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Old 04-20-2017, 09:09 PM   #1
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What would the minimum draw weight be for Cape Buffalo? Who all on here has done it? My dad is interested in doing a trip if it's feasible. Anyone have an outfitter that offers high percentage opportunity for buff with a bow? Thanks!


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Old 04-20-2017, 09:15 PM   #2
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http://www.marromeusafaris.com

Hands down the best place I've found. Never been but a buddy and I have it seriously planned in the future. True Africa, 500,000 acres with no fences.

Bows are so efficient today that you can get by with 70-80 lbs assuming that you shoot a well constructed heavy arrow like a grizz stick tipped with an Ashby broad head.
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Old 04-20-2017, 09:16 PM   #3
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Watch the video in the website, it that doesn't get you excited, I don't know what will.
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Old 04-20-2017, 09:18 PM   #4
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I know it can be done at 70lbs with the right arrow/BH combo assuming draw length is long enough
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I know it can be done at 70lbs with the right arrow/BH combo assuming draw length is long enough


29" draw length


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Should be fine assuming outfitter is ok with it or the country chosen doesn't have a minimum of 80
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Should be fine assuming outfitter is ok with it or the country chosen doesn't have a minimum of 80


10-4. Will check into it.


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Old 04-20-2017, 09:50 PM   #8
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I did it with a 83# recurve.
A 70 pound compound would have way more penatration
Just go with a heavy arrow at least 900 grains
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http://www.marromeusafaris.com

Hands down the best place I've found. Never been but a buddy and I have it seriously planned in the future. True Africa, 500,000 acres with no fences.

Bows are so efficient today that you can get by with 70-80 lbs assuming that you shoot a well constructed heavy arrow like a grizz stick tipped with an Ashby broad head.
The video that popped up when I clicked that link was awesome. Boat load of sable and big waterbuck.
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I am going in August with a friend who is going to shoot a Cape Buffalo with a 75# recurve and a really, really heavy arrow!

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Old 04-21-2017, 03:26 AM   #11
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I did it and shot a 90lb compound with a 900 grain arrow. I think arrow weight and foc is number one. I know guys that have done it with 70 lb bows and heavy arrows and kept shots around 20 yards. I would go for a fairly fast bow and try to get to 80 pounds. I would not go below 850-900 grains in arrow weight and I would shoot a solidly constructed 2 blade head. What I mean by that is no screws or aluminum ferrules. I shot a 160 grain stos sharpened to a tanto tip jb welded on to a 100 grain steel insert. Lots of choices out there now but that is what I used. My shot was 32 yards and the broadhead was sticking out 3-4 inches on the far side of the buffalo.
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The outfitter (African Arrow Outfitters) I use in RSA had a gentleman kill a big buff with 60#'s and a heavy arrow. A great strong broadhead and the right shot placement is going to be critical.

My set up is a 70# bow at 29" with an almost 800 grain arrow shooting a 220 grain Tuffhead. The arrow will also be double footed for added strength at the business end. My PH, Harry Nel said that would be a great set up.

This is also a bowhunting outfit only and can get you on quality Cape Buffs with a bow, either out of treestands over water or on a walk and stalk. I highly recommend Harry and African Arrow Safaris, especially for bowhunters.
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Old 04-21-2017, 06:39 AM   #13
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I shot the one in my profile pick with a 70lb 29 inch draw 950 grain total weight arrow.

I hunted with Adansonia safaris
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Old 04-21-2017, 07:49 AM   #14
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Thanks everyone. Seems like getting some arrows built is just as (if not more) important then draw weight. My dad generally shoots whitetail and mule deer at 55 lbs or so. He could certainly get up to 70 lbs but anymore then that would be tough. He is in great shape but isn't a big guy. He would like to try and get it done in 2018 and will be 65 yrs old then. I hope it all comes together and he gets to make the trip! Bucket list item for him.


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Old 04-21-2017, 08:27 AM   #15
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I hunt with Limcroma and have had several opportunities with a bow while chasing other animals. My wallet just can't handle a buff.......yet. I know they will want you to pull 80. One of these days I will get after em. Personally, not sure I could do 80 right now ha ha. Would need to get the muscles trained. But, you can contact them and see what the minimum draw weight they would require. I can give you my PH's contact info if you want. PM me. He loves chasing buff.
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Old 04-21-2017, 09:50 AM   #16
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Hands down the best place I've found. Never been but a buddy and I have it seriously planned in the future. True Africa, 500,000 acres with no fences.

Bows are so efficient today that you can get by with 70-80 lbs assuming that you shoot a well constructed heavy arrow like a grizz stick tipped with an Ashby broad head.
You weren't kidding about that video . Breathtaking, thanks for posting!
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Great video, amazing close up shots with I assume a drone.
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Old 04-21-2017, 08:29 PM   #18
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You weren't kidding about that video . Breathtaking, thanks for posting!
No problem, I've talked to Anton a couple of times at HSC and DSC and he is very confident about getting it done with a bow on foot. He has a couple of hunters per year do it. Many hunters kill them with double rifles with him and the range is limited to 50-60 yards. Lastly, Tim Wells killed one on foot that was sleeping in the reeds with a spear.

