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Old 06-17-2017, 09:49 PM   #1
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Ok. I had some interest from a few to show the progress if i did the build. So I'll try to be good about taking some pics and posting up. Will end up being a somewhat slow build between work, the kids, and taking a grad level class over the summer and 2 in the fall.

Bought 2 sheets of 6mm hydratek today. The price for okume wasn't possible to float. Thought i would go with marine fir but all the sheets were warped and didnt want to chance it. So it'll end up being heavier than i really wanted.

So first thing is to try and scarf the pieces together. Never done this before, and this is my first boat build so dont want to screw it up. So taking it slow and steady with a palm sander. Only want to do this once, even if it does take a while.
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What would a project be around here without some critics?

Building in the barn, so might get hard to keep everything clean come epoxy and glueing time. The horses kick up a lot of dust. Probably take them across the street to the land when that time comes.

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I'm in too! I built my first pirogue in high school. Use marine plywood, kerfed and formed my own ribs, the fiberglassed all joints and the bottom. I loved that thing and sure wish I had it back.


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Ive always wanted one of those. In for the build!
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Ok, so already time for a question if anyone thinks they have the answer. I guess i rushed the scarf glue up or overlooked something. So does it look like i have to cut this out and start over or can i trying filleting it with the sawdust in epoxy?



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From a strength standpoint it will be fine floated out with epoxy impregnated sawdust (goopy) but it will always be noticeable. I would probably cut it out and remake the joint if it were mine.

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Well, it's my friday, I've studied hard every night this week, and watched 6 hours of webinars today so studying wasn't going to happen. So i got back on it. Ripped the boards apart and started over. This time tried with a belt sander and surprisingly it was a lot easier than i thought. Not to mention faster. I did wear down an outer edge a little bit but I'll fill and smooth it before glassing. Took more time tonight and did a better job of getting the pieces lined up right. I marked my lines, and on the top piece i marked additional lines at quarter inch increments incase i sanded over one or more. I didn't touch any during sanding so used the first line to match up the 2 boards. Got the weights on top and a saw horse underneath, so hopefully that provides enough pressure to keep it even and not get any gaps. We'll see tomorrow after i finish my research paper.


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Much better. Later I'll start drawing out the grid per the plans to lay out the sides and bottom. Also need to starting building and preparing some mahogany i have left over for the bow and stern beams to glue the sides to after cutting them out.

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Grid drawn and sides layed out. Need to get the jig saw from my ol man and hopefully cut them out tomorrow night. Going ocer in the morning to tail bleed the cows i recently AI'd, and hopefully I'll have time to rip, plane and glue up some mahogany for the bow stems. Would be awesome if i could get those shaped out this weekend.

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Didn't know you were that talented Andy!
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Didn't know you were that talented Andy!
Liar. Not too far off from my boat rebuild. If i can build bows, and rebuild that other boat, this is no problem

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In there is 3 pieces of mahogany glueing up. Before i left tonight, dad and i did get it planed down to specs and made the angle cuts, then left it to finish curing. Tomorrow I'll take pics of it. The main faces that the sides will mate up to have to be at a 80 degree angle. 3 cuts are made. 2 at 10 deg, and o e to clean up the inner most side at 40 deg. The 80 is most critical. The first 10 deg cut is what makes it, the others aren't as important, just cleans it up. Hopefully tomorrow night i can try to cut the sides out, but i won't rush it. I got a lot done this weekend so i can be happy with the progress made

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Old 06-25-2017, 09:35 AM   #16
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Very nice!!! I built one from their kit years ago and still have it!
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A view of the finished bow sterns looking down to see the angles that had to be cut

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Are you going to make a patten of the boat your are building ? Or just making the one ?
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Are you going to make a patten of the boat your are building ? Or just making the one ?
Not sure i understand. I have plans I'm following if that's what you mean

After rereading, did you mean patent?

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Not sure i understand. I have plans I'm following if that's what you mean

After rereading, did you mean patent?

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I assume he means tracing the finished panels onto some cheap Luann or paper, so the next one you build goes much faster than all the measuring and layout work.

