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Old 11-07-2019, 03:33 PM   #1
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I shot my first buck with a recurve this year and got a complete pass through with a bow that's 45 pounds at my 30" DL. Arrow even stuck into the ground pretty good. My arrow weight is 595 grains. I've always shot heavy arrows, even when using a compound, and always got a complete pass throughs. My favorite broad head with a compound was Rage with the largest cutting diameter available.

Have seen a lot of videos on social media lately of deer being shot 30 yards and in that are not getting a pass through. To those who are not consistently getting a complete pass through with a compound, how light of an arrow are you shooting, and why?

I'm mainly making this post as a PSA to those starting out to hopefully steer away from the darkness that is speed and to bring them to the light that is momentum.

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Old 11-07-2019, 03:37 PM   #2
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I shoot 60lb with a 384gr arrow, Spitfire 1 3/4 cut - 3 blade broadheads, never not had a pass though

Don't now what those guys on TV are doing...…...
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Old 11-07-2019, 03:39 PM   #3
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Adult Arrows FTW
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I was shooting arrows with a total weight of 396 out of my 70# compound. Rage Trypan. I had 7 pass thru’s in a row. Switched this year to the GT Kinetic Pierce with a total arrow weight of 498. Same Trypan broadheads. One aoudad ram and one whitetail buck killed with the heavier setup. Neither were pass thru’s. Go figure. My trad arrows are 635 total weight. Pass thru almost every time except for the one i spined.
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lol, my new arrow setup is 660 gr out of my D350 set at 30" draw and 72#'s. Hammers for sure!
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You are going to make speed gurus heads explode if you keep using logic in your conversations....
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I'm right at 550 out of a 63# bowtech rpm360 at 27.5". The efficiency of the cams making it a "speed bow" allow me to go with a heavier arrow and still get decent speeds. Best of both worlds.

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After getting very little penetration on a shoulder shot buck shooting 380 grain arrows, I switched to 520 grain arrows. Bow is quieter and they hit much, much harder. Win win.
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60# 28” 385gr ... shoots through 99% deer and 80% hogs. Weight on hog and deer is waaayyy over rated. But if it makes you more confident. By all means
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60# 28” 385gr ... shoots through 99% deer and 80% hogs. Weight on hog and deer is waaayyy over rated. But if it makes you more confident. By all means
100% pass throughs isn't waaayyy over rated.
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Old 11-07-2019, 04:23 PM   #11
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Sub'd. I hope this gets some traction. Respectfully
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I had a 385 gr arrow last year and only had a pass thru on three animals all the others didn't. Years prior to this I shot a EFOC 490 gr. arrow with a Fixed Blade broadhead and I was able to bust thru deer or pig shoulders. This year I'm using EFOC 450 Gr. arrows with a fixed blade broad head and I have shot 6 animals so far all pass thrus and through shoulder blades. Some of the shots have been quartering towards shot where I place the pin right on the shoulder. I am a firm believer in heavy arrows with EFOC. I want a heavy arrow to help me on marginal shots that touch bone or even those less then perfect slightly quartering toward shots.
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100% pass throughs isn't waaayyy over rated.
Never lost a single animal in my hunting due to my arrow being too light. I can shoot one in the panch and get a 100% pass through...but that’s waaayyy over rated

I’ll take dead and recovered over pass through and I still get more pass through than not.
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Never lost a single animal in my hunting due to my arrow being too light. I can shoot one in the panch and get a 100% pass through...but that’s waaayyy over rated

I’ll take dead and recovered over pass through and I still get more pass through than not.
How many of those animals killed were shot 40 yards or over?
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All this being said what weight would you get your kiddo shooting 50 lbs at 23” draw ?
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Im shooting 540 grains @ 70lb draw weight.
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460gr total weight, 72lbs @ 32" draw.. 95% total pass through on many, many animals...
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All this being said what weight would you get your kiddo shooting 50 lbs at 23” draw ?
400 grains at least
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How many of those animals killed were shot 40 yards or over?
Farthest hog 65
Farthest deer 35 and rarely can I see that far
Probably 30+

I can kill a whitetail deer with a hand thrown rock. They are a glorified goat. That’s it. A BIG one is 14” hide to hide


I’m not saying your way or anyone’s way is wrong. More than one way to skin a cat. I just get put off at the almost “excuse “ of failure on “it was my ________ fault”

Heavy arrows are great, I just feel and have shown it’s not near the factor people make it.
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29"draw, 70#'s at 595 grains, 19%+ FOC, they work!
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I have killed deer and hogs along with other critters back in the day when we were shooting overdraws with extremely light arrow and BH's that were near as complicated or well built as some today and they still worked.

