Used auto purchase - Did not disclose wreck - TexasBowhunter.com Community Discussion Forums

JJtomball · 07-16-2017, 04:49 PM

Is there any recourse I may have.
I purchased a used auto from a dealer and they did not disclose it had been wrecked.
I asked and was told no. I check car fax and nothing was reported.
They did a decent job on the repair and hiding the frame repair.
It was purchased as is and no warranty, but the salesman lied about it being wrecked. They also painted the frame with bed liner to hide the damage.

What say you GS.

12RingKing · 07-16-2017, 04:51 PM

I don't think you have a leg to stand on, honestly.

It sucks, but I think you're On your own

Jakesfish · 07-16-2017, 04:52 PM

yes you do, if they told you it was NOT wrecked, thats deceptive practice, go back to the dealer, and start climbing the ladder..!! Be the squeaky wheel....

If the dealer has a facebook page, be the guy who does a review and rake them across the coals...

dont give up after a day, be diligent, be heard..........

MisterSanders · 07-16-2017, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jakesfish

yes you do, if they told you it was NOT wrecked, thats deceptive practice, go back to the dealer, and start climbing the ladder..!! Be the squeaky wheel....

If the dealer has a facebook page, be the guy who does a review and rake them across the coals...

dont give up after a day, be diligent, be heard..........

this

Traildust · 07-16-2017, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jakesfish

yes you do, if they told you it was NOT wrecked, thats deceptive practice, go back to the dealer, and start climbing the ladder..!! Be the squeaky wheel....

If the dealer has a facebook page, be the guy who does a review and rake them across the coals...

Only if the Dealership knew about it. Thought carfax had a buyback deal?

JJtomball · 07-16-2017, 05:38 PM

It was bought at one of those small road side dealers not a big lot.
I'm not too upset as it's a deer lease truck, but would not have paid what I did if he told the truth that it was wrecked.
The repair is good and frame looks straight, but....

JJtomball · 07-16-2017, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Traildust

Only if the Dealership knew about it. Thought carfax had a buyback deal?

For carfax buyback the problem has to have been reported to the DMV and not show up on the carfax report.

FF36 · 07-16-2017, 05:45 PM

Lemon Law?

Dang_ol · 07-16-2017, 05:50 PM

I know someone that bought one from texas auto, he had truck less then a year and decided he wanted a jeep. went to trade it in and they found out it had been totaled. He took it back to texas auto, they said they would not do anything about it until he said his lawyer aready knew about it and he would be calling his lawyer back to let him know texas auto would not correct the problem. They asked my buddy if there was a jeep they had he would be interested in and would swap out with him.

BTLowry · 07-16-2017, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Traildust

Only if the Dealership knew about it. Thought carfax had a buyback deal?

This

Would be difficult for you to prove they knew if no paperwork trail

SCREAMINREELS · 07-16-2017, 06:31 PM

Who did the repair? Does a dealer have more responsibility than an individual? What if you sold it before you found out you would also claim it hadn't been wrecked. Could the next buyer come back against you? Another reason to have a used car checked out by your TRUSTED mechanic

MySRT8U · 07-16-2017, 06:32 PM

I doubt there is much you can do. If it's not on the carfax all the dealer has to do is say they didn't know about and they checked the carfax

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flywise · 07-16-2017, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MySRT8U

I doubt there is much you can do. If it's not on the carfax all the dealer has to do is say they didn't know about and they checked the carfax

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This^^^^^^^

6.5 shooter · 07-16-2017, 07:57 PM

You are stuck with it. This is why a pre purchase check is important.

pilar · 07-16-2017, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JJtomball

It was bought at one of those small road side dealers not a big lot.
I'm not too upset as it's a deer lease truck, but would not have paid what I did if he told the truth that it was wrecked.
The repair is good and frame looks straight, but....

They bought it at action probably, did they tote the note for you

classic scam by roadside dealers

thorthunder · 07-16-2017, 08:52 PM

Texas is a "as is" state. Good luck.....

pilar · 07-16-2017, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by thorthunder

Texas is a "as is" state. Good luck.....

