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    Most of us recognize the duplicity of the liberal mind. Being, liberalism can be found in educated and intellectual minds, it is evident, it cannot be linked only to lack of intelligence. There are plenty of uneducated and unintelligent Conservatives on the flip side. I have long believed it could be clinically characterized as a mental disorder while nearing psychosis in some people. Some of us have batted around similar notions because of the refusal of the liberal person to recognize proven fact or simply attempt to change its definition entirely. I have a sister and now, two former (thank God) brothers-in-law who are staunch liberals. One is a highly regarded lead surgeon and the other is an engineer and a lawyer. Early on, I believed they were being contrary for the sake of being so. That is, until I saw the parallels between them and others I encountered. The traits and behaviors are predictable and repeatable just like a mental disorder (i.e. OCD, hoarding, etc.) thus, they make no sense to the logical mind. How does this happen? How do people such as surgeons and engineers whom function by fact alone have a brain that also allows them to disregard reason and fact?

    What say you TBH politics forum? Mental disorder or simply misguided thought? Or Both? Please be respectful so this isn't pulled down.


    If you're offended by this, don't be. It is a topic to discuss and not a springboard for belittling you and your beliefs. Jump in and partake if you feel strongly enough. However, if you get into personal attacks, you will need thick skin!

    #2
    Be respectful? Why they aren't? They will be the down fall of OUR state and nation.

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      #3
      I saw an article recently about how we use different parts of our mind. That would explained a lot.

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        #4
        honestly, your brother-in-law probably thinks the same way about you. every human is biased. and every human is subject to confirmation bias. i (and others im sure) try to minimize this as much as possible but i dont think it can be avoided completely. we generally surround ourselves with people that share our values and interests which leads to perpetuation of those values and interests. a good example is posting this thread on this forum. most of this forum aligns politically (not all) so you arent likely to get a broad perspective. to counter, if you posted this in the pace section of an animal rights forum you would get a completely different reaction. but we dont go to that forum looking for answers...perpetuation.

        so, to answer your question, i think "liberals" (not a fan of that term) believe in their minds that they are rooted in fact just as you do. we all tend to believe info that confirms our bias. and, i dont think that one political party is more susceptible to this than the other.

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          #5
          Its actually a pretty short checklist. Dive a little into any liberals backgrounds and you will find a quick reoccurring denominator as to why they are screwed up in the head.

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            #6
            By no means is liberalism a mental disorder as it is in fact the ideology that conservatism and democratic parties fall under. Can one be more "liberal" absolutely. Is it a bad thing for one to me more "liberal" on certain policies? No, because without the ever changing idea of ideologies politics and political parties will (have) become stale and/or stagnant. Look at our current political climate, I think this is a perfect example of what happens when politics become stale. We have seen the same thing happen over and over and over. I feel that becoming to liberal on certain things has led to the election of Trump. When I say "becoming to liberal" I am not referring to just the democratic party, but "republican" party as well. To many of our politicians have become to "liberal" on very important policies, one of the big ones, immigration. This didn't just start, it was going on when Reagan was in office. Why can't we halt all immigration into our country to fix our immigration issues? Some might argue that our immigration policies just need to be enforced, which could be true, by why aren't immigration enforcers following the laws? Why is a president allowed to order them not to follow the law? The American people have become to liberal with holding our representatives accountable, meanwhile they say one thing and do the opposites and pocket another million....

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              #7
              Originally posted by AZST_bowhunter View Post
              By no means is liberalism a mental disorder as it is in fact the ideology that conservatism and democratic parties fall under. Can one be more "liberal" absolutely. Is it a bad thing for one to me more "liberal" on certain policies? No, because without the ever changing idea of ideologies politics and political parties will (have) become stale and/or stagnant. Look at our current political climate, I think this is a perfect example of what happens when politics become stale. We have seen the same thing happen over and over and over. I feel that becoming to liberal on certain things has led to the election of Trump. When I say "becoming to liberal" I am not referring to just the democratic party, but "republican" party as well. To many of our politicians have become to "liberal" on very important policies, one of the big ones, immigration. This didn't just start, it was going on when Reagan was in office. Why can't we halt all immigration into our country to fix our immigration issues? Some might argue that our immigration policies just need to be enforced, which could be true, by why aren't immigration enforcers following the laws? Why is a president allowed to order them not to follow the law? The American people have become to liberal with holding our representatives accountable, meanwhile they say one thing and do the opposites and pocket another million....
              Sorry for the rant fellas lol

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                #8
                I think a liberal's mind is more centered around emotion and a conservative's around actual fact. Everyone has sympathy for the needy and downtrodden among us and would like to help but the practical matter is at what cost and how do we accomplish it. Instead of screwing up health care for the 90% of us that didn't need help for the 10% that did, why didn't our benevolent government look at ways to help just the poor and those with PEC?

