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Old 07-15-2017, 05:25 PM   #1
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Old 07-15-2017, 05:29 PM   #2
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Old 07-15-2017, 05:52 PM   #3
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Unless someone better is put forth, I'll vote for him again. The Dems are trying dang hard to turn Texas "blue". He does a pretty good job at warding off that catastrophe.
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Unless someone better is put forth, I'll vote for him again. The Dems are trying dang hard to turn Texas "blue". He does a pretty good job at warding off that catastrophe.
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Another vote for Abbott here.
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Don't be surprised if crazy Dan Patrick tries to take a run at Abbott. Abbott is a solid gov.
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So far no competeriors. His war chest is $35 million......whew!!

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I would prefer to not have theocon running the state, but the size of Abott's campaign chest will make it next to impossible for a centrist to beat him. Dan Patrick would be even worse. I hope to see the day that neither would win the Texas governorship. Maybe in another decade or two...
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I would prefer to not have theocon running the state, but the size of Abott's campaign chest will make it next to impossible for a centrist to beat him. Dan Patrick would be even worse. I hope to see the day that neither would win the Texas governorship. Maybe in another decade or two...
The particular utopia you desire already exists. It's called California.
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The particular utopia you desire already exists. It's called California.
Your comments don't seem to reflect an appreciation for the differences between centrists and ideologues. Liberal ideologues run California. If it wasn't for Joe Straus, conservative ideologues would run Texas. I don't care for either situation.

As a centrist and an independent voter, I have no interest in seeing social engineering from the regressive left or the religious right.
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I fully grasp your point. It was a tongue in cheek comment. If you eliminate all social issues in politics, by default, you eliminate morality in society. A society with tenuous morals simply will not stand for long. The Democratic Party holds the mantle for engineering the degradation of morals in American society and they are smart about it. I want to be left alone as much as anyone but I also don't want a thriving meth lab next door.
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Old 07-16-2017, 08:42 AM   #13
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I'll vote Abbott unless a better alternative shows up. Don't see it coming though. Patrick is a tool, and Strauss prevents more than he ever actually gets done.
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As a centrist and an independent voter, I have no interest in seeing social engineering from the regressive left or the religious right.
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Abbott. Been an awesome governor.


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Old 07-16-2017, 12:42 PM   #21
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I fully grasp your point. It was a tongue in cheek comment. If you eliminate all social issues in politics, by default, you eliminate morality in society. A society with tenuous morals simply will not stand for long. The Democratic Party holds the mantle for engineering the degradation of morals in American society and they are smart about it. I want to be left alone as much as anyone but I also don't want a thriving meth lab next door.
Your social morality is yours and I'm sure we only partially agree on it. From my perspective, there are no shortage of historical examples of liberal and conservative social immorality in America.

I'm not sure I've seen evidence that indicates more conservative social politics or more Republican Party influence means fewer meth labs. I saw a top-10 list of meth lab states a few years ago and I think it might have had 1 or 2 "liberal" states on it. On a similar note, the opiod problem has received significant news coverage of late. The reddest states, where there is no shortage of Bibles, religious fundamentalism, social conservatism or Republicans, have the highest opiod prescription use per capita. For some reason, an abnormally high percentage of SEC and Big 12 fans seem to be in pain.

If I had to guess, I'd bet that a majority in this community prefer Abbott and Patrick legislating based on their religious beliefs. I think the Constitution allows them to do so to an extent. I'm comfortable opposing such faith-based politics and I do believe I will see the day where theocrats like Greg Abbott and Dan Patrick won't be able to win a statewide election in Texas. In the meantime, I sincerely appreciate the balance and moderation that Joe Straus provides in keeping Abbott and Patrick in check.
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Don't be surprised if crazy Dan Patrick tries to take a run at Abbott. Abbott is a solid gov.
Lieutenant Governor is where the most power in Texas resides. I'd rather someone like Abbot in the Lt. Gov. seat honestly. But, I like him as Governor also. Maybe someone more like Abbot will somehow primary Patrick out of his seat.
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I'm not sure I've seen evidence that indicates more conservative social politics or more Republican Party influence means fewer meth labs. I saw a top-10 list of meth lab states a few years ago and I think it might have had 1 or 2 "liberal" states on it. On a similar note, the opiod problem has received significant news coverage of late. The reddest states, where there is no shortage of Bibles, religious fundamentalism, social conservatism or Republicans, have the highest opiod prescription use per capita.
You couldn't be any more wrong about this.


