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    The importance of quality Brass

    Yep, this is a rant.......sorta Only because it seems like we find it being the most common culprit right behind optics failure when trying to diagnose accuracy issues. I don't think a lot of folks realize just how important good brass is in the overall accuracy equation. It's every bit as important as the bullet in the long range game. Maybe more so.

    I've seen guys obsess over individual weighed charges, seating depths and case trim lengths measured down to the nearest .001 and swearing off anything less than a bench rest primer, only to find mixed headstamps throughout their ammo box? I've also seen many folks who spend a ton of money on high end custom builds in search of the ultimate level of accuracy. These same folks feed that same rig a steady diet of Rem or Win brass because it was the cheapest available at the time. Some even weight sort them

    I'm not saying there's anything wrong with this approach, and if it works for them.....great! But there is a lot of performance being left on the table. Kind of like running a race car on 87 octane. If the goal is sub MOA at 100 yards, pretty much any brass in a decent rifle will accomplish that goal. If you are wanting sub MOA at 500, 700, 1K, that bulk Remchester is probably gonna let you down.

    It's not that the brass itself is always "bad", though some of it certainly is. It's that it's inconsistent at best. Which undermines all other attempts at building accurate loads. To be sure, you'll come across a really good lot from time to time, but you can almost bet it won't be the same on the next lot you buy 2 years down the road.

    Some folks try to mitigate this issue by buying twice what they need and weight sorting it knowing they will have a high cull rate, but still come out cheaper than buying higher quality brass from the start. Some even sort them into "categories" and adjust charge weight to accommodate them. This strategy can help somewhat, but dodges the real issue...... CASE CAPACITY.

    Unfortunately, weight sorting does not really address this issue. It seems like it would, and should to some degree......but it can also lie to you.

    I just ran a capacity test on some 300WM cases from Norma and Winchester - 10 of each. The results were eye opening. The Norma had a 5.7 grain spread among the dry cases, which would have looked pretty bad to a guy weight sorting them. Remarkably, they only had a .3 grain difference in water volume The Winchester on the other hand had only a 4.8 grain difference between dry cases, but a 1.7 grain difference in water capacity

    If you've made it through my ramblings this far, you either just said no #$&% Sherlock, or picked up on the real issue at hand and how it throws a wrench into the whole works. Since the precision of your carefully weighed powder charge is only as precise as the volume of the vessel that contains it, which brand of brass is likely to produce the most accurate results with ANY powder, bullet, primer combo? Even with the most precise and careful powder measurement you could possibly drop in the case, using the Winchester I measured would have the same effect as dropping random powder charges over an almost 2 grain spread and still expecting consistent results.

    Would you see these effects in typical 100 yard testing? Probably not much. 200 yards? Yeah, somethings not right here. 300 yards? WTH, this thing was shooting good last time I had it out! 400 yards? I think somethings wrong with this scope. 500 yards? Did you torque these action screws? 1K yards?HaHa

    Seriously though, it is an often overlooked component of the bigger picture when it comes to getting the most out of your rig. It's one issue I see a lot and one I was guilty of for a long time myself. Now I'm to the point I won't even build a rifle that I can't source quality brass for. And for sure, not ALL expensive brass is "quality" brass. Rant officially over

    I feel like I might go an another rant about neck tension in the near future.

    Robert
    Alamo Precision Rifles

    #2
    Great read! I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on neck tension!

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      #3
      Good read and I must agree with the premium brass part. It's like building a house or painting a car, all about the foundation.

      I'd like to hear more about the neck tension as well.

      The other thing I believe a lot of people don't consider is the quality of their dies and press. I have a Redding press with premium Redding dies but have been considering upgrading to a Forster press. Not to derail but any thoughts on this?

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        #4
        Great points!! I was working up a load for my son's 270 the other day. I had inconsistent results and had not weight checked the Nosler brass I was using. The brass had been previously fired. I found about 20% of the brass was quite a bit heavier than the rest. I then remembered that a few years ago I had put in some Nosler brass from some Nosler factory rounds in this bag. Those were the heavy ones. I have sorted them out and am getting set to repeat the test.

