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Old 06-07-2017, 09:05 PM   #1
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Default What are the pro's / con's of PR becoming a state?

Will the citizens of PR ( who need it ) automatically get welfare and other benefits? Do they already grt benefits?
Do the rest of us grt to bail them out, are we already bailing them out?
http://thehill.com/latino/336667-pue...-for-statehood
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Old 06-07-2017, 09:11 PM   #2
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Half of the major leaguers could call themselves Americans instead of Puerto Ricans.

(yes....I know that PR is pretty much considered America already).
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Old 06-07-2017, 09:56 PM   #3
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Might as well add them. Then Texas can succeed, Join with Mexico and become The New Central America!


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I see zero pro's & a ton of con's.
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Old 06-08-2017, 08:01 AM   #5
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They are given USA passports so they are Americans
Although they can't vote in POTUS elections
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Old 06-08-2017, 08:11 AM   #6
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Limit the number of states to 50. Grant PR statehood, and make Kalifornia a territory and revoke its voting rights.


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Old 06-08-2017, 08:26 AM   #7
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More people that will vote for handouts.
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Old 06-08-2017, 08:32 AM   #8
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They are given USA passports so they are Americans
Although they can't vote in POTUS elections
Do they recieve benefits like food stamps, ss, welfare, obamacare?
These are things i dont know but am curious about.
Are they only interested in statehood in order for current citizens to absorb their debt .
PR has been run by irresponsible politicians for quite a while and just like i dont want to bail out Cali, Detroit, or any other lib run entities i think any discussion of statehood should only be considered after they get their **** together
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What does their becoming a state benefit the rest of the union?

I flew in & out of there a few months ago as a tourist and we used to refuel there (@ Roosevelt Roads Naval station) when I was in the Coast Guard, the place doesn't look that appealing to me as far as infrastructure goes.
Having a presence in the Caribbean is of some value, but we also have the Virgin Islands for that.

Speaking of the Coast Guard- we had a few Puerto Ricans (3 I can remember offhand) serving as US coasties on a ship I was on, so they can evidently enlist and serve but not be citizens? I remember their security clearances were on the lower end of the scale, but that might have been more based on who they were as individuals and not there country of origin.
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Old 06-08-2017, 09:03 AM   #10
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Do they recieve benefits like food stamps, ss, welfare, obamacare?
These are things i dont know but am curious about.
Are they only interested in statehood in order for current citizens to absorb their debt .
PR has been run by irresponsible politicians for quite a while and just like i dont want to bail out Cali, Detroit, or any other lib run entities i think any discussion of statehood should only be considered after they get their **** together
Yes.
Something like 25% to 40% of Puerto Ricans receive food stamps in Puerto Rico
I think US Virgin Islands numbers are just as high (please google).

PR is a (close in proximity) US territory so US gov won't let them totally fall by the wayside like Venezuela

PR will get bailed out like AMTRAK
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What does their becoming a state benefit the rest of the union?

I flew in & out of there a few months ago as a tourist and we used to refuel there (@ Roosevelt Roads Naval station) when I was in the Coast Guard, the place doesn't look that appealing to me as far as infrastructure goes.
Having a presence in the Caribbean is of some value, but we also have the Virgin Islands for that.

Speaking of the Coast Guard- we had a few Puerto Ricans (3 I can remember offhand) serving as US coasties on a ship I was on, so they can evidently enlist and serve but not be citizens? I remember their security clearances were on the lower end of the scale, but that might have been more based on who they were as individuals and not there country of origin.
1. You judged an entire island by the way the airport looked. That's smart.

2. Puerto Ricans ARE US CITIZENS. To vote for the POTUS all they need is to claim a US address (ie use the cousin's house in The Bronx)
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1. You judged an entire island by the way the airport looked. That's smart.



No, we were taxied to and fro, stayed in a condo, went to the beach and visited a fort and what not- you know- did touristy stuff.

But whatever.
I guess my limited exposure with my simple mind should void any opinion I formed while I was there.
Pot holed streets and empty buildings partitioned off with cyclone fencing must have been a figment of my imagination.



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Old 06-08-2017, 10:33 AM   #13
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No, we were taxied to and fro, stayed in a condo, went to the beach and visited a fort and what not- you know- did touristy stuff.

But whatever.
I guess my limited exposure with my simple mind should void any opinion I formed while I was there.
Pot holed streets and empty buildings partitioned off with cyclone fencing must have been a figment of my imagination.



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From what i have read and heard a whole lot of the island is as you describe.
Areas where poverty and crime is terrible, unemployment is high.
Seems to me that there is no benefit to allowing them to become a state.
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We have enough people in the wagon. We don't need more. What we need is more people pulling said wagon. With the number of our own States bankrupt or on the verge, we don't need to add another blood sucking problem.
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If they did we would assume all their debt as with no jobs available most of them would be there for the handouts. So I say no!
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Old 06-08-2017, 07:38 PM   #16
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They are given USA passports so they are Americans
Although they can't vote in POTUS elections


Please tell me how they will make this country better? What will they bring to the table?
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No, we were taxied to and fro, stayed in a condo, went to the beach and visited a fort and what not- you know- did touristy stuff.