"The places with the highest percentage of teenage drug users were Colorado, the District of Columbia, Vermont, Oregon and Rhode Island. Comparatively, states with the lowest percentage of drug users were Nebraska, Utah, North Dakota, South Dakota and Iowa.

Most people who died from an overdose, per capita, died in West Virginia, followed by New Hampshire, a Kentucky-Ohio tie and Rhode Island. The states with the fewest overdose deaths were Iowa, Texas, North Dakota, South Dakota and Nebraska."

Top 10 drug states, in order:

1 District of Columbia
2 Vermont
3 Colorado
4 Delaware
5 Rhode Island
6 Oregon
7 Connecticut
8 Arizona
9 Massachusetts
10 Michigan
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You couldn't be any more wrong about this.


"The places with the highest percentage of teenage drug users were Colorado, the District of Columbia, Vermont, Oregon and Rhode Island. Comparatively, states with the lowest percentage of drug users were Nebraska, Utah, North Dakota, South Dakota and Iowa.

Most people who died from an overdose, per capita, died in West Virginia, followed by New Hampshire, a Kentucky-Ohio tie and Rhode Island. The states with the fewest overdose deaths were Iowa, Texas, North Dakota, South Dakota and Nebraska."

Top 10 drug states, in order:

1 District of Columbia
2 Vermont
3 Colorado
4 Delaware
5 Rhode Island
6 Oregon
7 Connecticut
8 Arizona
9 Massachusetts
10 Michigan

Good stuff there. Thanks LFD2037.

This discussion probably belongs in a separate thread but for now, I will run with it. Vermin93, my "meth lab" comment was merely metaphoric and the definition of moral is not debatable. One can choose to abide by that definition or not but arguing the definition is silly. You lamented the value of morals in society while citing an opioid drug epidemic as evidence to the contrary. HUH??? It can't be both ways. Be careful what you wish for...you just might get it.

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You couldn't be any more wrong about this.


"The places with the highest percentage of teenage drug users were Colorado, the District of Columbia, Vermont, Oregon and Rhode Island. Comparatively, states with the lowest percentage of drug users were Nebraska, Utah, North Dakota, South Dakota and Iowa.

Most people who died from an overdose, per capita, died in West Virginia, followed by New Hampshire, a Kentucky-Ohio tie and Rhode Island. The states with the fewest overdose deaths were Iowa, Texas, North Dakota, South Dakota and Nebraska."

Top 10 drug states, in order:

1 District of Columbia
2 Vermont
3 Colorado
4 Delaware
5 Rhode Island
6 Oregon
7 Connecticut
8 Arizona
9 Massachusetts
10 Michigan
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You couldn't be any more wrong about this.


"The places with the highest percentage of teenage drug users were Colorado, the District of Columbia, Vermont, Oregon and Rhode Island. Comparatively, states with the lowest percentage of drug users were Nebraska, Utah, North Dakota, South Dakota and Iowa.

Most people who died from an overdose, per capita, died in West Virginia, followed by New Hampshire, a Kentucky-Ohio tie and Rhode Island. The states with the fewest overdose deaths were Iowa, Texas, North Dakota, South Dakota and Nebraska."

Top 10 drug states, in order:

1 District of Columbia
2 Vermont
3 Colorado
4 Delaware
5 Rhode Island
6 Oregon
7 Connecticut
8 Arizona
9 Massachusetts
10 Michigan
I'm not wrong. I responded to a comment on meth labs and I mentioned a metric related to the opiod crisis. You posted the results of a wallethub.com report that was created using a weighting of 15 metrics across 3 categories, including law enforcement. It also included marijuana among illicit drug use. That significantly cheapens the results from my perspective.