Looks nice so far, I've built a couple pirogues myself, but I deviated from the plans slightly to get what I wanted. Mine is 14' long, 25" wide on the bottom and 35" on the top, it weighs 45 lbs and absolutely flies. It is almost as fast as a sea kayak. The other one is 16' long with a 27" bottom, and front and rear enclosed floatations compartments for my FIL to use out on the salt flats.
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I assume he means tracing the finished panels onto some cheap Luann or paper, so the next one you build goes much faster than all the measuring and layout work.

Looks nice so far, I've built a couple pirogues myself, but I deviated from the plans slightly to get what I wanted. Mine is 14' long, 25" wide on the bottom and 35" on the top, it weighs 45 lbs and absolutely flies. It is almost as fast as a sea kayak. The other one is 16' long with a 27" bottom, and front and rear enclosed floatations compartments for my FIL to use out on the salt flats.
Unless I screw up on this one, i don't see doing another anytime soon. The plans are pretty simple so wouldn't ser the need to trace a pattern. Next i want to do a 17 ft freighter canoe called lutra laker designed by a guy in texas. Also have plans for the point comfort skiff from doug hylan which is a pretty cool boat

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Sides cut out, lined them up back to back amd hit all the edges with the belt sander to true them up and make them identical. Next weekend I'll be ready to start attaching the sides to the bow stems.

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No I mean in case you plan to make more then one . That way you have a full size template to work from instead of having to redraw everything.
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I assume he means tracing the finished panels onto some cheap Luann or paper, so the next one you build goes much faster than all the measuring and layout work.



Looks nice so far, I've built a couple pirogues myself, but I deviated from the plans slightly to get what I wanted. Mine is 14' long, 25" wide on the bottom and 35" on the top, it weighs 45 lbs and absolutely flies. It is almost as fast as a sea kayak. The other one is 16' long with a 27" bottom, and front and rear enclosed floatations compartments for my FIL to use out on the salt flats.


That exactly what I was talking about.
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Unless I screw up on this one, i don't see doing another anytime soon. The plans are pretty simple so wouldn't ser the need to trace a pattern. Next i want to do a 17 ft freighter canoe called lutra laker designed by a guy in texas. Also have plans for the point comfort skiff from doug hylan which is a pretty cool boat

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I have always want to build a boat . What is the point contort skiff about ? I looked a jem plans before just never got to the point of making one .
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I have always want to build a boat . What is the point contort skiff about ? I looked a jem plans before just never got to the point of making one .
http://www.dhylanboats.com/new_const...ointcomfort18/

This is the skiff i have plans for already.

duckworksbbs.com/plans/nichols/laker/index.htm

This is the freighter canoe, lutra laker.


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This thread is giving me ideas for late August when my kid leaves for college and I get my garage back.

Was in the attic today and found about 5 years worth of Wooden Boat magazine from the somewhat pre-internet days. Much easier to get plans now.


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You're making good progress. Looking good too.

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You're making good progress. Looking good too.

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Thanks. Guess now the hard part will be making sure the sides match up perfectly on the stems, then it looks like it should all be downhill from there.

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Are you using wire or zips ties to stitch with? Don't tighten anything until you have the entire hull loosely stitched together.

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Are you using wire or zips ties to stitch with? Don't tighten anything until you have the entire hull loosely stitched together.

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These pland actually call for pilot drilling into the bow stems. Put in stainless screws until everything is lined up, then removing it all, apply glue and reinstall the sides and screws by hand so as not to sink the screws through the ply.

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I'm also debating in my head whether or not to bevel the ends of the side where they will meet each other on the points of the bow stems, or leave them squared off and use the epoxy and saw dust goop to round it out. Thinking the later option so that there's not a hard point on the front to be damaged or dinged when i bump something

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Definitely a different way of going about it than the stitch and glue method I have used to build a few boats.

You are making good progress though and I am in for the results.

I use Jacques' plans over at bateau. They have a good forum too with a lot of build threads.

