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Old 04-10-2013, 01:43 PM   #201
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Old 04-10-2013, 04:15 PM   #202
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I am interested to see how your no-till planting goes, that is how I plan to do my whole property
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Old 04-10-2013, 04:30 PM   #203
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I mowed about half my oat / clover river plot and no tilled in soy beans and sorghum into the other half. Have got two good rains since and will be going to check them this weekend.

Got irrigation pipe repair supplies also; should be able to irrigate this plot most of the summer, river is running well.

Great thread and your plots look great.
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Old 05-02-2013, 03:46 PM   #204
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Well the experiment with the no till / throw and mow plots is underway. Overall its not that good with the soybeans and I/C peas. Germination was probably 40%. The Sorghum had much better germination. Right now it needs rain bad....I may end up replanting the whole thing....gonna wait a few more weeks and see if it a good soaking rain will help.

Some of the low spots in the plot look good but overall the peas/beans didn't do well.


The sorghum which has much smaller seed and is better suited to the mow/ throw/cultipack method.......is doing much better.


The oats has headed out and was starting to shade out the Durana clover.


So mowing was on the agenda...


Mowing frees up the clover and makes it tender for the deer.
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Old 05-02-2013, 05:20 PM   #205
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I see you got some of those beetles to. I plan on discing and planting oats in September where our peas/beans are now. Would it be a good idea to throw in some clover? or just straight oats?
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Old 05-02-2013, 06:24 PM   #206
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Yep I have some of those pesky bugs too. Clover/Oats or Clover/Cereal Rye are great fall combos! Its the best time to plant clover down here in Texas.

On that note I have done the throw/mow/pack method for oats, rye, and clover and it worked great....
much smaller seeds to work with.

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Old 05-03-2013, 07:20 AM   #207
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will you spray your spring plot at some point, septemberish i'm guessing, and prep for the fall plots?

you dont include any wheat in the fall plots?
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Old 05-03-2013, 07:58 AM   #209
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Yep right after labor day I'll spray and then plant just ahead of a good rain. I haven't planted wheat.....mainly elbon rye and oats in the mix.....no particular reason other than the deer here eat the crap out of it. Rye is fantastic for soil building too. I've got some chicory I'm gonna plant this fall as well.

We also hunt doves here and I'll shred the croton about mid august. I have hundreds and hundreds of whitewings here from time to time....I mean flocks of 300-400 in a bunch. When we kill them they are full of gum bumelia berries and croton.
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Old 05-22-2013, 04:33 PM   #210
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Jut got some screening seeds in.
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This stuff should get 10+ feet tall. I'm gonna wait to plant though until we get another chance of rain....we missed the rain yesterday.
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Old 05-25-2013, 04:39 PM   #211
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Its been 3 weeks since I've checked on my crops. We gotten some rain but nothing out of the storms this weekend.

Milo and corn is looking decent. Attachment 497117

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The beans and peas are getting browsed pretty good amongst the croton.
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The deer are absolutely hammering the durana ever since I mowed it. Over 500 pictures in 3 weeks.
You can see the nipped off ends.
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They are even bedding in it right in front of the camera. The does are about ready to pop.
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Old 05-25-2013, 09:27 PM   #212
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Another corn/milo pic...
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The corn/milo doesn't really add much protein to their diet but I hoped it would help protect the beans/peas. The jury is still out on that so far.

I'm very impressed with the Durana cover so far. The does are fattening up on it right now. I have maybe a quarter acre planted in durana but its doing great under the browse pressure.

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Old 05-25-2013, 11:32 PM   #213
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Lookin good man, clover looks great
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Old 05-26-2013, 09:24 PM   #214
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Some TC pics of the Durana clover field....

Bedding in it.....



Hungry preggo does...



Cat fight....



Pig problem....



Eating for two.....
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Old 05-29-2013, 09:05 AM   #215
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Looking good!
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Old 05-29-2013, 11:40 AM   #216
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great pics....i do not envy that pig problem.
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Old 05-29-2013, 12:05 PM   #217
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great pics....i do not envy that pig problem.
I know. My son loves 'em.....I hate 'em. He would rather shoot a hog than a big buck any day. Surprisingly they don't destroy the plots.

They are fun as heck to shoot though. KAP!
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Old 06-14-2013, 12:26 PM   #218
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Went to my place to water the Chinkapin Oaks and check the plots.

