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Old 07-16-2017, 08:58 AM   #1
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I have my sight raised all the way up and I'm shooting about 2-3 inches high at 20 yards? I can't raise it anymore. What other kind of adjustment can I make? I'm slightly high on my rest when I see if the arrow is centered on the bolt hole on my riser? If I lower that, how much will it change it? I just didn't want to lower that and my nocking point. I figured I just save some time and ask the experts.
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Old 07-16-2017, 09:08 AM   #2
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Lowering the rest will move it, but you need to shoot it through paper to make sure it doesn't give you a knock high

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Old 07-16-2017, 09:19 AM   #3
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I'm sure it will and I'll have to change my knocking point on my string. Is that my only option? What about moving the pins in the sight itself?
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Old 07-16-2017, 09:24 AM   #4
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Take it to a pro shop and let them set it up for you. Has it ever been tuned?
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Old 07-16-2017, 09:28 AM   #5
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I tuned it yesterday. Shooting perfect through paper right now.
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Old 07-16-2017, 09:29 AM   #6
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I had it turned down to close to 60lbs last year. I cranked it up to 70 yesterday then paper tuned it.
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High high is your peep sight from nock? Post pic if you can
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Old 07-16-2017, 09:42 AM   #8
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I'm sure it will and I'll have to change my knocking point on my string. Is that my only option? What about moving the pins in the sight itself?
If that's an option that's what I'd do
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Old 07-16-2017, 09:58 AM   #9
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High high is your peep sight from nock? Post pic if you can




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Old 07-16-2017, 09:59 AM   #10
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Old 07-16-2017, 10:11 AM   #11
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And there's your problem. Your form has to be waaaay off to be shooting through a peep that high up the string. Go to a shop for help

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Old 07-16-2017, 10:14 AM   #12
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Where should I be?
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Old 07-16-2017, 10:38 AM   #13
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Depending on Release type



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And there's your problem. Your form has to be waaaay off to be shooting through a peep that high up the string. Go to a shop for help
Yep. 6"ish is the common range +/- 1/2"
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Old 07-16-2017, 12:59 PM   #15
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Now I wish I had a bow press.


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Old 07-16-2017, 01:00 PM   #16
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Old 07-16-2017, 02:14 PM   #17
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Spend that money on some private lessons with a qualified instructor. You'll be amazed. I'm not insulting you. It's something 100 percent of the bowhunters here could use as well. Myself included.
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Old 07-16-2017, 10:18 PM   #18
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Definitely looks like your peep is to high. Had a pro shop help me with mine. He had me close my eyes and draw bow and anchor. Keeping my head straight. Then I was told to open eyes, at the point where my eyes where in relation to anchor point and string, that gave a starting point to where the peep should be. Hope the made sense.
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Old 07-16-2017, 10:22 PM   #19
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I see you are in Salado. I am frequently at Double G. I can help you and the owners certainly can too.
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Old 07-16-2017, 10:38 PM   #20
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So what problems does it create with your peep being too high?

Mine is pretty high but I'll have to measure it when I get home in the morning.

When I close my eyes and come to full draw, I'm lined up perfectly with my peep to sight.
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Old 07-16-2017, 10:43 PM   #21
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So what problems does it create with your peep being too high?

Mine is pretty high but I'll have to measure it when I get home in the morning.

When I close my eyes and come to full draw, I'm lined up perfectly with my peep to sight.
You'd shoot high and run outta sight clearance/movement for one. For two, it most likely means anchor point/form isn't correct which leads to other problems. Draw length could be wrong etc...

Note pics above. String run at corner of mouth? Nose on string? Etc...

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So what problems does it create with your peep being too high?

Mine is pretty high but I'll have to measure it when I get home in the morning.

