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texasforever · 11-11-2019, 10:42 PM

Is there any work around for the antler restrictions? I’ve had one buck showing up for a couple years now with a full rack on one side and a split spike on the other. Don’t really want him out breeding again this year and was wondering if there is sometime I could do.

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trophy8 · 11-11-2019, 10:47 PM

Culling doesn’t work

canny · 11-11-2019, 10:51 PM

Honestly it probably wouldn’t have an impact if he did live. So what if he breeds, the buck is not the only one that determines the outcome of the offspring. So one option is to let it live and not risk it. As far as I know there is no work around.

The other option is well... I’ll let you figure that one out.

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Black Ice · 11-11-2019, 10:52 PM

The law is in place to protect younger deer and that deer breading won’t make a difference.

Had this buck on my hit list last year and was expecting to have a double drop this year.

2017

2018

2019

I would have to go back and check my pics but pretty sure this deer is one of the older I’ve ever had on camera that I recognize from year to year.

No-Tox · 11-11-2019, 10:53 PM

If it has a full rack on one side and a split spike on the other, I doubt that is from genetics but from some kind of injury.

sideways · 11-11-2019, 11:03 PM

Dart him and castrate

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AntlerCollector · 11-11-2019, 11:11 PM

MLD is a way around it

jshouse · 11-11-2019, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by No-Tox

If it has a full rack on one side and a split spike on the other, I doubt that is from genetics but from some kind of injury.

Agree. If his full side looks good I'd judge him off of that.

JeffK · 11-11-2019, 11:14 PM

Just let him go and enjoy being able to watch a mature deer. Most likely broke out his scull cap when shedding

barnett77859 · 11-12-2019, 06:41 AM

he will just add enjoyment to your hunts watch him and see what he becomes next year

Low Fence · 11-12-2019, 07:29 AM

You can get mld 3

You can do what you want and not put on Facebook

How many doe is he breeding?

coker737 · 11-12-2019, 07:35 AM

Cull him out. What could happen?

texasforever · 11-12-2019, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Low Fence

You can get mld 3

You can do what you want and not put on Facebook

How many doe is he breeding?

Atleast two that I’ve watched so far, he hasn’t looked injured for the past couple years that I could see just wondering if there was anything else I could do

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Throwin Darts · 11-12-2019, 07:45 AM

Him breeding isn’t going to change a thing with your herd so stop sweating it.

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texasforever · 11-12-2019, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Throwin Darts

Him breeding isn’t going to change a thing with your herd so stop sweating it.

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Guess it’s trust the green screen time. Preciate it y’all

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Russ81 · 11-12-2019, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by AntlerCollector

MLD is a way around it

Only way around it, it takes time but it’s worth it.

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Russ81 · 11-12-2019, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by texasforever

Guess it’s trust the green screen time. Preciate it y’all

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There’s been studies that show older bucks aren’t your main breeders. Us older, fatter males like to put other older, fatter males on a pedestal but in the real world those dang teenagers AKA the 2-3 year old bucks are the ones getting the busiest.

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WBA2000 · 11-12-2019, 08:02 AM

If he’s over 13” let someone take him out for you. If not 13” see what he does next year.

WCB · 11-12-2019, 08:13 AM

No

Smart · 11-12-2019, 08:18 AM

Hopefully he breeds with a doe who throw bucks with a good side on the other side of its head. They match up and voila.. a monster

dgilbert · 11-12-2019, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by texasforever

Guess it’s trust the green screen time. Preciate it y’all

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Shoot'em and then call the GW, he will understand.

WBA2000 · 11-12-2019, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by texasforever

Is there any work around for the antler restrictions? I’ve had one buck showing up for a couple years now with a full rack on one side and a split spike on the other. Don’t really want him out breeding again this year and was wondering if there is sometime I could do.

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How wide is he?