What a disappointment.......my neighbor left a fence gap open and the cattle just destroyed it. I mean everything......peas/beans/milo/corn. I am pi55ed right now.

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This field was lush with clover three weeks ago. Now it looks like I nuked it with gly.
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The chinkapins are doing well and the place has good fawn crop cover.
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Old 06-14-2013, 01:00 PM   #219
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wow man thats no good, i hate cows
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Old 06-14-2013, 01:15 PM   #220
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holy COW, kill all cows
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Old 06-14-2013, 02:44 PM   #221
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I hate 'em. KAC!!!

My neighbor is a heck of a good guy but I'm gonna lock that gap up tight. These food plots are too valuable and too hard to grow to let a friggin' cow eat it!
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The screen I planted for the plots is up but need some rain badly. Egyptian wheat is supposed to grow 9-12 feet tall.
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How about an update man? This is one of my favorite threads. I hope that plot is recovering from the cows.
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Old 07-22-2013, 09:25 PM   #224
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How about an update man? This is one of my favorite threads. I hope that plot is recovering from the cows.
Yeah man, I love this thread.

How's that "throw and grow" doing?
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Sorry about the lack of updates. Once the cows ate them it was toast. We had only .85" of rain in the last 5 weeks so everything is looking bad. The milo, peas, and corn never bounced back. The clover should green up once it gets rain and some cooler temps

I havent been out there in almost a month because of work and vacation.

I'm gonna start buying fall seed as soon as I can get some.....elbon rye, oats, more clover, radishes, and something new this year....kale. I have it in my garden and its very prolific and is hard to kill. I'm gonna try a pound of it for about 1/3 acre.

Overall the lesson I learned from no plow is that smaller seeds work best and fall is better than spring to do it.
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Old 07-25-2013, 08:39 AM   #226
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Hopefully the rain in the last couple of weeks has some stuff growing for you. How was the egyptian wheat working out last time you were out there? We've talked about yaupons and a bunch of other stuff for a screen at my friends place, but this appears that it would be an effective screen much faster.
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Old 07-25-2013, 09:03 AM   #227
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It E. Wheat was up and growing a month ago (maybe 10 inches tall) but I'm not sure it made it with lack or rain the last month. I'll check on it this weekend and post up some pics of everything.
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Old 07-25-2013, 11:53 AM   #228
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Man I hate cows. I love this thread and hate to see that they got into your plots. Hopefully, it will all look good this weekend!
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Old 07-28-2013, 06:51 PM   #229
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Went out and worked at my farm in the heat of the day....just brutal.

I poured almost 2 inches of rain out of the gauge from last week but it was far too late to save the plots from the previous month of no rain and cow destruction. The ground just soaked it up....you would never know it rained. My water hole is almost dry.

2 of my chinkapin oaks have survived out of 8. I just could not get out enough to keep them all watered. But I watered the survivors today.....





Down the tube....



The food plots are now dove plots...


Croton and tea weed everywhere...I kicked up alot of doves feeding in here this afternoon.

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So do you still have hopes that the clover will come back?
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Big Creek runs through my place on its way to Lake Somerville...but it has only had water running briefly for one day since last year.

Dry Big Creek


I got my feeder in the woods going so hopefully I'll soon see what bucks survived from last year. The deer have a bedding area close to this area (initial hinge cutting and never going into the thick stuff have kept the deer using it for the last 3 years).


I had some big dead bull mesquites so I broke out the husky.




I had several this size and ended up with about a half cord. I counted about 30 rings on the biggest mesquite.

This dead oak is next but couldn't get to it today.
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So do you still have hopes that the clover will come back?
I believe it will because it went to seed well before the cows got in. We will see how it turns out.
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Old 07-28-2013, 07:32 PM   #233
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Is that the Durana? Is that the clover you've been the most impressed with?
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Thanks for keeping this thread going. I have found it very informative. I am thinking of trying the East Texas Fall blend this year. I will probably add turnips to it also. I was also thinking of adding Durana clover.
Where do you get your Durana? I've heard that Poudre Feed in Colorado has it for $4.75/lb. I haven't checked to verify but I may give them a call.
I have found that oats, rye, turnips and clover make a very good blend. I plant in early September and it has something green from October to July of the following year.
Just don't put too much oats and rye in the blend. They will crowd out any other seeds in the blend.
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Is that the Durana? Is that the clover you've been the most impressed with?
Yes I planted it along with some crimson and red clover and it completely out competed all the others. It was doing great until June when the cows ate it. Its really a perennial (up north) that acts like a reseeding annual so you do have to plant it every year. In wet summers I bet it would last year round....even down here.

