you don't want to drill holes or attach scales.
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Remember the two most common injuries occur when 1. drilling the blades and the drill press grabs the knife and spins it and 2. the biggest danger is the buffer. high speed buffers tend to grab and throw knives at high speeds

I would also highly recommend full face shields! GOOD LUCK!!!
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Thank you very much !!
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Like the others I would recommend stock removal blade and if youd like, send it to me and Ill heat treat it for you. A small belt sander would do for the majority of the metal removal and draw file/sandpaper the rest of the way
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More complex than you need at this point, but still some useful principles:
http://www.frycustomknives.com/tutor...ndle-knife-wip

This one's more basic, but less technically precise. I don't use superglue anymore for handle finishing, and I've gone to propane for forging.
http://www.frycustomknives.com/tutor...uild-a-knife-2
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All of the advise above is very good. Keep in mind also that as you start to make knives, you will develop or learn some things as you go. Don't be scared to try different techniques, but know that you may mess up a blade a little and have to "fix" it. Most little oooops's can be fixed so don't get discouraged and don't be afraid to ask for advise if you get stuck. You'd be amazed at the different tools people use to make knives. Like most on here, I started with the cheap Harbor Frieght 1x30 grinder. Made a bunch of knives with it too. If you see that you are going to keep doing it, you'll eventually upgrade to a good grinder.

Edit: I hope that didn't sound like I was hacking on anyone for how they do knives. Everyone on here is very helpful with different perspectives.

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TXHUNT3R, these will be in the mail Monday. 8.5 inches of 1084 5/32 thick, 1.5 inches wide. This is high carbon steel, not stainless.

Enough Lowes 3/16 brass rod for 2 or 3 pins, I'd recommend only using 2.

Two stabilized mesquite scales

Enough 6-7 oz veg tanned leather to make a basic sheath.

Couple small scraps of kydex, just for tinkering. In the long run, kydex is much easier, quicker, and just about mistake proof. I don't use it much, I have a hard time putting a piece of plastic on a knife.

Some of the best stuff I've seen on youtube is Walter Sorrells.

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This place is just amazing, I showed my wife this thread and she was blown away.

Razor please shoot me your email!!
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TXHUNT3R, these will be in the mail Monday. 8.5 inches of 1084 5/32 thick, 1.5 inches wide. This is high carbon steel, not stainless.

Enough Lowes 3/16 brass rod for 2 or 3 pins, I'd recommend only using 2.

Two stabilized mesquite scales

Enough 6-7 oz veg tanned leather to make a basic sheath.

Couple small scraps of kydex, just for tinkering. In the long run, kydex is much easier, quicker, and just about mistake proof. I don't use it much, I have a hard time putting a piece of plastic on a knife.

Some of the best stuff I've seen on youtube is Walter Sorrells.

Enjoy!
You are a really swell chap!

I second Walter Sorrells! Good stuff on his channel.
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I've been called a lot of things in my 52 years, but that's the first "chap".
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There was a follow along knife build thread on tbh a few years back,he went step by step through the whole process,very informative,can't remember who it was though
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Paintman, did you let your associate sponsorship expire?
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There was a follow along knife build thread on tbh a few years back,he went step by step through the whole process,very informative,can't remember who it was though
Ryan Minchew?

http://discussions.texasbowhunter.co...ad.php?t=38358
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Here's another good one by Nick Wheeler on bladeforums.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/sh...metal-with-you
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Good link, Sam. That Nick Wheeler is one of the most useful WIP on the web, ever. Many of the things I now do routinely came from that thread.
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http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/sh...metal-with-you
Holy crap, thank guy is awesome!!

Thanks for the link.

Looking forward to this project with my son!
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TXHUNT3R, you don't know what you are in for. Rewarding- yes, very much. Doing them for yourself, friends, family or donate, yes- very much.

Did I mention addicting? Make one, then you want to improve, 20 knives later- you still want to improve, 40 knives later- still improving. The knife is better than what you can buy at the box stores, but you cannot compete with their pricing. It's never ending.

Good luck, post pics, should be there mid week.

Take advantage of the offer to heat treat from CW, you should have enough small pieces from the blank if you want to try your own home forge treatment.

And- did I state it is addicting? Something made by you/son, of your own hands, that works and is better than the store brands, lasts a lifetime, memories.
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Yes sir,I barely even log on anymore,Def don't sell on tbh ever again
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I would also highly recommend full face shields! GOOD LUCK!!!