1. Drug Use & Addiction – Total Points: 50
Percentage of Teenagers Who Used Illicit Drugs in the Past Month: Triple Weight (~11.54 Points)
Percentage of Teenagers Who Tried Marijuana Before Age 13 Years: Full Weight (~3.85 Points)
Percentage of Teenagers Who Were Offered, Sold, Or Given An Illegal Drug On School Property in the Past Year: Full Weight (~3.85 Points)
Percentage of Adults Who Used Illicit Drugs in the Past Month: Triple Weight (~11.54 Points)
Number of Opioid Pain Reliever Prescriptions per 100 People: Full Weight (~3.85 Points)
Number of Methamphetamine Lab Incidents (population adj): Full Weight (~3.85 Points)
Number of Overdose Deaths per Capita: Double Weight (~7.69 Points)
Overdose Deaths Growth (2015 vs 2014): Full Weight (~3.85 Points)
2. Law Enforcement – Total Points: 25
Number of Drug Arrests per Capita: Full Weight (~6.25 Points)
Number of Drug Arrests on College Campuses per 1,000 Students: Full Weight (~6.25 Points)
Prescription Drug Monitoring Laws: Full Weight (~6.25 Points)
Maternity Drug Policy (Is Substance Abuse During Pregnancy a Crime?): Full Weight (~6.25 Points)
3. Drug Health Issues & Rehab – Total Points: 25
Percentage of Adults Who Needed But Didn’t Receive Treatment for Illicit Drug Use in the Past Year: Double Weight (~10.00 Points)
Number of Substance Abuse Treatment Facilities per 100,000 People (12 Years and Older) Using Illicit Drugs: Full Weight (~5.00 Points)
Number of Admissions to Substance Abuse Treatment Services per 100,000 People (12 Years and Older) Using Illicit Drugs: Double Weight (~10.00 Points)

As for the 2 metrics I specifically referenced -

DEA: 2014 Methamphetamine Lab Incidents (Not weighted by population)

1. Indiana - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
2. Missouri - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
3. Tennessee - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
4. Ohio - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
5. Michigan - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
6. Illinois - Republican Governor, Democrat Legislature
7. North Carolina - Democrat Governor, Republican Legislature
8. Florida - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
9. Kentucky - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
10. South Carolina - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature

Number of opiod prescriptions by 100 residents (average US Rate = 82.6)

1. Alabama (142.9) - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
2. Tennessee (142.0) - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
3. West Virginia (137.6) - Democrat Governor, Republican Legislature
4. Kentucky (128.4) - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
5. Oklahoma (127.8) - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
6. Mississippi (120.3) - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
7. Louisiana (118.0) - Democrat Governor, Republican Legislature
8. Arkansas (115.8) - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
9. Indiana (109.1) - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
10. Michigan (107.0) - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature

These 2 lists are largely comprised of states that are more religious, conservative and Republican than most. In fact, out of the 20 least religious states in the country as rated by Pew Research, only 1 (Illinois) is on the meth lab incidents or opiod prescription list. By comparison, out of the top 10 most highly religious states in the country, Georgia is the only one to not make either list. Hopefully the Republicans who control the governorships and the legislatures in most of these states will find a better way to get their states off the lists because social conservatism doesn't seem to be getting the job done.
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Data without context and understanding isn't very useful.
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Good stuff there. Thanks LFD2037.

This discussion probably belongs in a separate thread but for now, I will run with it. Vermin93, my "meth lab" comment was merely metaphoric and the definition of moral is not debatable. One can choose to abide by that definition or not but arguing the definition is silly. You lamented the value of morals in society while citing an opioid drug epidemic as evidence to the contrary. HUH??? It can't be both ways. Be careful what you wish for...you just might get it.
I responded to your subjective claim that the Democratic Party is largely responsible for your perception of moral degradation in America.