There are some others I would like to try as well....the Whitetail Institute White clover is supposed to be good as well.
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Thanks for keeping this thread going. I have found it very informative. I am thinking of trying the East Texas Fall blend this year. I will probably add turnips to it also. I was also thinking of adding Durana clover.
Where do you get your Durana? I've heard that Poudre Feed in Colorado has it for $4.75/lb. I haven't checked to verify but I may give them a call.
I have found that oats, rye, turnips and clover make a very good blend. I plant in early September and it has something green from October to July of the following year.
Just don't put too much oats and rye in the blend. They will crowd out any other seeds in the blend.
Hey Rockin'....I get my Durana from a local feed store but Home Depot has started carrying it. Its $40 for 5 pounds. Some of that is seed coat (inoculant) so you get about 3.5 pounds of actual clover seed....it will plant an acre.

I was gonna call Poudre Valley Coop and verify the price and shipping costs....but haven't yet.

I use a mix like that too and for me the radishes will dominate everything else so I will plant them light this year. Once I mowed the radishes down in the spring the oats and clover really take off.

I need to order my kale seed soon. I'm gonna plant it separate as a trial.

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Old 07-28-2013, 09:28 PM   #237
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THANKS for the update Steve!
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:03 PM   #238
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Unclefish,
When do you plant the East Texas Fall Blend? What did you pay for it last year? I called but they said it would not be available until mid August and they would not give me price until it was available.
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Yes I planted it along with some crimson and red clover and it completely out competed all the others. It was doing great until June when the cows ate it. Its really a perennial (up north) that acts like a reseeding annual so you do have to plant it every year. In wet summers I bet it would last year round....even down here.

There are some others I would like to try as well....the Whitetail Institute White clover is supposed to be good as well.

have you used any of the white institute or biologic stuff? i know its commercial but the guys i have seen that have planted have had great success, mostly in the midwest though. those companies have a huge budget to spend on research, they may not be all hype....
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When do you plant the East Texas Fall Blend? What did you pay for it last year? I called but they said it would not be available until mid August and they would not give me price until it was available.
I don't actually plant a premixed blend anymore...I mix my own. I buy radishes from Welter's, clover and oats from a local feed store, and Elbon Rye from Producers Coop in Bryan.

I plant in mid sept around a rain....sometimes its right after labor day if a good one is coming.

I hope to add another half acre at least this year.
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have you used any of the white institute or biologic stuff? i know its commercial but the guys i have seen that have planted have had great success, mostly in the midwest though. those companies have a huge budget to spend on research, they may not be all hype....
No I never have bought either one....but I'm going to buy some Whitetail Institute clover this year and compare it to the Durana. Durana gets really strong in its second year so this year will be interesting to see how/if it bounces back from the cattle and drought.

The WI clover gets great reviews from some good food plotters on QDMA so I'm looking forward to checking it out.

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how are those chestnuts coming? gonna have any for sale this fall?
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how are those chestnuts coming? gonna have any for sale this fall?
Man my chestnuts have taken a beating. They are very fickle in the first year. I have about 10 left out of six times that many. The ones I have are doing fair but I can't wait til fall to plant them. I'll update the other chestnut thread soon.
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Think he will make P&Y? I think he is borderline. I just checked the camera and had several nice younger bucks along with this guy.

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Old 08-05-2013, 11:09 AM   #246
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We are on cr424. I need you to come out and show me what im doing wrong when you have time.
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Old 08-05-2013, 09:44 PM   #248
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man he is a great looking buck, i like the mass! he will be close to 125 and still has a bit more to add.....congrats man, good luck with him
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Old 08-05-2013, 10:06 PM   #249
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We are on cr424. I need you to come out and show me what im doing wrong when you have time.
LOL....I don't know what the heck I'm doing most of the time.
I just like to tinker and try new stuff and see what happens.

Would love to come look at your place though.
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Old 08-05-2013, 10:12 PM   #250
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man he is a great looking buck, i like the mass! he will be close to 125 and still has a bit more to add.....congrats man, good luck with him
Thank you sir. I think this is him as a 2 year old but I'm not positive. He was a 9pt then too....same config. This pic was in 2011 and would now make him a 4 year old. He could be a new deer altogether though.

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