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Old 06-28-2017, 09:03 AM   #1
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Its all really just a feel good thing with this green stuff for the naïve and a cash cow for the politicians and companies involved with zero regard for actual stewardship.

"A new study by Environmental Progress (EP) warns that toxic waste from used solar panels now poses a global environmental threat. The Berkeley-based group found that solar panels create 300 times more toxic waste per unit of energy than nuclear-power plants. Discarded solar panels, which contain dangerous elements such as lead, chromium, and cadmium, are piling up around the world, and there’s been little done to mitigate their potential danger to the environment."

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Old 06-28-2017, 09:21 AM   #2
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If we burned every solar panel in the world, we wouldn't even scratch the surface, compared to the damage done by Fukishimo. Add in Chernobyl, and other cases, solar panels are no longer even in the picture. They didnt do much research, and their, "300 times more toxic waste", is BS. Maybe if we had never had a meltdown, anywhere, of anykind. Just my opinion
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Its all really just a feel good thing with this green stuff for the naïve and a cash cow for the politicians and companies involved with zero regard for actual stewardship.

"A new study by Environmental Progress (EP) warns that toxic waste from used solar panels now poses a global environmental threat. The Berkeley-based group found that solar panels create 300 times more toxic waste per unit of energy than nuclear-power plants. Discarded solar panels, which contain dangerous elements such as lead, chromium, and cadmium, are piling up around the world, and there’s been little done to mitigate their potential danger to the environment."

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Sweet!! lets build some more plants!!!
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Old 06-28-2017, 09:29 AM   #4
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If we burned every solar panel in the world, we wouldn't even scratch the surface, compared to the damage done by Fukishimo. Add in Chernobyl, and other cases, solar panels are no longer even in the picture. They didnt do much research, and their, "300 times more toxic waste", is BS. Maybe if we had never had a meltdown, anywhere, of anykind. Just my opinion
I would concede that they probably did not include meltdowns such as what Russia and Japan have created. I think the biggest issue here is the nasty components in refuse panels don't have an effective recycling program.
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I would concede that they probably did not include meltdowns such as what Russia and Japan have created. I think the biggest issue here is the nasty components in refuse panels don't have an effective recycling program.
That's how I took it. But hey, why waste an opportunity to disprove someone's post. That seems to happen a lot.
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Old 06-28-2017, 09:38 AM   #6
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Similar to the battery power cars. More pollutants to build the batteries and to dispose of them.

What's that saying "take one step forward and two backwards"?
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Old 06-28-2017, 09:39 AM   #7
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That's how I took it. But hey, why waste an opportunity to disprove someone's post. That seems to happen a lot.
He just doesn't know how insurance works
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He just doesn't know how insurance works
Lol!
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Old 06-28-2017, 10:28 AM   #9
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Liberals live by the if it looks good ,makes you feel good, it has to be good.
never mind the science, economics, long term results
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Probably factual when taking out nuclear catastrophe's...........but I have never heard of the "Environmental Progress Group" either. When the greenies, nuclear or petroleum folks come up with something more significant than what we have currently let me know.......lol!
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Old 06-28-2017, 05:36 PM   #11
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My dad is in the power making business. He said that if you elected to spend more per Kw Hour for "green or wind" power, you're just wasting your money.

All power goes on a grid and sent to homes and businesses. There is NO WAY to say that the power you're getting is what you're paying for.

With the exception of homes and businesses that install their own windmills, solar panels, etc.


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Old 06-28-2017, 06:46 PM   #12
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My dad is in the power making business. He said that if you elected to spend more per Kw Hour for "green or wind" power, you're just wasting your money.

All power goes on a grid and sent to homes and businesses. There is NO WAY to say that the power you're getting is what you're paying for.

With the exception of homes and businesses that install their own windmills, solar panels, etc.


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True, but then you have to store the energy you produce. Lots of lead in those batteries.
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Old 06-28-2017, 10:14 PM   #13
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On our lease, they are installing those big-a*s energy windmills and have been for months. It would give a honest liberal the squirts to see the number of oak trees and grasslands decimated to erect those useless fans.
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On our lease, they are installing those big-a*s energy windmills and have been for months. It would give a honest liberal the squirts to see the number of oak trees and grasslands decimated to erect those useless fans.
Wait til you see the piles of dead birds on the ground once the turbine blades start spinning. All to produce power at triple the cost of power from natgas generation.
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Old 06-29-2017, 02:23 AM   #15
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My dad is in the power making business. He said that if you elected to spend more per Kw Hour for "green or wind" power, you're just wasting your money.

All power goes on a grid and sent to homes and businesses. There is NO WAY to say that the power you're getting is what you're paying for.

With the exception of homes and businesses that install their own windmills, solar panels, etc.