But whatever.
I guess my limited exposure with my simple mind should void any opinion I formed while I was there.
Pot holed streets and empty buildings partitioned off with cyclone fencing must have been a figment of my imagination.



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Old 06-08-2017, 10:32 PM   #18
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Median incomes:
USA - $51k
PR - $19k
You decide who loses and who benefits
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More people that will vote for handouts.
Yep--and 2 more senators and at least one more representative in congress . . . Both are cons to me---as in my opinion they would most likely be liberals.
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Please tell me how they will make this country better? What will they bring to the table?
They
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Understand this.
They have the same rights and privileges that you do.
All they need to do is use their cousin's Carlito from da Bronx address and they can vote for Hillary, Schumer and Spitzer.

There are more Puerto Ricans living in NYC than there are living on that island.
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Never mind him. He's a tool.
Hrrmmm
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Old 06-10-2017, 09:26 AM   #22
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Yep--and 2 more senators and at least one more representative in congress . . . Both are cons to me---as in my opinion they would most likely be liberals.
DC doesn't have any of that.
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DC doesn't have any of that.
That's cute. Washington D.C. is not a State.
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That's cute. Washington D.C. is not a State.
But they have all the other benefits of being a state like their residents can get welfare and Social Security.
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But they have all the other benefits of being a state like their residents can get welfare and Social Security.

That could not have better proven the point to deny Statehood to Puerto Rico.
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All that would do is add thousands of new Democrats to the voting population.
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All that would do is add thousands of new Democrats to the voting population.
I thought Latinos were said to be more Republican leaning than demos?
Cubans???
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That could not have better proven the point to deny Statehood to Puerto Rico.
They are eligible for these things even without statehood.
The barn door had been left open in this one decades ago.
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They are eligible for these things even without statehood.
The barn door had been left open in this one decades ago.
You continue to underscore everyone's point. By your logic, our Country set a precedent with poor management thus, we should stay the course because a precedent has been set.

How about this? Let's stop the hemorrhaging of what remains of our Constitution and treasury and quit buying into every idiotic whim that comes down the pike. If you're broke, you don't whip out a credit card to buy a donut machine.
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I thought Latinos were said to be more Republican leaning than demos?
Cubans???
I guess you've never looked at an election map.
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I guess you've never looked at an election map.
Supposedly The Latinos Catholic background wouldhave them leaning more conservative as they are against abortion.

At least that was a GOP talking point pre-2012
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Supposedly The Latinos Catholic background wouldhave them leaning more conservative as they are against abortion.

At least that was a GOP talking point pre-2012
Obviously your supposedly is incorrect.
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Supposedly The Latinos Catholic background wouldhave them leaning more conservative as they are against abortion.

At least that was a GOP talking point pre-2012
I'm not sure what history you have read but everything I have witnessed and studied says they vote 85% liberal wacko. Yes, their Catholic faith and supposed strong family ties SHOULD cause them to dive into the conservative pond but alas, this is not the case. I suppose gubmint table scraps trump protecting unborn babies, family values and righteous living. Oh, yeah...no pun intended.
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If the population of PR were predominantly conservative voters, the lefty's in the US would be holding protests against granting statehood.
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Obviously your supposedly is incorrect.
Yup...The Rio Grande Valley is vastly & prominently Catholic & they don't give a hoot about it. The call themselves 'La Maquina' or the voting Machine & have been running blue with hard left representation without representation. Pro life & pro gun area, but none of that matters when you have gluttons for entitlements. Values mean nothing.
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I sure hope PR doesn't become a state because they bring nothing posotive to the table.

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If the population of PR were predominantly conservative voters, the lefty's in the US would be holding protests against granting statehood.
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I don't think PR statehood is a great idea. On the other hand, if PR can hold a popular referendum and successfully gain statehood, it seems more reasonable that Texas could hold a popular referendum and successfully give up statehood in favor of independence. If the door opens, it should open both ways, IMO.
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I don't think PR statehood is a great idea. On the other hand, if PR can hold a popular referendum and successfully gain statehood, it seems more reasonable that Texas could hold a popular referendum and successfully give up statehood in favor of independence. If the door opens, it should open both ways, IMO.
Good point. If that becomes the case then I'm all for it!
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Supposedly The Latinos Catholic background wouldhave them leaning more conservative as they are against abortion.

At least that was a GOP talking point pre-2012

The Democratic party here in the US and left leaning politics across the globe have a strong foothold in the Catholic church.
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Con-They are bankrupt and we would take on that debt too.


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