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                  #9
                  If you want a glimpse of what happens to countries when they embrace the mental disorder of extreme liberalism, look no further than Sweden.http://infowars.c...

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Man View Post
                    Its actually a pretty short checklist. Dive a little into any liberals backgrounds and you will find a quick reoccurring denominator as to why they are screwed up in the head.
                    OK, I'll bite. What is the common denominator?

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                      #11
                      I started this as a quick reply and it got a little long - my apologies

                      I have come to believe that the fundamental starting point for understanding liberal vs. conservative views is the difference in their understanding of human nature. Simplistically speaking there are two basic views – human nature is either fixed or it is malleable/changeable.
                      Conservatives, libertarians (and “classical liberals”) believe that human nature is fixed, with tendencies toward both good and evil. Progressives, (liberals, socialists, etc) think human nature is malleable – it can be changed through law and social pressure/influence.

                      Conservatives believe that as a result of either biology/culture, or supernatural forces (GOD) human nature has some permanent and universal features that do not change. Humans are naturally neither good or evil. Our dual nature makes us equally capable of both, so we require social influences (family, religion, community) to provide moral guidance. Conservatives prefer these three sources of influence over coercive government. Those on the right also value liberty and believe the only legitimate purpose of government is to protect our rights and liberties because those basic rights and liberties pre-exist the state. Conservatives also recognize there are differences in people when it comes to talent, skills interests and ambition. This is expressed in the desire for equality of opportunity vs equality of outcomes.

                      Liberals/Progressives – in general – believe humans are “born good” then are corrupted by an unjust society. That's why they are more likely to attribute criminal/destructive behavior to some form of oppression instead of poorly-used power of free will. They are far more willing to use state power to remake society through laws and social engineering. “ If we just get the smart people to pass and enforce the right laws, humanity will someday march through the sunny fields of utopia with no one left behind.

                      For you fellow political philosophy geeks, I’ve heard it boiled down to this – political vision can be boiled down to Locke vs. Rousseau.* The Lockean vision holds that man is the captain of his soul, his rights come from God, the individual is sovereign and that the government exists because men of free will cede certain powers to it in order to protect life and property.

                      The Rousseauian vision says the collective comes before the individual, our rights come from the group (not God) and the needs, aims and goals of the group come before those of the individual.

                      *I'm paraphrasing the Locke/Rousseau part from a book I just read - not my original idea
                      Last edited by jerp; 08-08-2017, 01:40 PM.

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                        #12
                        There are some really smart people out there who still insist on driving a Dodge, so some things are just unexplainable.


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                          #13
                          Originally posted by jerp View Post
                          I started this as a quick reply and it got a little long - my apologies

                          I have come to believe that the fundamental starting point for understanding liberal vs. conservative views is the difference in their understanding of human nature. Simplistically speaking there are two basic views – human nature is either fixed or it is malleable/changeable.
                          Conservatives, libertarians (and “classical liberals”) believe that human nature is fixed, with tendencies toward both good and evil. Progressives, (liberals, socialists, etc) think human nature is malleable – it can be changed through law and social pressure/influence.

                          Conservatives believe that as a result of either biology/culture, or supernatural forces (GOD) human nature has some permanent and universal features that do not change. Humans are naturally neither good or evil. Our dual nature makes us equally capable of both, so we require social influences (family, religion, community) to provide moral guidance. Conservatives prefer these three sources of influence over coercive government. Those on the right also value liberty and believe the only legitimate purpose of government is to protect our rights and liberties because those basic rights and liberties pre-exist the state. Conservatives also recognize there are differences in people when it comes to talent, skills interests and ambition. This is expressed in the desire for equality of opportunity vs equality of outcomes.

                          Liberals/Progressives – in general – believe humans are “born good” then are corrupted by an unjust society. That's why they are more likely to attribute criminal/destructive behavior to some form of oppression instead of poorly-used power of free will. They are far more willing to use state power to remake society through laws and social engineering. “ If we just get the smart people to pass and enforce the right laws, humanity will someday march through the sunny fields of utopia with no one left behind.

                          For you fellow political philosophy geeks, I’ve heard it boiled down to this – political vision can be boiled down to Locke vs. Rousseau.* The Lockean vision holds that man is the captain of his soul, his rights come from God, the individual is sovereign and that the government exists because men of free will cede certain powers to it in order to protect life and property.

                          The Rousseauian vision says the collective comes before the individual, our rights come from the group (not God) and the needs, aims and goals of the group come before those of the individual.

                          *I'm paraphrasing the Locke/Rousseau part from a book I just read - not my original idea
                          Probably the best explanation that will be posted to this topic.
                          Well done

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                            #14
                            Spot on Jerp. Some hearts just bleed more than others.


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                              #15
                              Originally posted by flywise View Post
                              Probably the best explanation that will be posted to this topic.
                              Well done
                              Agreed. I'll be sharing this if you don't mind.

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