When I close my eyes and come to full draw, I'm lined up perfectly with my peep to sight.
Peep high, usually is anchor low. This puts muscles and joints in a "not as forgiving " or repeatable position. As far as how the bow will shoot out of an error free machine.... it affects nothing
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Thanks!
I'll check mine in the morning and measure it. It might not be as high as I'm thinking.
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I'll check mine in the morning and measure it. It might not be as high as I'm thinking.
6" for a taller person isn't unusual
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Old 07-16-2017, 10:56 PM   #25
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Listen to Fishndude, he knows what he is talking about and with an 8" distance between your nock and peep sight, I would bet that you have a floating anchor and possible to long a draw length. You have to be anchoring somewhere around your neck and not on the side of your face in a solid anchor. Just guessing.
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Old 07-17-2017, 12:10 AM   #26
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6" for a taller person isn't unusual
I'm 6' 1". I'll see in the morning.

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Listen to Fishndude, he knows what he is talking about and with an 8" distance between your nock and peep sight, I would bet that you have a floating anchor and possible to long a draw length. You have to be anchoring somewhere around your neck and not on the side of your face in a solid anchor. Just guessing.
I anchor with my first knuckle on my ear lobe and I put my thumb on the back of my neck. (No pressure on the back of my neck from my thumb)

Not meaning to hijack the OP's thread. Just being curious.
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Old 07-17-2017, 07:31 AM   #27
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Well, my peep wasn't as high as I thought it was. It's exactly 6".
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Old 07-17-2017, 09:06 AM   #28
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I use double g. I will go there to move my peep.


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usually means there is an anchor point issue
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Nothing wrong with going to Double G to get it done, but if you want some one on one coaching you can come out to the house and we can get you set up.

One on one coaching for form is invaluable and I have everything needed to do what needs to be done to the bow. I don't sell anything, I only coach and tune; if anything needs to be bought you can buy from a local shop before you come over.

5125257299 I am in Bertram.

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Nothing wrong with going to Double G to get it done, but if you want some one on one coaching you can come out to the house and we can get you set up.

One on one coaching for form is invaluable and I have everything needed to do what needs to be done to the bow. I don't sell anything, I only coach and tune; if anything needs to be bought you can buy from a local shop before you come over.

5125257299 I am in Bertram.

Bring a 12 pack of Shiner, that's my fee.
Here's an offer that shouldn't be refused.
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Nothing wrong with going to Double G to get it done, but if you want some one on one coaching you can come out to the house and we can get you set up.

One on one coaching for form is invaluable and I have everything needed to do what needs to be done to the bow. I don't sell anything, I only coach and tune; if anything needs to be bought you can buy from a local shop before you come over.

5125257299 I am in Bertram.

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Here's an offer that shouldn't be refused.

I agree with RAT and Jeff .... You better be sending a PM, that's a steal
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Old 07-17-2017, 10:43 AM   #33
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I just had my daughter born at 8:29 this morning. I'm out of commission for awhile. I'll take you up on that soon though.


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Congrats. that's awesome
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I anchor with my first knuckle on my ear lobe and I put my thumb on the back of my neck. (No pressure on the back of my neck from my thumb)

Not meaning to hijack the OP's thread. Just being curious.
Why do you put your thumb on the back of your neck?
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If you do go see Rat, take a 12 pack for yourself. He can nock them back.
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Why do you put your thumb on the back of your neck?
Honestly I don't know. It's just something I started doing a while back.
Is that a bad habit?
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Honestly I don't know. It's just something I started doing a while back.
Is that a bad habit?
Yes!!! "Thumbnecker!!"

Most likely means you're punching the trigger instead of pulling thru the shot.
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Yes!!! "Thumbnecker!!"

Most likely means you're punching the trigger instead of pulling thru the shot.
That's one of the nicest names I've been called in a while!

I suspect this could be causing some of the accuracy issues I've been having! I'm going to go thumbless tomorrow and see how that works!

Appreciate the info!
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That's one of the nicest names I've been called in a while!

I suspect this could be causing some of the accuracy issues I've been having! I'm going to go thumbless tomorrow and see how that works!