Of course morality is debatable, and I never lamented the value of morals in society. In response to your meth lab metaphor, I lamented the inability of socially conservative states to get meth labs and opiod prescriptions under control. The Democratic Party, which I generally don't support, would seem to be your root cause of this. If it is, then I find that absurd.

I never suggested the elimination of societal morality and I'm certain that we don't need faith-based politics from Abbott and Patrick to have it. My larger point is that Republicans, and especially conservatives, do not have a monopoly on morality, even though some seem to have convinced themselves they do.

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I'm not wrong. I responded to a comment on meth labs and I mentioned a metric related to the opiod crisis. You posted the results of a wallethub.com report that was created using a weighting of 15 metrics across 3 categories, including law enforcement. It also included marijuana among illicit drug use. That significantly cheapens the results from my perspective.

1. Drug Use & Addiction – Total Points: 50
Percentage of Teenagers Who Used Illicit Drugs in the Past Month: Triple Weight (~11.54 Points)
Percentage of Teenagers Who Tried Marijuana Before Age 13 Years: Full Weight (~3.85 Points)
Percentage of Teenagers Who Were Offered, Sold, Or Given An Illegal Drug On School Property in the Past Year: Full Weight (~3.85 Points)
Percentage of Adults Who Used Illicit Drugs in the Past Month: Triple Weight (~11.54 Points)
Number of Opioid Pain Reliever Prescriptions per 100 People: Full Weight (~3.85 Points)
Number of Methamphetamine Lab Incidents (population adj): Full Weight (~3.85 Points)
Number of Overdose Deaths per Capita: Double Weight (~7.69 Points)
Overdose Deaths Growth (2015 vs 2014): Full Weight (~3.85 Points)
2. Law Enforcement – Total Points: 25
Number of Drug Arrests per Capita: Full Weight (~6.25 Points)
Number of Drug Arrests on College Campuses per 1,000 Students: Full Weight (~6.25 Points)
Prescription Drug Monitoring Laws: Full Weight (~6.25 Points)
Maternity Drug Policy (Is Substance Abuse During Pregnancy a Crime?): Full Weight (~6.25 Points)
3. Drug Health Issues & Rehab – Total Points: 25
Percentage of Adults Who Needed But Didn’t Receive Treatment for Illicit Drug Use in the Past Year: Double Weight (~10.00 Points)
Number of Substance Abuse Treatment Facilities per 100,000 People (12 Years and Older) Using Illicit Drugs: Full Weight (~5.00 Points)
Number of Admissions to Substance Abuse Treatment Services per 100,000 People (12 Years and Older) Using Illicit Drugs: Double Weight (~10.00 Points)

As for the 2 metrics I specifically referenced -

DEA: 2014 Methamphetamine Lab Incidents (Not weighted by population)

1. Indiana - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
2. Missouri - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
3. Tennessee - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
4. Ohio - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
5. Michigan - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
6. Illinois - Republican Governor, Democrat Legislature
7. North Carolina - Democrat Governor, Republican Legislature
8. Florida - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
9. Kentucky - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
10. South Carolina - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature

Number of opiod prescriptions by 100 residents (average US Rate = 82.6)

1. Alabama (142.9) - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
2. Tennessee (142.0) - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
3. West Virginia (137.6) - Democrat Governor, Republican Legislature
4. Kentucky (128.4) - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
5. Oklahoma (127.8) - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
6. Mississippi (120.3) - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
7. Louisiana (118.0) - Democrat Governor, Republican Legislature
8. Arkansas (115.8) - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
9. Indiana (109.1) - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
10. Michigan (107.0) - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature

These 2 lists are largely comprised of states that are more religious, conservative and Republican than most. In fact, out of the 20 least religious states in the country as rated by Pew Research, only 1 (Illinois) is on the meth lab incidents or opiod prescription list. By comparison, out of the top 10 most highly religious states in the country, Georgia is the only one to not make either list. Hopefully the Republicans who control the governorships and the legislatures in most of these states will find a better way to get their states off the lists because social conservatism doesn't seem to be getting the job done.
Your info is antiquated & incorrect. I don't know I'm wasting my breath w/you, other than to show others you're incorrect, but you can find many, many current sources that say you're wrong.
2 things w/your info. (besides being outdated & incorrect):
1) Just because there's been more raids on meth labs in a state doesn't mean they have higher meth usage. It just means their LEO's are cracking down more than other states.
2) Just because opioid prescription is higher in a state doesn't mean there's more opioid abuse.