        I'm going to run a capacity test on some and see what I come up with.

        I'd also like to hear what you have to say on neck tension as well as your thoughts on reloading from new brass through 7 or 8 loadings.

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          #5
          Just build guns that you can buy Lapua brass for (or form Lapua brass to). Problem solved...

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            #6
            I think that it was Rifle Magazine that did some experimenting with brass a couple of years ago. Their conclusion: brass has the least effect of any reloading component with regard to accuracy. That being said, I stick with one manufacturer for precision rifle ammo.

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              #7
              Originally posted by ultrastealth View Post
              I think that it was Rifle Magazine that did some experimenting with brass a couple of years ago. Their conclusion: brass has the least effect of any reloading component with regard to accuracy. That being said, I stick with one manufacturer for precision rifle ammo.
              They were wrong.


              Consistency is key to long range. As Robert said, you can buy a ton. Cull heavily. Spend a lot of time prepping the cases and do ok. Or you can buy Lapua or Norma and prep once and done. It makes a HUGE different. Case wall consistency. Neck consistency which affects neck tension (will be a big factor in ES and SD) flash hole burrs will affect ignition consistency. Neck burs affect the tension and can damage the bullet on occasion. Primer pockets help control ignition as well. Obviously case capacity as he showed is going to change pressure which will change velocity. When your ES and SD go up you're very likely to lose accuracy.

              Rant on OP!! Haha.

              Next rant about building a $3500 rifle and putting a $500 optic on it?

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                #8
                Originally posted by kck View Post
                Just build guns that you can buy Lapua brass for (or form Lapua brass to). Problem solved...
                winner, winner, chicken dinner

                if chasing accuracy or a 1-hole group, it's hard to beat this proven combination

                other components will work; however, this is what I build my custom rifles and cartridges around

                ps - neck tension definitely affects accuracy



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                  #9
                  I have a question that ties in directly with this. No matter the correct answer, it's food for thought...

                  Do military snipers that held past / hold current records for long range kills load their own ammo for use on an actual mission?

                  All the best,
                  Glenn

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                    #10
                    great read

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                      #11
                      The importance of quality Brass

                      Great rant Robert!

                      Makes me question the order of Nosler brass I'm waiting to come in....

                      I do want to hear more on neck tension and your recent experience with annealing after every loading.
                      Last edited by bboswell; 08-02-2017, 10:24 AM.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by cajuntec View Post
                        I have a question that ties in directly with this. No matter the correct answer, it's food for thought...

                        Do military snipers that held past / hold current records for long range kills load their own ammo for use on an actual mission?

                        All the best,
                        Glenn
                        I'm pretty sure I remember in Chris Kyle's American Sniper book he mentioned Black Hills ammo being high quality and what he preferred

                        I would think that Seals and Marine snipers are training and traveling so much they wouldn't have time to load

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by cajuntec View Post
                          I have a question that ties in directly with this. No matter the correct answer, it's food for thought...

                          Do military snipers that held past / hold current records for long range kills load their own ammo for use on an actual mission?

                          All the best,
                          Glenn
                          They do not load their own ammo, but some of the armorers do load for them.

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                            #14
                            No marine sniper is shooting custom loaded ammo for them. They're shooting the m118lr when on the range (unless they're breaking rules) and in country its m118lr. If you're on the Marine Corps shooting time you can get ammo loaded specifically for your gun.

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                              #15
                              I am new to reloading. Just started in the last year. I must say I enjoy it-

                              That said I cull my brass and put a caliper on the survivors on the front end

                              I put a caliper on every completed round and see a definite difference when my brass is culled

                              I'm using a Forster and a mix of dies

                              Just added a Hornady lock n load powder dispenser for some bulk .223 production

                              Anyone use these?

                              How accurate do they dispense powder?

                              I'm using the RCBS chargemaster 1500 for my precision loads


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