I have talked to a lot of people about the very hunt your dad is wanting to do and these guys were the top of the list..... roughly 15k for a 10 day free range cape hunt including trophy fee in Mozambique is a steal.
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Old 04-21-2017, 09:00 PM   #21
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I shot the one in my profile pick with a 70lb 29 inch draw 950 grain total weight arrow.

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I was with him

This is why I said it would be fine as long as they were ok with the setup
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The correct combination of a bow set up you are confident in, the right arrow/broadhead combination for what you are going to hunt such a Cape Buffalo and the correct shot placement will do the job. Not a lot of guys on here could pull 80#'s I would think. I know some can, but I know I can't so for me if an outfitter recommends 80#'s for a Cape Buffalo hunt, I would have to pass. I have never hunted one but hopefully in there near future if not this coming summer and I will be going with 70#'s and an arrow approaching 800 grains with a Tuffhead single bevel 220 grain head that will be double footed for better strength at the front end. This is what my PH said would work for him.
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Old 04-21-2017, 09:43 PM   #24
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The video was cool, had no idea sable traveled in such large herds. We put a 2000.00 deposit on a hunt years ago, and have kinda forgotten about it.
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Old 04-22-2017, 03:47 PM   #25
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It is both feasible and ethical to archery hunt for a cape buffalo with as little as 65lbs. of draw weight provided that you have the right combination of total arrow weight, FOC, and the right broadhead. The 80lb. draw recommendation is an outdated minimum that was the rule of thought before we realized the physics of momentum, heavy FOC and their direct relation to penetration.

I have seen several cape buffalo taken in recent years with compound and traditional bows in the 65-75lb. range. The key is an arrow built to at least 950 grains with an FOC of 20% or greater and a forged steel, 2-blade, single bevel broadhead..... You can't get caught up in the slow fps. Arrow speed is not the key in this application. These heavy arrow set-ups generate a crazy amount of momentum and perform amazingly well.
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It is both feasible and ethical to archery hunt for a cape buffalo with as little as 65lbs. of draw weight provided that you have the right combination of total arrow weight, FOC, and the right broadhead. The 80lb. draw recommendation is an outdated minimum that was the rule of thought before we realized the physics of momentum, heavy FOC and their direct relation to penetration.

I have seen several cape buffalo taken in recent years with compound and traditional bows in the 65-75lb. range. The key is an arrow built to at least 950 grains with an FOC of 20% or greater and a forged steel, 2-blade, single bevel broadhead..... You can't get caught up in the slow fps. Arrow speed is not the key in this application. These heavy arrow set-ups generate a crazy amount of momentum and perform amazingly well.
Yep, I did mine with 73 pounds and a 950 grain grizzly stick tipped with a single bevel Massai.
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Thanks everyone. I'm confident he can shoot in that 70-73 lb range and get some big time arrows set up.


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I've never hunted a cape. But I do look and research arrows for that type of hunting. I would look into a bishop broadhead. I would look at Alaska bowhunting grizzly stik shafts. Like already posted build it around 900 gn. With as much foc that is possible and keep arrow with great flight. Foc I'm talking about is mimimum of 20%
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Yep, I did mine with 73 pounds and a 950 grain grizzly stick tipped with a single bevel Massai.
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I've never hunted a cape. But I do look and research arrows for that type of hunting. I would look into a bishop broadhead. I would look at Alaska bowhunting grizzly stik shafts. Like already posted build it around 900 gn. With as much foc that is possible and keep arrow with great flight. Foc I'm talking about is mimimum of 20%
Bishop broadheads are a great choice, as are the Helix's.... There have been past concerns raised with the broadheads from Grizzlystiks in regard to the steel used being too brittle resulting in cracks and chinks in the steel. Grizzlystik has supposedly addressed and corrected this by changing their forging process.

That said, we have had several clients use Grizzlystik broadhead and arrow combinations with great success. We have also seen good results with the Easton FMJ DG arrow. They also offer a customize-able brass insert capable of giving you really high total arrow weights and high FOC's above 20%. Arrows built with weight tubes are not the best choice because they don't offer the ideal FOC weight distribution. The FOC is just as important as the total arrow weight with these set-ups.
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Thanks everyone. I'm confident he can shoot in that 70-73 lb range and get some big time arrows set up.


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I just happen to have several of the arrows (never shot ) I had made for my cape hunt, along with broad heads ( Never shot ) that I could let go of for a fair price.
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Guess I should tell you they are grizzly sticks and Ed Ashby single bevel heads Total weight for the set up is 950 Grains.
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Guess I should tell you they are grizzly sticks and Ed Ashby single bevel heads Total weight for the set up is 950 Grains.


He is not going (if he goes at all) until August 2018. He doesn't even own a 70lb bow at this time. I'm sure there will be lots of other purchases in his future if he does decide to make the trip.


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I'm in the initial stages now of getting my bow and gear ready for a buff hunt next August/September. My bow is currently being built now by dryad and is going to be 75 to 77 pounds@ 27" (longbow).

As stated by many above and from many others I've talked to, the biggest thing is the arrow set up and it's strength to hold up against the Cape buffalo's skeletal make up because it's not a matter of if you will hit a rib, it's a matter of what part of the rib bones you are going to hit going in and you definitely don't want your arrow to fail!


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