Tuned bow, tuned arrow, super sharp BH and CORRECT SHOT PLACEMENT are the keys to killing an animal quick! My longest kill was 91 yards on a NM antelope and my closest was 4 yards on a 3x3 elk. They are all dead and died within sight.

Lots of things you can do to get quieter bows on the shot, better and more forgiving on the shot, but I do like the heavy arrow with plenty of FOC, but to each his own.
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So several months back, I reached into my archery box and pull out 2 100 grain field points. I hold them separately and then together to feel the weight........and think to myself is this little extra and a calculator really what everybody is OCDing about?....




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I had a 385 gr arrow last year and only had a pass thru on three animals all the others didn't. Years prior to this I shot a EFOC 490 gr. arrow with a Fixed Blade broadhead and I was able to bust thru deer or pig shoulders. This year I'm using EFOC 450 Gr. arrows with a fixed blade broad head and I have shot 6 animals so far all pass thrus and through shoulder blades. Some of the shots have been quartering towards shot where I place the pin right on the shoulder. I am a firm believer in heavy arrows with EFOC. I want a heavy arrow to help me on marginal shots that touch bone or even those less then perfect slightly quartering toward shots.
What's your setup, assuming from your pic your shooting a compound? If that's correct I'd love to know how you got those arrow specs.
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Speed isn't the issue for me---I shoot heavy arrows because of the effect they have on bow noise--
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So I several months back, I reached into my archery box and pull out 2 100 grain field points. I hold them separately and then together to feel the weight........and think to myself is this little extra and a calculator really what everybody is OCDing about?....
I can run math until my head hurts and make a seemingly BIG number difference..... in the real world means little.

I know women who kill Kansas bucks yearly at 40# 320gr with 85gr Bh.... pass through every time. It’s like a bumble bee... I guess he doesn’t know he’s not scientifically able to fly
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At what point does too much mass become a problem?

A 500 grain arrow at 275 fps has the same momentum as a 5000 grain arrow at 27.5 frs.
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Farthest hog 65
Farthest deer 35 and rarely can I see that far
Probably 30+

I can kill a whitetail deer with a hand thrown rock. They are a glorified goat. That’s it. A BIG one is 14” hide to hide


I’m not saying your way or anyone’s way is wrong. More than one way to skin a cat. I just get put off at the almost “excuse “ of failure on “it was my ________ fault”

Heavy arrows are great, I just feel and have shown it’s not near the factor people make it.
The main benefit of shooting lighter faster arrows doesn't really come into play until after 40 yards. If the majority of shots are under that, why not improve success on marginal shots by getting more penetration?
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I have been slinging 320 total grain arrows through deers vitals like butter with 55lbs of draw weight and 27" draw length for a long time. I need the light arrow for more speed with my short draw length and preffered lower poundage bow setting.

I choose the same setup on my rifle as well - (25.06)
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I shoot un-cut arrows at 32” draw length, 100 grain broadheads...I only see full pass throughs

I shot a 175+ sow at Hagerman last week & my Rage went though both shoulders
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The main benefit of shooting lighter faster arrows doesn't really come into play until after 40 yards. If the majority of shots are under that, why not improve success on marginal shots by getting more penetration?
I choose to be as successful as I can by not taking marginal shots to begin with. If I can’t get into my comfortable kill range... then that animal has beat me anyway. And I’m comfortable at 40 in situations
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So several months back, I reached into my archery box and pull out 2 100 grain field points. I hold them separately and then together to feel the weight........and think to myself is this little extra and a calculator really what everybody is OCDing about?....




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Sorry for starting an archery discussion on a bow hunting forum.

idk why this post was deleted?
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I choose to be as successful as I can by not taking marginal shots to begin with. If I can’t get into my comfortable kill range... then that animal has beat me anyway. And I’m comfortable at 40 in situations
Forgive me, I meant marginal hits.

I agree if you take a quartering too shot, and there is very little penetration, it's your own **** fault.
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Sorry for starting an archery discussion on a bow hunting forum.

idk why this post was deleted?



What? You lost me on the deletion talk.


No reason to get butthurt because folks don't agree with you...you shot out an opinion and folks have other opinions. It's called a discussion.