Yep ! Ask me I found out the hard way

Huggybear · 07-16-2017, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pilar

They bought it at action probably, did they tote the note for you

classic scam by roadside dealers

All car lots buy from the auction. How do you think you can buy a dodge at a Toyota dealership or so on????

MySRT8U · 07-16-2017, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Huggybear

All car lots buy from the auction. How do you think you can buy a dodge at a Toyota dealership or so on????

Most big boys don't buy from auction. If you buy a dodge at a Toyota dealer, chances are it's a trade in

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4R Daddy · 07-16-2017, 09:29 PM

Was it Earth Motor Cars by chance? They have a history of doing that crap. They even gave me a bogus Carfax.

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Horn chaser · 07-16-2017, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MySRT8U

Most big boys don't buy from auction. If you buy a dodge at a Toyota dealer, chances are it's a trade in

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Say what?? Not the big box dealers around here they get their used cars from trade ins and auctions both. If they don't have any trade ins that fit their sales demand they buy them at auction.

Traildust · 07-16-2017, 09:45 PM

So what did we learn here fellers?

Carfax, Auto Check and all them others are completely B S!

Just like that Dealers Invoice they show you!

mchildress · 07-17-2017, 12:11 AM

Had a friend buy a used truck and noticed a few days later the inspection sticker mileage was 25,000 miles more than the odometer read. He took it back to the dealer and they made it right with him.

Pullersboy · 07-17-2017, 01:15 AM

I have run into several occasions where I found out that carfax wasn't accurate. I will use the carfax report as a preliminary method of decided if a vehicle is worth looking at, but I don't trust it in the least bit.

Texas8point · 07-17-2017, 05:07 AM

Unless the vehicle was totaled and has a reconditioned title and that wasn't disclosed..... You probably have a chance.
If the vehicle was just wrecked but not totaled you have zero chance of getting any money back.

12RingKing · 07-17-2017, 05:15 AM

Problem with carfax and the similar sites is that not everything is reported. Generally if you don't utilize your insurance to repair a vehicle, it isn't reported.

There may be other ways to keep it off a carfax, but I know that insurance claims put it on the vin

basschsr · 07-17-2017, 06:13 AM

You will only have a legal case if the title is a salvage title that wasn't disclosed. Otherwise, if it wasn't on the carfax or DMV records, like others said, they can deny knowledge of any damage.

WItoTX · 07-17-2017, 06:58 AM

My bet is it wasn't totaled, therefore nothing to disclose. Frame repairs happen more than you think. As long as it wasn't too bad, a frame repair is no different than fixing a dent in a door, and no dealer is going to disclose a door dent.

Charles · 07-17-2017, 07:14 AM

How did you determine it was wrecked?

What proof do you have the salesman knew it was wrecked?

Huggybear · 07-17-2017, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MySRT8U

Most big boys don't buy from auction. If you buy a dodge at a Toyota dealer, chances are it's a trade in

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Lmao! EVERY DEALER BUYS AT THE AUCTION.

Quackerbox · 07-17-2017, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by 12RingKing

Problem with carfax and the similar sites is that not everything is reported. Generally if you don't utilize your insurance to repair a vehicle, it isn't reported.

There may be other ways to keep it off a carfax, but I know that insurance claims put it on the vin

Bingo.

Not all shops report. That was a huge wrecker company "hustle" on the streets

JJtomball · 07-17-2017, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Charles

How did you determine it was wrecked?

What proof do you have the salesman knew it was wrecked?

The frame looks like a new front corner welded on.
Dealer did the undercoating and painting.

Kdog · 07-17-2017, 09:07 AM

I don't know the answer to your question, but I do know it sucks to be mislead/lied to.

Good luck, hopefully the repair was good and you don't have any problems.

Charles · 07-17-2017, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JJtomball

The frame looks like a new front corner welded on.
Dealer did the undercoating and painting.