Deerguy · 11-12-2019, 09:22 AM

Just about all of the cases you describe are the result of pedicle damage. When the platform that the antler grows from becomes damaged, the antler will never grow right again. This usually happens from fighting, a run-in with a car, or from a shedding event where a piece of the pedicle actually comes off with the antler (which many times results in a brain abscess and death, although apparently not in your case). As mentioned above, judge the deer by his good side, there is nothing wrong with him genetically. Also, as others have mentioned above, the ability to alter the genetic capability of the deer herd through selective harvest is doubtful at best.

toledo · 11-12-2019, 09:33 AM

https://www.qdma.com/spike-one-side-genetics-injury/

https://www.qdma.com/pumba-yet-anoth...ck-that-wasnt/

Snowflake Killa · 11-12-2019, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by texasforever

Atleast two that I’ve watched so far, he hasn’t looked injured for the past couple years that I could see just wondering if there was anything else I could do

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Wow you watched him breed 2 does you should go buy a Lotto ticket.

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bowmansdad · 11-12-2019, 12:17 PM

No way he’s 13” this year and the game warden won’t understand if you kill him. He’s a stud based on his prior years, let him breed and pass on his genes!

texasforever · 11-12-2019, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bowmansdad

No way he’s 13” this year and the game warden won’t understand if you kill him. He’s a stud based on his prior years, let him breed and pass on his genes!

If he had a full rack he would be a nice deer but his left side has been a spike with almost a 3 inch split every year so far

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TxSon1836 · 11-12-2019, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AntlerCollector

MLD is a way around it

not to sound like a moron and will gladly accept any hazing (no snowflake here lol) what does MLD mean?

texasforever · 11-12-2019, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TxSon1836

not to sound like a moron and will gladly accept any hazing (no snowflake here lol) what does MLD mean?

Managed lands deer program, mainly for larger ranches or an area with a high populous of deer

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TxSon1836 · 11-12-2019, 12:26 PM

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Managed lands deer program, mainly for larger ranches or an area with a high populous of deer

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thanks

AntlerCollector · 11-12-2019, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TxSon1836

not to sound like a moron and will gladly accept any hazing (no snowflake here lol) what does MLD mean?

It's a great question by the way.

Drycreek3189 · 11-12-2019, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by texasforever

Is there any work around for the antler restrictions? I’ve had one buck showing up for a couple years now with a full rack on one side and a split spike on the other. Don’t really want him out breeding again this year and was wondering if there is sometime I could do.

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Year before last I had the same question in my mind. Same antler configuration, four on one side, goofy looking fork on the other. Sent a pic to the warden and he said no. Obviously a mature buck, five or older.

texasforever · 11-12-2019, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Drycreek3189

Year before last I had the same question in my mind. Same antler configuration, four on one side, goofy looking fork on the other. Sent a pic to the warden and he said no. Obviously a mature buck, five or older.

Good to know, he’s a big bodied old buck. If one side matched the other he would easily be 20” wide and a 12 but such is luck I guess

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Snowflake Killa · 11-12-2019, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AntlerCollector

It's a great question by the way.

This is what Michael was talking about

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bowmansdad · 11-12-2019, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by texasforever

If he had a full rack he would be a nice deer but his left side has been a spike with almost a 3 inch split every year so far

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Sorry, I mistook Black Ice’s pics for your deer. It sucks for sure, I hunt in a AR county also and have a 4yo that is wide on the right and his left barely curves at all leaving him in that maybe range. Too close for me to shoot him.

Big pig · 11-12-2019, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by No-Tox

If it has a full rack on one side and a split spike on the other, I doubt that is from genetics but from some kind of injury.

+1

Big pig

sharkhunter · 11-12-2019, 10:00 PM

Apparently if you shoot an undersized deer the warden cuts the deers head off and takes it! Gives your kid a shed antler and let’s you keep the meat lol ! Funny how the law is sometimes lol !

JeffK · 11-12-2019, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by texasforever

Good to know, he’s a big bodied old buck. If one side matched the other he would easily be 20” wide and a 12 but such is luck I guess

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Well if he had a full rack, he would probably be dead two years ago. Just enjoy being able to watch a mature deer and seeing what a deer can do in the area with age (his good side).

11-11-2019, 10:42 PM	#1
texasforever Eight Point Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: wharton Hunt In: lavaca co.	AR restriction question Is there any work around for the antler restrictions? I’ve had one buck showing up for a couple years now with a full rack on one side and a split spike on the other. Don’t really want him out breeding again this year and was wondering if there is sometime I could do. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

11-11-2019, 10:52 PM	#4
Black Ice Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Baton Rouge Hunt In: Jefferson & Brooks County	AR restriction question The law is in place to protect younger deer and that deer breading won’t make a difference. Had this buck on my hit list last year and was expecting to have a double drop this year. 2017 2018 2019 I would have to go back and check my pics but pretty sure this deer is one of the older I’ve ever had on camera that I recognize from year to year. Last edited by Black Ice; 11-11-2019 at 11:03 PM.