Appreciate the info!
Use a thumb release, that'll fix it

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I've thought about that. Any benefits to a thumb release besides making me stop putting my thumb on my neck?
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I've thought about that. Any benefits to a thumb release besides making me stop putting my thumb on my neck?
There are many reasons why shooting a "hinge" type release is better. But first, the thumb...

I used to see many people do this back in the day. I think it is a holdover from days past where hunters were taught to do this to help them hold the bow back longer. Of course this started around the time when bows had lower letoff than today and everyone wanted to shoot 70 pound bows.

When you place the thumb on the back of your neck you do a few things:
1) It breaks the line of the wrist and the forearm, this means you need to use muscles instead of bones and this means not every shot will be the same. It will also hinder the stretching of the wrist to get a surprise release.

2) It will lower the anchor point, especially if you have any pressure on the thumb. The whole arm will droop, the elbow comes down and the anchor isn't consistent due to differences in pressure from the thumb.

3) Lastly, it causes the wrist to rotate slightly, which puts the radial bone out of alignment; again, this breeds inconsistency.

When using an index finger release, you need to have a fully relaxed hand, only the index finger touches the trigger. Hook the index finger on the trigger, pull through the shot, letting the wrist extend slightly (known as yielding, kinda sorta anyway) and let the release fire using back tension. Don't squeeze the trigger, the trigger finger never moves once it is hooked.

This is the best way to fire an index finger release.

An index finger release can be fired very similar to a "hinge" type release, but it takes much more practice. It is best to use a release designed for this. A thumb trigger, or button, release is a good start, although I start all my hinge shooters on a dedicated tension release, like the Evo or the Silverback, and then switch to a thumb later if they need to for shooting in the wind. These releases are designed to be shot correctly using back tension (or any number of firing engines) and will help you get the consistency and surprise release you are looking for.

Many people can shoot an index finger release fine using back tension and they like that they can command shoot when needed. There is no "right" way, the way that builds the most confidence, and is consistent, is the way for you.
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Watch this video, Ike explains it pretty well.

The first half is about a back tension/thumb release, the last half is about the index finger release aid.
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There are many reasons why shooting a "hinge" type release is better. But first, the thumb...

I used to see many people do this back in the day. I think it is a holdover from days past where hunters were taught to do this to help them hold the bow back longer. Of course this started around the time when bows had lower letoff than today and everyone wanted to shoot 70 pound bows.

When you place the thumb on the back of your neck you do a few things:
1) It breaks the line of the wrist and the forearm, this means you need to use muscles instead of bones and this means not every shot will be the same. It will also hinder the stretching of the wrist to get a surprise release.

2) It will lower the anchor point, especially if you have any pressure on the thumb. The whole arm will droop, the elbow comes down and the anchor isn't consistent due to differences in pressure from the thumb.

3) Lastly, it causes the wrist to rotate slightly, which puts the radial bone out of alignment; again, this breeds inconsistency.

When using an index finger release, you need to have a fully relaxed hand, only the index finger touches the trigger. Hook the index finger on the trigger, pull through the shot, letting the wrist extend slightly (known as yielding, kinda sorta anyway) and let the release fire using back tension. Don't squeeze the trigger, the trigger finger never moves once it is hooked.

This is the best way to fire an index finger release.

An index finger release can be fired very similar to a "hinge" type release, but it takes much more practice. It is best to use a release designed for this. A thumb trigger, or button, release is a good start, although I start all my hinge shooters on a dedicated tension release, like the Evo or the Silverback, and then switch to a thumb later if they need to for shooting in the wind. These releases are designed to be shot correctly using back tension (or any number of firing engines) and will help you get the consistency and surprise release you are looking for.

Many people can shoot an index finger release fine using back tension and they like that they can command shoot when needed. There is no "right" way, the way that builds the most confidence, and is consistent, is the way for you.
This is excellent advice.
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Rat, can you try the link to the video again. I'm not seeing it.
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Rat, can you try the link to the video again. I'm not seeing it.
Try this...


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