Here's you one, of many, current research links:
https://wallethub.com/edu/drug-use-by-state/35150/

(only use this as a reference as it has more info than just raids or LEGAL prescriptions)
Btw, I won't waste any more time trying to show you the error of your ways. Have a good day!
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I'm not wrong. I responded to a comment on meth labs and I mentioned a metric related to the opiod crisis. You posted the results of a wallethub.com report that was created using a weighting of 15 metrics across 3 categories, including law enforcement. It also included marijuana among illicit drug use. That significantly cheapens the results from my perspective.

1. Drug Use & Addiction – Total Points: 50
Percentage of Teenagers Who Used Illicit Drugs in the Past Month: Triple Weight (~11.54 Points)
Percentage of Teenagers Who Tried Marijuana Before Age 13 Years: Full Weight (~3.85 Points)
Percentage of Teenagers Who Were Offered, Sold, Or Given An Illegal Drug On School Property in the Past Year: Full Weight (~3.85 Points)
Percentage of Adults Who Used Illicit Drugs in the Past Month: Triple Weight (~11.54 Points)
Number of Opioid Pain Reliever Prescriptions per 100 People: Full Weight (~3.85 Points)
Number of Methamphetamine Lab Incidents (population adj): Full Weight (~3.85 Points)
Number of Overdose Deaths per Capita: Double Weight (~7.69 Points)
Overdose Deaths Growth (2015 vs 2014): Full Weight (~3.85 Points)
2. Law Enforcement – Total Points: 25
Number of Drug Arrests per Capita: Full Weight (~6.25 Points)
Number of Drug Arrests on College Campuses per 1,000 Students: Full Weight (~6.25 Points)
Prescription Drug Monitoring Laws: Full Weight (~6.25 Points)
Maternity Drug Policy (Is Substance Abuse During Pregnancy a Crime?): Full Weight (~6.25 Points)
3. Drug Health Issues & Rehab – Total Points: 25
Percentage of Adults Who Needed But Didn’t Receive Treatment for Illicit Drug Use in the Past Year: Double Weight (~10.00 Points)
Number of Substance Abuse Treatment Facilities per 100,000 People (12 Years and Older) Using Illicit Drugs: Full Weight (~5.00 Points)
Number of Admissions to Substance Abuse Treatment Services per 100,000 People (12 Years and Older) Using Illicit Drugs: Double Weight (~10.00 Points)

As for the 2 metrics I specifically referenced -

DEA: 2014 Methamphetamine Lab Incidents (Not weighted by population)

1. Indiana - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
2. Missouri - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
3. Tennessee - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
4. Ohio - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
5. Michigan - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
6. Illinois - Republican Governor, Democrat Legislature
7. North Carolina - Democrat Governor, Republican Legislature
8. Florida - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
9. Kentucky - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
10. South Carolina - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature

Number of opiod prescriptions by 100 residents (average US Rate = 82.6)

1. Alabama (142.9) - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
2. Tennessee (142.0) - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
3. West Virginia (137.6) - Democrat Governor, Republican Legislature
4. Kentucky (128.4) - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
5. Oklahoma (127.8) - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
6. Mississippi (120.3) - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
7. Louisiana (118.0) - Democrat Governor, Republican Legislature
8. Arkansas (115.8) - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
9. Indiana (109.1) - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature
10. Michigan (107.0) - Republican Governor, Republican Legislature

These 2 lists are largely comprised of states that are more religious, conservative and Republican than most. In fact, out of the 20 least religious states in the country as rated by Pew Research, only 1 (Illinois) is on the meth lab incidents or opiod prescription list. By comparison, out of the top 10 most highly religious states in the country, Georgia is the only one to not make either list. Hopefully the Republicans who control the governorships and the legislatures in most of these states will find a better way to get their states off the lists because social conservatism doesn't seem to be getting the job done.
Lol! It's going to be kind of hard to find a state that doesn't have a Republican Governor or Republican Legislature, simply because the tax paying citizens are sick and tired of the Democrats illogical bull****.
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I responded to your subjective claim that the Democratic Party is largely responsible for your perception of moral degradation in America.

