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Old 06-17-2017, 08:01 PM   #1
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big prayers for all, Navy ship collides with merchant ship. with all the toys that's ship has. how could it happen?
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Old 06-17-2017, 08:07 PM   #2
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I was wondering the same thing!
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Old 06-17-2017, 08:13 PM   #3
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I asked the same question earlier, seems to me there are more than one good radar on the ship and that another ship encroaching would signal to someone in plenty of time to avoid an accident
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Old 06-17-2017, 08:20 PM   #4
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Yes, prayers for all involved - especially those still missing.

On the collision and how it happened - Sometimes, easier than you think. Restricted maneuvering, exercises or evolutions being conducted, etc...

In 1999, one of our destroyers, the USS Arthur W. Radford (DD-968) was running calibration tests that required it to go in circles in a certain area off the coast. I was not on that ship, but I've run those same tests with my electronic equipment on four other US Navy ships. It was restricted in it's maneuvering, due to the test. The Saudi Riyadh hit it as they were entering Chesapeake Bay. Although the Radford's Captain got relieved in that instance (and probably will in this instance, just because of the way the Navy works), they said the blame actually laid 65% with the merchant, and 35% with the Radford.

I'm not sure what happened in this instance, as there is a full bridge crew and probably a full crew in the Combat Information Center on watch to avoid these kinds of things. But when big ships get in unplanned close proximity to each other, things can go to heck really quick. They don't exactly turn or stop on a dime, and sometimes the ship that is in the "right" ends up getting hit regardless of whether they were right or wrong.

I'm going to wait to hear what happened before I start coming to conclusions.

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Old 06-17-2017, 08:22 PM   #5
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I asked the same question earlier, seems to me there are more than one good radar on the ship and that another ship encroaching would signal to someone in plenty of time to avoid an accident
I'm guessing here but I'm betting some people are fired are what ever the Navy does. No way another ship should get close to a destroyer. Prayers sent for the missing people.
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Old 06-17-2017, 08:23 PM   #6
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Old 06-17-2017, 08:30 PM   #7
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The area where the wreck happened is known for heavy maritime traffic, the Japanese coast guard said. About 400 to 500 ships pass through the zone each day, the service said.

The last known fatal incident there was in September 2015, when a South Korean vessel and a Japanese container ship collided, Japan's coast guard reported. Six Japanese crew were declared dead.

The area has seen two other major collisions in the past five years.
In such a busy shipping lane, the ships may have been in a "restricted navigation" situation, meaning they would have had o observe strict rules for movement and positioning in relation to other vessels in their vicinity, said Carl Schuster, former director of operations at the US Pacific Command's Joint Intelligence Center and a Hawaii Pacific University professor.

Those rules leave vessels little room to maneuver, as turning away from one ship could place a vessel at risk of an even more serious incident with another, Schuster said.

The Fitzgerald is an Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer with a crew of approximately 330 sailors. The 10,000-ton vessel is 505 feet long.
It completed $21 million in upgrades and repairs in February and is forward-deployed to Yokosuka, supporting security and stability in the Indo-Asia-Pacific region, the service said.

The 29,000-ton container ship, which handles general cargo, includes a captain and a crew of 20, NYK said. It was built in 2008 and is about 730 feet long.
The larger size of the container ship could have left the smaller US destroyer vulnerable in the collision, Schuster said.

...The collision was the second in the region for US Navy warship in just more than a month. On May 9, the guided-missile cruiser USS Lake Champlain was struck by a South Korean fishing boat off the Korean Peninsula.
No injuries were reported in that incident, which a Navy official said occurred when the fishing boat's crew did not have a radio to hear warnings from the US warship.

The guided-missile cruiser USS Antietam ran aground in late January while anchoring near Yokosuka, damaging its propellers and discharging 1,100 gallons of hydraulic oil into the bay.
From: http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/16/politi...pan/index.html
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Old 06-18-2017, 09:37 AM   #8
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pray that everyone is ok.
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Old 06-18-2017, 12:11 PM   #9
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Unfortunately, the seven missing sailors were found in flooded berthing compartments after the ship made it back to port. May they rest in peace.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/17/us/mis...und/index.html

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Old 06-18-2017, 04:35 PM   #10
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What a mess.....ouch!