11-12-2019, 07:35 AM	#12
coker737 Ten Point Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Grapevine, Texas Hunt In: My KB Ranch. Rocksprings, TX	Cull him out. What could happen? Attached Images

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11-11-2019, 10:47 PM	#2
trophy8 Pope & Young Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Georgetown Texas	Culling doesn’t work

11-11-2019, 10:51 PM	#3
canny Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lufkin Hunt In: Houston & Zavalla	Honestly it probably wouldn’t have an impact if he did live. So what if he breeds, the buck is not the only one that determines the outcome of the offspring. So one option is to let it live and not risk it. As far as I know there is no work around. The other option is well... I’ll let you figure that one out. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

11-11-2019, 10:53 PM	#5
No-Tox Eight Point Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Rockwall County Hunt In: Ellis County	If it has a full rack on one side and a split spike on the other, I doubt that is from genetics but from some kind of injury.

11-11-2019, 11:03 PM	#6
sideways Ten Point Join Date: Nov 2009	Dart him and castrate Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

11-11-2019, 11:11 PM	#7
AntlerCollector Pope & Young Join Date: Apr 2014 Hunt In: Votaw, Hardin/Polk Co., TX. Bon Weir, Newton Co., El Dorado, Schleicher Co., TX.	MLD is a way around it

11-11-2019, 11:14 PM	#9
JeffK Ten Point Join Date: Nov 2013	Just let him go and enjoy being able to watch a mature deer. Most likely broke out his scull cap when shedding

11-12-2019, 06:41 AM	#10
barnett77859 Ten Point Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Elliott Hunt In: Elliott	he will just add enjoyment to your hunts watch him and see what he becomes next year

11-12-2019, 07:29 AM	#11
Low Fence Pope & Young Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Quitman, Tx.	You can get mld 3 You can do what you want and not put on Facebook How many doe is he breeding?

11-12-2019, 07:45 AM	#14
Throwin Darts Pope & Young Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Aledo	Him breeding isn’t going to change a thing with your herd so stop sweating it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

11-12-2019, 08:02 AM	#18
WBA2000 Ten Point Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Pleasanton Hunt In: Atascosa and anywhere else I can.	If he’s over 13” let someone take him out for you. If not 13” see what he does next year.

11-12-2019, 08:13 AM	#19
WCB Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dallas Hunt In: Wise/Montague/Grayson	No

11-12-2019, 08:18 AM	#20
Smart Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Denton, TX Hunt In: Tom Green County	Hopefully he breeds with a doe who throw bucks with a good side on the other side of its head. They match up and voila.. a monster

11-12-2019, 09:22 AM	#23
Deerguy Eight Point Join Date: Oct 2014	Just about all of the cases you describe are the result of pedicle damage. When the platform that the antler grows from becomes damaged, the antler will never grow right again. This usually happens from fighting, a run-in with a car, or from a shedding event where a piece of the pedicle actually comes off with the antler (which many times results in a brain abscess and death, although apparently not in your case). As mentioned above, judge the deer by his good side, there is nothing wrong with him genetically. Also, as others have mentioned above, the ability to alter the genetic capability of the deer herd through selective harvest is doubtful at best.

11-12-2019, 09:33 AM	#24
toledo Eight Point Join Date: May 2010 Location: College Station Hunt In: the road by your lease	https://www.qdma.com/spike-one-side-genetics-injury/ https://www.qdma.com/pumba-yet-anoth...ck-that-wasnt/

11-12-2019, 12:17 PM	#26
bowmansdad Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Baytown, Texas	No way he’s 13” this year and the game warden won’t understand if you kill him. He’s a stud based on his prior years, let him breed and pass on his genes!

11-12-2019, 10:00 PM	#37
sharkhunter Pope & Young Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Tarkington , TX Hunt In: In the woods	Apparently if you shoot an undersized deer the warden cuts the deers head off and takes it! Gives your kid a shed antler and let’s you keep the meat lol ! Funny how the law is sometimes lol !