Of course morality is debatable, and I never lamented the value of morals in society. In response to your meth lab metaphor, I lamented the inability of socially conservative states to get meth labs and opiod prescriptions under control. The Democratic Party, which I generally don't support, would seem to be your root cause of this. If it is, then I find that absurd.

I never suggested the elimination of societal morality and I'm certain that we don't need faith-based politics from Abbott and Patrick to have it. My larger point is that Republicans, and especially conservatives, do not have a monopoly on morality, even though some seem to have convinced themselves they do.
Wait, wait, wait! Let's get to the real nut cutting here. Forget the states, what cities have the biggest drug problems, crime, and social issues, and tell me if they are blue or red.
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Wait, wait, wait! Let's get to the real nut cutting here. Forget the states, what cities have the biggest drug problems, crime, and social issues, and tell me if they are blue or red.
By a very large margin, blue.
But Vermin will say since more guns are owned in red states that means more conservatives shoot people w/their legally owned guns. That's liberal logic, don't you know.
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Wait, wait, wait! Let's get to the real nut cutting here. Forget the states, what cities have the biggest drug problems, crime, and social issues, and tell me if they are blue or red.
Given that 90% of major cities are blue (most major cities in texas even voted for Clinton)...it's going to be blue.
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Your info is antiquated & incorrect. I don't know I'm wasting my breath w/you, other than to show others you're incorrect, but you can find many, many current sources that say you're wrong.
2 things w/your info. (besides being outdated & incorrect):
1) Just because there's been more raids on meth labs in a state doesn't mean they have higher meth usage. It just means their LEO's are cracking down more than other states.
2) Just because opioid prescription is higher in a state doesn't mean there's more opioid abuse.

Here's you one, of many, current research links:
https://wallethub.com/edu/drug-use-by-state/35150/

(only use this as a reference as it has more info than just raids or LEGAL prescriptions)
Btw, I won't waste any more time trying to show you the error of your ways. Have a good day!
I'm not sure how you can claim my info is antiquated and incorrect. It's from the same report you've presented as evidence. The 15 metrics I posted are quoted word for word from the report you linked, and the report you linked specifically states the following:

Most Opiod Prescriptions per 100 People
1. Alabama
2. Tennessee
3. West Virginia
4. Kentucky
5. Oklahoma

That Top 5 list is the same as my Top 5 list because it's from the same data. The report you posted identifies the DEA and the CDC as sources of the data used to create the rankings, which is where my lists came from. Below are visual representations of that data. Based on the opiod prescription chart, a significant portion of Trump nation appears to be in a lot of pain.

I'm also not sure why you would post a report as evidence and then write off 2 of the 15 metrics considered in the report. That seems self-defeating, but maybe that's a Trumpism thing.

Meth Lab Locations 2004 -2014



Number of painkiller prescriptions per 100 people

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Lol! It's going to be kind of hard to find a state that doesn't have a Republican Governor or Republican Legislature, simply because the tax paying citizens are sick and tired of the Democrats illogical bull****.
Fair point, which is why I also pointed out that the most heavily religious states in the country dominate the lists of meth lab incidents and opiod prescriptions. This begs the question....are they simply not praying hard enough for the meth labs and pain to go away? It seems pretty clear that their prayers aren't being answered. Hmmmm......
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Fair point, which is why I also pointed out that the most heavily religious states in the country dominate the lists of meth lab incidents and opiod prescriptions. This begs the question....are they simply not praying hard enough for the meth labs and pain to go away? It seems pretty clear that their prayers aren't being answered. Hmmmm......
No. It's backwoods rednecks that can't afford, or have access to, cocaine, so they improvise. The opioids are because they are legal, unlike marijuana, and they don't want to be considered "potheads".
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I responded to your subjective claim that the Democratic Party is largely responsible for your perception of moral degradation in America.