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Mossback on here, knows this stuff inside and out. Maybe he will chime in. You are correct though, from what I understand.
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Old 06-29-2017, 09:11 AM   #16
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They could load all this stuff up and drop it in a volcano
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Old 06-29-2017, 10:52 AM   #17
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We have so much natural gas produced along with the fracking surge that we could supply the World with clean energy. Green is just a hoax.. Carbon dioxide is what feeds GREEN plants.
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I'll hold my nose and wait for commercially available fusion power. It doesn't leave behind toxic waste, can't melt down, and doesn't require fissile material. Unfortunately it's still beyond our technological abilities to build a fusion reactor that has a net power gain; supposedly we're still a few decades away.
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Old 06-30-2017, 08:35 AM   #19
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I'll hold my nose and wait for commercially available fusion power. It doesn't leave behind toxic waste, can't melt down, and doesn't require fissile material. Unfortunately it's still beyond our technological abilities to build a fusion reactor that has a net power gain; supposedly we're still a few decades away.
We need to discover a new metal before fusion ever happens...the process is heated to millions of degrees!!! Tungsten has the highest melting point at 6100°F, we have a long ways to go! In the mean time, the best we can do is try to find a way to properly store the current waste, Which I deal with every day right now!
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We need to discover a new metal before fusion ever happens...the process is heated to millions of degrees!!! Tungsten has the highest melting point at 6100°F, we have a long ways to go! In the mean time, the best we can do is try to find a way to properly store the current waste, Which I deal with every day right now!
I thought we were in the billions here on Earth? The Sun can get away with millions due to its incredible mass, and gravity. Fascinating stuff for sure .
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We may see a working fusion reactor sooner than later. Lockheed Martin's Skunk Works guys are working on it!!
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Old 06-30-2017, 11:41 AM   #22
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Magnetic fusion containment most likely. 500 megawatt reactor scheduled for completion in 2035 (according to Wikipedia)
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http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/01/sc...-fusion-power/

Interesting article regarding fusion reactor.

Once they work it all out, the generated power would be too cheap to meter!!!

Meaning free unlimited power to all!
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Old 06-30-2017, 05:12 PM   #24
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That's how I took it. But hey, why waste an opportunity to disprove someone's post. That seems to happen a lot.
It should happen alot. That way we discuss, opinions are brought forth, facts are produced, and hopefully we all get along and learn a little . Why else are we here, to all agree on everything posted? That don't sound like too much fun to me.
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this is great
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Green energy is all about the "green" (money). I worked for a company that was big into it. Those groups were part of the service and contracting group that I was supporting. Seems like everyone was LEED certified.
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http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/01/sc...-fusion-power/

Interesting article regarding fusion reactor.

Once they work it all out, the generated power would be too cheap to meter!!!

Meaning free unlimited power to all!
That will never happen.....lol! That technology will get locked in a vault , and the inventor will be killed (think Raiders of the Lost Ark scene) before anything is given for free.
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That will never happen.....lol! That technology will get locked in a vault , and the inventor will be killed (think Raiders of the Lost Ark scene) before anything is given for free.
You aint lying! Those patents will be sold to Big Energy or they will get their political friends to force said sale.

I fear the same thing happens in healthcare innovations with big Pharma which would be most unfortunate if true.
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You aint lying! Those patents will be sold to Big Energy or they will get their political friends to force said sale.

I fear the same thing happens in healthcare innovations with big Pharma which would be most unfortunate if true.
Lol, cannabis products come to mind.
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That will never happen.....lol! That technology will get locked in a vault , and the inventor will be killed (think Raiders of the Lost Ark scene) before anything is given for free.
LOL. You have very little faith my friend.

I really do believe we will see fusion power within our life times. Besides its not one inventor.... its teams of scientists working on it all over the world. Something like fusion power after they figure out the containment issues cannot be put in a vault and locked away.

And the dudes at the Skunk Works cannot be taken lightly. LOL
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LOL. You have very little faith my friend.

I really do believe we will see fusion power within our life times. Besides its not one inventor.... its teams of scientists working on it all over the world. Something like fusion power after they figure out the containment issues cannot be put in a vault and locked away.

And the dudes at the Skunk Works cannot be taken lightly. LOL
Lots of faith but little faith in man!!! (To give anything away.)

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That will never happen.....lol! That technology will get locked in a vault , and the inventor will be killed (think Raiders of the Lost Ark scene) before anything is given for free.
Reality escapes the author of the post you quoted
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Reality escapes the author of the post you quoted
That was blatantly obvious on another thread.
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Cash cow is right
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I'm on a 24-month 100% renewable plan from Discount Power. Cut my monthly bill in half from my TXU traditional plan. Happy to support Texas wind and even happier to stick it to coal.

Thank you powertochoose.org!
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