Let us know the outcome.

Bruiser · 07-17-2017, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by FF36

Lemon Law?

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha next thing you will say to report to the BBB lolololo

Mike D · 07-17-2017, 01:42 PM

Yep this is why Carfax sucks. All information submitted to them is strictly voluntary.

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JJtomball · 07-17-2017, 02:46 PM

Don't know if it is worth fighting. This is a 26 year old $4,000 truck for the deer lease.
Sounds like I don't have much to stand on sooo.

duckmanep · 07-17-2017, 03:30 PM

I had a dealer tell me first hand that they didn't report all their onsite body work to carfax. obviously i moved on down the road.

7m STW · 07-17-2017, 03:43 PM

I dont think its worth fighting but I would be sure to run theyre reputation in the mud publicly.

Maxlab · 07-17-2017, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MySRT8U

Most big boys don't buy from auction. If you buy a dodge at a Toyota dealer, chances are it's a trade in

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All the Big Name Boys in San Antonio buy at the Auction. This I know for sure 100%.

BrianL · 07-17-2017, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JJtomball

Don't know if it is worth fighting. This is a 26 year old $4,000 truck for the deer lease.
Sounds like I don't have much to stand on sooo.

You don't have much chance, and correctly repaired damage on that type vehicle really doesn't change the value any.

07-16-2017, 04:49 PM	#1
JJtomball Four Point Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Tomball Hunt In: Mertzon	Used auto purchase - Did not disclose wreck Is there any recourse I may have. I purchased a used auto from a dealer and they did not disclose it had been wrecked. I asked and was told no. I check car fax and nothing was reported. They did a decent job on the repair and hiding the frame repair. It was purchased as is and no warranty, but the salesman lied about it being wrecked. They also painted the frame with bed liner to hide the damage. What say you GS.

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07-16-2017, 04:51 PM	#2
12RingKing Pope & Young Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Lake Jackson Hunt In: The Grocery Store...	I don't think you have a leg to stand on, honestly. It sucks, but I think you're On your own

07-16-2017, 04:52 PM	#3
Jakesfish Ten Point Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Irving Hunt In: Young, San Saba, Cass counties	yes you do, if they told you it was NOT wrecked, thats deceptive practice, go back to the dealer, and start climbing the ladder..!! Be the squeaky wheel.... If the dealer has a facebook page, be the guy who does a review and rake them across the coals... dont give up after a day, be diligent, be heard..........

07-16-2017, 05:38 PM	#6
JJtomball Four Point Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Tomball Hunt In: Mertzon	It was bought at one of those small road side dealers not a big lot. I'm not too upset as it's a deer lease truck, but would not have paid what I did if he told the truth that it was wrecked. The repair is good and frame looks straight, but....

07-16-2017, 05:45 PM	#8
FF36 Six Point Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Stephenville Hunt In: Laneville/Erath County	Lemon Law?

07-16-2017, 05:50 PM	#9
Dang_ol Four Point Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: huffman Hunt In: Corrigan,TX, louisiana, colorado	I know someone that bought one from texas auto, he had truck less then a year and decided he wanted a jeep. went to trade it in and they found out it had been totaled. He took it back to texas auto, they said they would not do anything about it until he said his lawyer aready knew about it and he would be calling his lawyer back to let him know texas auto would not correct the problem. They asked my buddy if there was a jeep they had he would be interested in and would swap out with him.

07-16-2017, 06:31 PM	#11
SCREAMINREELS Pope & Young Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Tomball Hunt In: Brenham, SHNF	Who did the repair? Does a dealer have more responsibility than an individual? What if you sold it before you found out you would also claim it hadn't been wrecked. Could the next buyer come back against you? Another reason to have a used car checked out by your TRUSTED mechanic

07-16-2017, 06:32 PM	#12
MySRT8U Pope & Young Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Schertz Hunt In: Boerne and anywhere else I can find	I doubt there is much you can do. If it's not on the carfax all the dealer has to do is say they didn't know about and they checked the carfax Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

07-16-2017, 07:57 PM	#14
6.5 shooter Six Point Join Date: Jan 2017	You are stuck with it. This is why a pre purchase check is important.