Of course morality is debatable, and I never lamented the value of morals in society. In response to your meth lab metaphor, I lamented the inability of socially conservative states to get meth labs and opiod prescriptions under control. The Democratic Party, which I generally don't support, would seem to be your root cause of this. If it is, then I find that absurd.

I never suggested the elimination of societal morality and I'm certain that we don't need faith-based politics from Abbott and Patrick to have it. My larger point is that Republicans, and especially conservatives, do not have a monopoly on morality, even though some seem to have convinced themselves they do.
First and foremost, what is your gripe with religion? And, to boil it down further, Conservatism? Both are a collection of ideas simply rooted in right and wrong. Why do you care what religion Abbott or Patrick profess in their personal lives? They cannot wave a wand and force you into a Church or embed their beliefs no matter how much you fear it.

Your complaint is that Conservatives claim to have a "monopoly on morality". I have not yet heard you dive headlong into the liberal mantle of tolerance and race. Liberals are the most intolerant and racist people in this Country but you fear the conservative family that is only worried about doing the right thing each and everyday. Would you be less fearful of conservatives if they voted for live-birth abortions and free weed for kindergarteners?

Politically, the thing MOST conservatives fear is irreparable damage being done to this Country. If you honestly look at the current Democratic Party platform, that cannot be said for them. What is it conservatives believe that you find so damaging to your freedoms and Rights?
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First and foremost, what is your gripe with religion? And, to boil it down further, Conservatism? Both are a collection of ideas simply rooted in right and wrong. Why do you care what religion Abbott or Patrick profess in their personal lives? They cannot wave a wand and force you into a Church or embed their beliefs no matter how much you fear it.

Your complaint is that Conservatives claim to have a "monopoly on morality". I have not yet heard you dive headlong into the liberal mantle of tolerance and race. Liberals are the most intolerant and racist people in this Country but you fear the conservative family that is only worried about doing the right thing each and everyday. Would you be less fearful of conservatives if they voted for live-birth abortions and free weed for kindergarteners?

Politically, the thing MOST conservatives fear is irreparable damage being done to this Country. If you honestly look at the current Democratic Party platform, that cannot be said for them. What is it conservatives believe that you find so damaging to your freedoms and Rights?
Your are absolutely wasting your time. Unless that's all you're out to do, then .
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Your are absolutely wasting your time. Unless that's all you're out to do, then .
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I'm 100% sure you are correct but I've always been fascinated in the psychology of those who believe as he does and what tarnished his view on life.
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Pretty ****in' sure it was meth.
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Pretty ****in' sure it was meth.

Point! Systemnt.
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https://mic.com/articles/80091/which...end#.xxp0N4LtZ

Here is a good one, tells most cited drug in each state...those dems sure do like to ride the dragon!!!
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Abbott has been good for Texas and for freedom. He will be hard to beat and I will be voting for him.

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First and foremost, what is your gripe with religion? And, to boil it down further, Conservatism? Both are a collection of ideas simply rooted in right and wrong. Why do you care what religion Abbott or Patrick profess in their personal lives? They cannot wave a wand and force you into a Church or embed their beliefs no matter how much you fear it.

Your complaint is that Conservatives claim to have a "monopoly on morality". I have not yet heard you dive headlong into the liberal mantle of tolerance and race. Liberals are the most intolerant and racist people in this Country but you fear the conservative family that is only worried about doing the right thing each and everyday. Would you be less fearful of conservatives if they voted for live-birth abortions and free weed for kindergarteners?

Politically, the thing MOST conservatives fear is irreparable damage being done to this Country. If you honestly look at the current Democratic Party platform, that cannot be said for them. What is it conservatives believe that you find so damaging to your freedoms and Rights?
You seem fond of making subjective claims, representing them as objective truth and wrapping them up in hyperbole. Twice in one post this time.