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What? You lost me on the deletion talk.


No reason to get butthurt because folks don't agree with you...you shot out an opinion and folks have other opinions. It's called a discussion.
Its my opinion that heavier arrows will leave the venison with a bitter flavor.
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Your input was this discussion doesn't matter.

Your title is misleading.....your opinion is that heavy arrows are the ONLY way to go. My opinion was the weight difference is minimal in the grand scheme of things so both can be successful with passthroughs and are.. Maybe this internet thing isn't for you.


BTW...I'm pretty neutral on the idea. I guess that's why I am at 425. Used to shoot 347 and had more passthroughs than not. That being said I'm not anti heavy arrow at all.

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its my opinion that heavier arrows will leave the venison with a bitter flavor.



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I am shooting 30" arrows with 428 grns and 12.7% FOC out of a 29" 70# Halon. Here is my experience with the last 2 deer. Same exact set up for each deer.

1. Huge Oklahoma bodied buck at 30 yds. Broadside shot, hit behind front shoulder Double lung. Complete pass through and then some, no issues.

2. Small hill country buck at 28 yds. Hit a little high and forward, through both shoulders, but did not contact bone or shoulder blade. Arrow did penetrate both sides, but did not pass through.

I am thinking of adding 50 grns to my total arrow upfront, but am hesitant because this set up is flying extremely well for me, and I don't want to mess up a good thing. Should I add the extra weight, or is this setup good to go? For reference, I currently shoot Easton HEXX 330 shafts with 50gr insert and 100gr heads. I am thinking of adding additional 25gr. inserts and using 125gr. heads. 2nd question, would that set up have me underspined?
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Am I the only one who has no idea what his arrow weighs? lol I've been shooting the same arrows sense I was a kid. Not a clue what they weigh, but it works for me!
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Your title is misleading.....your opinion is that heavy arrows are the ONLY way to go. My opinion was the weight difference is minimal in the grand scheme of things so both can be successful with passthroughs and are.. Maybe this internet thing isn't for you.


BTW...I'm pretty neutral on the idea. I guess that's why I am at 425. Used to shoot 347 and had more passthroughs than not. That being said I'm not anti heavy arrow at all.
Misleading? So lighter arrow equal more pass through?

Post #28 I put the benefits of a lighter faster arrow.

ONLY way to go? Thought I've been supporting my opinion on this topic, not telling people they're wrong?

Internet thing isn't for me? C'mon Boomer.
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Its my opinion that heavier arrows will leave the venison with a bitter flavor.
Because it goes through so slow the fletching glue contacts the meat too long. I read about it... in a book
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Misleading? So lighter arrow equal more pass through?



Post #28 I put the benefits of a lighter faster arrow.



ONLY way to go? Thought I've been supporting my opinion on this topic, not telling people they're wrong?



Internet thing isn't for me? C'mon Boomer.

Lmao at Boomer. My parents are boomers windowlicker.
Nobody said anything about more passthroughs. Read your title.

You initial post suggested your “only way to go”ideal. Especially the last sentence . Folks suggest otherwise and you start apologizing about posting on a bowhunting forum. Time to head back to your safe space..
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Ease up, gents. No sense trying to one up each other with potentially infraction-worthy insults.
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I am thinking of adding 50 grns to my total arrow upfront, but am hesitant because this set up is flying extremely well for me, and I don't want to mess up a good thing. Should I add the extra weight, or is this setup good to go? For reference, I currently shoot Easton HEXX 330 shafts with 50gr insert and 100gr heads. I am thinking of adding additional 25gr. inserts and using 125gr. heads. 2nd question, would that set up have me underspined?

Some will tell you that 50 grains won't matter because they can't feel the difference in their hand, but that much more weight up front will require you to jump up to a stiffer spine. I shot a 30" arrow out of my #70 Elite Ritual and before I switched to Trad I was shooting .260 spine Hexxs with the 75 grain insert with 125 grain heads and 4 AAE max stealth vanes and they flew great.

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I have been slinging 320 total grain arrows through deers vitals like butter with 55lbs of draw weight and 27" draw length for a long time. I need the light arrow for more speed with my short draw length and preffered lower poundage bow setting.

I choose the same setup on my rifle as well - (25.06)


My compound is 55# at my 29” draw. I shoot 450gr arrows at 250fps, with 1.5” wide German Kinetic broadheads, and have passed thru everything I’ve shot with it!!!!

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