07-16-2017, 08:52 PM	#16
thorthunder Pope & Young Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Houston Hunt In: Mainly Guide Now	Texas is a "as is" state. Good luck.....

07-16-2017, 09:29 PM	#20
4R Daddy Ten Point Join Date: Oct 2009 Hunt In: Ranger	Was it Earth Motor Cars by chance? They have a history of doing that crap. They even gave me a bogus Carfax. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

07-16-2017, 09:45 PM	#22
Traildust Pope & Young Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Alvin, Texas	So what did we learn here fellers? Carfax, Auto Check and all them others are completely B S! Just like that Dealers Invoice they show you!

07-17-2017, 12:11 AM	#23
mchildress Ten Point Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sealy,Tx Hunt In: Polk	Had a friend buy a used truck and noticed a few days later the inspection sticker mileage was 25,000 miles more than the odometer read. He took it back to the dealer and they made it right with him.

07-17-2017, 01:15 AM	#24
Pullersboy Pope & Young Join Date: May 2013 Location: Weatherford Hunt In: Erath & Hamilton Counties.	I have run into several occasions where I found out that carfax wasn't accurate. I will use the carfax report as a preliminary method of decided if a vehicle is worth looking at, but I don't trust it in the least bit.

07-17-2017, 05:07 AM	#25
Texas8point Pope & Young Join Date: Nov 2010 Hunt In: Buffalo and Juno, Texas	Unless the vehicle was totaled and has a reconditioned title and that wasn't disclosed..... You probably have a chance. If the vehicle was just wrecked but not totaled you have zero chance of getting any money back.

07-17-2017, 05:15 AM	#26
12RingKing Pope & Young Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Lake Jackson Hunt In: The Grocery Store...	Problem with carfax and the similar sites is that not everything is reported. Generally if you don't utilize your insurance to repair a vehicle, it isn't reported. There may be other ways to keep it off a carfax, but I know that insurance claims put it on the vin

07-17-2017, 06:13 AM	#27
basschsr Eight Point Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Kemp, TX Hunt In: Paint Rock	You will only have a legal case if the title is a salvage title that wasn't disclosed. Otherwise, if it wasn't on the carfax or DMV records, like others said, they can deny knowledge of any damage.

07-17-2017, 06:58 AM	#28
WItoTX Ten Point Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Katy Hunt In: Wisconsin	My bet is it wasn't totaled, therefore nothing to disclose. Frame repairs happen more than you think. As long as it wasn't too bad, a frame repair is no different than fixing a dent in a door, and no dealer is going to disclose a door dent.

07-17-2017, 07:14 AM	#29
Charles Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2006	How did you determine it was wrecked? What proof do you have the salesman knew it was wrecked?

07-17-2017, 09:07 AM	#33
Kdog Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Cibolo, TX Hunt In: Kinney County, TX/Wisconsin/Manitoba Canada	I don't know the answer to your question, but I do know it sucks to be mislead/lied to. Good luck, hopefully the repair was good and you don't have any problems.

07-17-2017, 01:42 PM	#36
Mike D Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: North Texas Hunt In: Haskell County, TX	Yep this is why Carfax sucks. All information submitted to them is strictly voluntary. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

07-17-2017, 02:46 PM	#37
JJtomball Four Point Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Tomball Hunt In: Mertzon	Don't know if it is worth fighting. This is a 26 year old $4,000 truck for the deer lease. Sounds like I don't have much to stand on sooo.

07-17-2017, 03:30 PM	#38
duckmanep Ten Point Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Northeast TX	I had a dealer tell me first hand that they didn't report all their onsite body work to carfax. obviously i moved on down the road.

07-17-2017, 03:43 PM	#39
7m STW Six Point Join Date: May 2015 Location: Midland Hunt In: Webb Co.	I dont think its worth fighting but I would be sure to run theyre reputation in the mud publicly.