Conservatism and liberalism are collections of ideas rooted in an opinion of right and wrong. Religion is rooted in faith based on lax standards of reason and evidence. These lax standards enable people to believe the most absurd ideas in the name of religion and to do so without expectation of criticism.

Last week Alabama US Senator Luther Strange declared Trump's Presidency a biblical miracle. I'm not interested in leadership from social conservatives who would believe something so ludicrous or from a President who embraces something as arrogant and absurd as prosperity theology.

Last but not least, I'm not a Democrat. I'm a centrist and an independent. We comprise almost 40% of the electorate and outnumber liberals and conservatives. We don't care much for ideologues and we don't like having to choose between culturally-obsessed, politically correct leftists and arrogant, right-wing theocrats.

If I included liberals and conservatives, I could spend half a day answering your last question. I'm really not interested in doing that.

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Drugs are bad

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No joke...Im not sure why some of yall continue to try and argue/ reason with some on here. Its obvious they are nothing but trolls looking to stir the pot time and time again.
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You seem fond of making subjective claims, representing them as objective truth and wrapping them up in hyperbole. Twice in one post this time.

Conservatism and liberalism are collections of ideas rooted in an opinion of right and wrong. Religion is rooted in faith based on lax standards of reason and evidence. These lax standards enable people to believe the most absurd ideas in the name of religion and to do so without expectation of criticism.

Last week Alabama US Senator Luther Strange declared Trump's Presidency a biblical miracle. I'm not interested in leadership from social conservatives who would believe something so ludicrous or from a President who embraces something as arrogant and absurd as prosperity theology.

Last but not least, I'm not a Democrat. I'm a centrist and an independent. We comprise almost 40% of the electorate and outnumber liberals and conservatives. We don't care much for ideologues and we don't like having to choose between culturally-obsessed, politically correct leftists and arrogant, right-wing theocrats.

If I included liberals and conservatives, I could spend half a day answering your last question. I'm really not interested in doing that.
I almost feel sorry for you. Almost. You are so hell bent on going against any grain, you are rooted in no defined set of principles. In your numerous posts, you have yet to cite a single policy to which you support. It has been one lament after another about all things Conservative. Don't get me wrong, you are free to do so and I support your Right. However, there are millions of people that live and die by principles; some more so than others. From your text, I gather you could not even befriend a religious Conservative because their beliefs are "ludicrous" and "arrogant". I would never surround myself with people of that sort so, where are you (a person that abhors religious believers) finding them? Do you even know any?

I certainly made a subjective rebuttal but it was in no way "wrapped in hyperbole". There is good/bad, right/wrong in almost every walk of life. Just because a Senator proclaims Trump to be a miracle, doesn't mean that most of us swallow that hook, line and sinker. Some do but not most. Trump is no miracle as many are finding out, he is a man elected by the People. I didn't even vote for the guy and I no longer consider myself a Republican but I am aware, he was elected by Conservatives, moderates, Centrists and Democrats alike. You ought to be tickled pink over Trump's Presidency. He is the least religious, most left-leaning President in modern history. Moreover, Luther Strange is not Republican Leadership. I'd never even heard of the guy until I read your post.

As for religion, you should be exuberant. Freedom of Religion in this Country is being attacked mercilessly. Well, only Christianity. Muslims are free to run roughshod over this Country and much of the World to the delight of Liberals. You never said what it is that irks you so about a person's personal religion. You called it many derogatory names but provided no decipherable answer. I don't care what you do at home but you are consumed with what others do in theirs and label them negatively. That is the height of arrogance, Sir. Do you see yourself as some sort of above-the-fray intellectual that can so easily cast dispersions upon others but are in some way immune to ridicule? I wonder, is it truly religion that troubles you or is it being staked to a set of values that gets in your way? Perhaps, like Bill Maher, you believe you are more righteous than religion and look down upon believers as a "lesser form of human life". Yes, that was conjecture and hyperbole but that's what you think this is about. This is my last effort.
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