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Old 06-18-2017, 07:44 PM   #11
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Unfortunately, the seven missing sailors were found in flooded berthing compartments after the ship made it back to port. May they rest in peace.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/17/us/mis...und/index.html

All the best,
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Old 06-19-2017, 08:16 AM   #12
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Taking a moment to honor the sailors that paid the ultimate sacrifice onboard USS Fitzgerald:

- Gunner’s Mate Seaman Dakota Kyle Rigsby, 19, from Palmyra, Virginia
- Yeoman 3rd Class Shingo Alexander Douglass, 25, from San Diego, California
- Sonar Technician 3rd Class Ngoc T Truong Huynh, 25, from Oakville, Connecticut
- Gunner’s Mate 2nd Class Noe Hernandez, 26, from Weslaco, Texas
- Fire Controlman 2nd Class Carlosvictor Ganzon Sibayan, 23, from Chula Vista, California
- Personnel Specialist 1st Class Xavier Alec Martin, 24, from Halethorpe, Maryland
- Fire Controlman 1st Class Gary Leo Rehm Jr., 37, from Elyria, Ohio

All the best,
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Old 06-28-2017, 06:51 AM   #13
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Im almost convinced it was either a terror attack or an act of war.
Now i only base this on youtube vids but the conspiracy theories i have seen do seem to make some since.
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Old 06-28-2017, 08:55 AM   #14
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Im almost convinced it was either a terror attack or an act of war.
Now i only base this on youtube vids but the conspiracy theories i have seen do seem to make some since.
I don't know..Not saying that it isn't a real possibility, but I think it was just incompetence on both ends. I served in the Navy for 4 years. My job was an Operations Specialist, I dealt with radar navigation, charts, and tracking of all contacts. When I saw this, the first thing I thought of was where are the lookouts? We always have lookouts 24/7 unless there is really bad weather (rain/lightning). But I know for a fact, the lookouts that work during normal underway steaming can be lazy as heck. I have gone up to the lookout deck and found them passed out on watch. Their supervisor works inside with TOP supervisor (which was me). My second question is what radars were active/did the TOP supervisor have running? In high traffic areas (which this was considered) we tend to shut off the longer range radars because of to much interference. If there is to much interference you can get a very cluttered picture. So more than likely the had the furuno and the SPS-73 or equivalent. Personally, the furuno is a piece of garbage, I almost exclusively used the 73, it was just simpler to adjust. But, depending on weather and traffic, maybe there was some interference, a lot of times you will get what is called wraparound. Rap around is when you have a contact at say bearing 360, you get good radar return on it, but you are also picking up a contact at 180. Sure it can be a contact, but if there is a lot of water particle or dust in the air, this could be wraparound, so essentially it is a ghost track. But, it comes down to the TOP supervisor working with the lookouts to identify if a track is wraparound, unfortunately this does not happen. No on the the tanker... The first thing I read was that the ship was on auto-pilot, and there was data that showed the ship was on auto-pilot and adjusted its track to steer away from the ship, then re-adjusted back to its original course (the collision course). Then the ships hit and the tanker continued on for 30 minutes then turned around? That is pretty sketchy. Now the captain of the tanker is saying that they warned the navy ship? But still went on for 30 minutes after the collision... The OOD, JOOD will more than likely be fired. The TOP supervisor and the boatswain mate of the watch will more than likely get kicked out with an OTH. Any watch standers working in TOP or as a lookout will probably loose a rank but be put on probation for 6 months and get to keep their rank.
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Old 07-12-2017, 06:40 AM   #15
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Same here.
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Old 07-13-2017, 04:33 PM   #16
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Im almost convinced it was either a terror attack or an act of war.
Now i only base this on youtube vids but the conspiracy theories i have seen do seem to make some since.
Link to the conspiracy theories?
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Old 07-13-2017, 06:00 PM   #17
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Link to the conspiracy theories?
Look them up your self
If our greatest technology combined with highly trained men and women cant avoid a giant ship in calm seas on a night with 10 miles + visability.......we are in trouble......would you not agree?
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