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As son as I get a shop built, this'll be my number one project.
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This day is dragging hard. Work is dead and I'm just counting down the time. Hoping to go get the screws i need tonight and get started preparing to mount the sides to the stems

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Got one side drilled, temporarily atrached and trying to line up the other side. Not really easy but making it work. Hard to leave one side on and get the other side perfect. Having to rig up stuff to hold the 2 sides spread apart. Not enough saw horses apparently

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Think/hope that will do

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One end glued and screwed. Dry time for now. Have to build some spacers next to spread the center apart to help with the angle on the other end. Think it also makes sure the sides are the proper distance while getting the bottom piece set. Not sure, will see how it works when the time comes. Now i have to fog the barn. Getting tore up from skeeters

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The plans give you measurements for where to put the screws which is what all the lines are. They put them pretty close but spaced just enough so they dont touch and still distribute pressure evenly. I used 1 inch counter sunk screws and predrilled the holes with a counter sink bit so the .25 ply didn't split. The plans do call for all this. Calls for stainless screws but could only find zinc, along with the small for the nails I'll use later. I'm going to glass it so I'm not worried about material there. The plans don't glass so they want stainless screws and brass nails.

Figured out that a couple of the other cuts on the bow stems line up a nice edge parallel to the faces that the side mate to. Allows for easy use of the clamps to hold the sides in place while you mark and insert the first 2 screws to hold in place. Didn't notice that earlier. At first it was challenging to figure out how to stand up the sides to fit the second piece, but with some help from the feed cans and saw horses already in play, it was pretty easy.

More to come this weekend around writing another research paper and a test coming up. I'm so tired of school. Can't wait to get these classes done and pass the cpa exam so i can have more free time after 6 years of college.

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Looking good

Couple of things I learned when I built one

1) You don't need to make the cut you spent so much time laying out along the bottom of the side pieces (shallow, long arc). The sides will naturally bow without it and you will have more side depth mid ship which allows more weight

2) there is a way to cut the stern so that it covers the plywood ends. I have some laying around that I will try and remember to post some pics of to show what I am talking about

3) Gorilla glue will still be holding when the rest of the boat is worn and rotting
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Couple of things I learned when I built one

1) You don't need to make the cut you spent so much time laying out along the bottom of the side pieces (shallow, long arc). The sides will naturally bow without it and you will have more side depth mid ship which allows more weight

2) there is a way to cut the stern so that it covers the plywood ends. I have some laying around that I will try and remember to post some pics of to show what I am talking about

3) Gorilla glue will still be holding when the rest of the boat is worn and rotting
Did you build from these same plans? I was wondering about the arch in the sides, but I really like the lines of the boat so I went with it. It calls for a skeg, so I think I'm going to go ahead and extend it up along the front edges to cover up the putty job I'll do and add a little extra strength for my reckless driving skills.
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Very nice project, and you're coming right along! Thanks for sharing the info and techniques your using.
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Did you build from these same plans? I was wondering about the arch in the sides, but I really like the lines of the boat so I went with it. It calls for a skeg, so I think I'm going to go ahead and extend it up along the front edges to cover up the putty job I'll do and add a little extra strength for my reckless driving skills.
No plans

I have a friend that is a draftsman, we looked at every plan and DIY thread we could find online and then drew our own "plans" up

We glued a strip of 1" x 1/2" oak up the center for a keel but stopped it short of the ends by about a foot

Until we glassed the seams we built them in the buddy's dining room
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You still got that belly? You're gonna sink that shallow thing!
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Couple of things I learned when I built one

1) You don't need to make the cut you spent so much time laying out along the bottom of the side pieces (shallow, long arc). The sides will naturally bow without it and you will have more side depth mid ship which allows more weight

2) there is a way to cut the stern so that it covers the plywood ends. I have some laying around that I will try and remember to post some pics of to show what I am talking about

3) Gorilla glue will still be holding when the rest of the boat is worn and rotting
It's true that you don't have to cut the arch in the bottom of the side panels, but your boat will have more rocker without the arch cut. This increases the draft when loaded lightly, and will turn easier but not track as well. If you're lightly loaded and there is any wind, it can be very difficult to paddle a boat with a lot of rocker, as it will want to weather vane.

I built my first one the same way as the OP did, since I used fiberglass tape on all the seams. On the one I built for my father in law, I skipped the fiberglass so I cut the stems from 4x4's like you're talking about. It basically looks like the top 2 sections of how a kid would draw a Christmas tree, so the plywood sits flush inside it. A pain to figure out, but simple to cut on a table saw once you've got the template.

I've never used gorilla glue, it is water activated so I wouldn't trust it. I use Titebond 3 for any joints that fit 100% tight, and PL Premium for anything with a slight gap. Both are cheap and easily found at Home Depot.

http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthre...f-Gorilla-Glue

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