I don't make knives but this is sound advice.


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TXHUNT3R, you don't know what you are in for. Rewarding- yes, very much. Doing them for yourself, friends, family or donate, yes- very much.

Did I mention addicting? Make one, then you want to improve, 20 knives later- you still want to improve, 40 knives later- still improving. The knife is better than what you can buy at the box stores, but you cannot compete with their pricing. It's never ending.

Good luck, post pics, should be there mid week.

Take advantage of the offer to heat treat from CW, you should have enough small pieces from the blank if you want to try your own home forge treatment.

And- did I state it is addicting? Something made by you/son, of your own hands, that works and is better than the store brands, lasts a lifetime, memories.
Can't wait to give it a go!!

Was talking with my son about it as I was putting him to bed... He said he wants his to be crazy with points all over it... I said, well lets just start simple and go from there!!

I will post pics for sure!!
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Late to the party and not sure if it has been posted but this is the tutorial that was the most informative for me. It literally walks you through every step of making a knife by hand with the most detail. I still go back and reread it every now and then.

http://knifedogs.com/showthread.php?...e-kit-Tutorial

Remember safety first and wear respirators when grinding/sanding.



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Late to the party and not sure if it has been posted but this is the tutorial that was the most informative for me. It literally walks you through every step of making a knife by hand with the most detail. I still go back and reread it every now and then.

http://knifedogs.com/showthread.php?...e-kit-Tutorial

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Akey, I wish you'd post knives more. I used to love looking at your knives.
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Akey, I wish you'd post knives more. I used to love looking at your knives.


Slowwwwly getting back to it. Doing a lot of remodeling to my house. My garage is almost done and ready to be set up as my new shop/project cave.


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TXHUNT3R, these will be in the mail Monday. 8.5 inches of 1084 5/32 thick, 1.5 inches wide. This is high carbon steel, not stainless.

Enough Lowes 3/16 brass rod for 2 or 3 pins, I'd recommend only using 2.

Two stabilized mesquite scales

Enough 6-7 oz veg tanned leather to make a basic sheath.

Couple small scraps of kydex, just for tinkering. In the long run, kydex is much easier, quicker, and just about mistake proof. I don't use it much, I have a hard time putting a piece of plastic on a knife.

Some of the best stuff I've seen on youtube is Walter Sorrells.

Enjoy!

I got your package yesterday but I went hunting and by the time I got the hog cleaned and on ice, it was the kids bed time so we didn't get a chance to open it together.

I have a soccer game tonight and then when I get home, we are going to open it!!!

I want him to see his name and open it
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One more thang for safety first!! Cocobolo wood is toxic also called rosewood in other countries - only toxic when breathing the sawdust, titanium causes vanadium poisoning - Very Lethal! Working tigers eye = Asbestos poisoning, Quartz = silicosis, carbon fiber remains in your lungs for the rest of your days - body can't process it. stabilized products = resin poisoning, might be or get allergic to nickel. The biggest culprit here is particulate - most 2 stage respirators will protect you from ALL of these contaminents provided they are changed regularly. Here's the kicker though what really hurts you is particulate smaller than 3 micron - these particles remain in the 'shop' air for hours!! Open them doors up and let the air flow!! I do this in in 20 degree weather because I know what this **** will do to ya!!! Stay Sharp!!
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^^ oh wow, thanks!!
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Finally got around to opening the package with my son last night when I got home from my Soccer game!

I showed him it was addressed to him and he wanted to know who the sender was so I explained (he said Mr. Doug is a nice man) lol. As he opened it, he said "IT'S A FORGED IN FIRE KIT".

He was so excited and played with the contents for a good 20 mins before he was dragged to bed... lol

Thanks Doug, paypal-ing you here in a sec.

He also wondered when I would be picking up a grinder so we can get started!!! Can't wait!
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I highly recommend taking your son to Bellville for the day to visit with this fella. I hear that he is passionate about his work and loves to show the craft to others.

http://www.phenixknives.com/
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http://www.phenixknives.com/
Heck yeah, that is awesome.

I am going to contact him!

Thank you!
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Good stuff, he won't get anything out of school today!
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Cool thread!...hope you keep the DIY step-by-step pics coming of you and the boy working on it!!
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