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Old 12-12-2017, 08:31 AM   #1
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I've had a couple guys shoot wt with a HP. Both hit the shoulder and blew it up but the deer ran away.

I use a 64 gr PSP (lead tipped soft point) and never had any problems.

Have I been getting lucky or is the soft point the best round?
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Old 12-12-2017, 08:37 AM   #2
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I like the soft point Winchester
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Old 12-12-2017, 08:40 AM   #3
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I'm trying these. No shot yet!
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Old 12-12-2017, 08:42 AM   #4
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Any work fine. But then again with the .223 I am head shooting does or pigs.
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Old 12-12-2017, 08:55 AM   #5
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Are you guys using .223 on deer for youth or is this your only option? I don't want to start a argument, just curious.

Just to add something to the original question; I use 55 grain v-max varmint express in my 10" sbr while hunting at night. That bullet has done well on everything from trash-panda, fox to large hogs.

I use a LeHigh Controlled Chaos bullet in a similar setup in a different caliber and have had good luck as well. They make a .223 bullet but I have never tried it. Downside may be lack of blood trail if the shot is not perfect.
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Old 12-12-2017, 09:09 AM   #6
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Nosler Partition.
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Old 12-12-2017, 09:17 AM   #7
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Just like any other caliber on any other large game(except more important on small/fast calibers), use something that will stay together and penetrate....not what an hp was designed for. A hollowpoint is great for varmints but horrible for large game unless your gonna earhole em. Not a big fan of ballistic tips on the small ones either unless the rest of the bullet will maintain mass.
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Old 12-12-2017, 09:19 AM   #8
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I have a .223 that has probably killed at least 30-35 does. Every deer Iíve taken has been a head shot and I shoot Black Hills 52gr HP. I generally use this gun if Iím out for does (or doe, whichever way you prefer it) but have other plenty of other guns if Iím looking for a shoulder shot. People have been killing deer with a .223 for many years.
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Old 12-12-2017, 09:21 AM   #9
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My kids have killed a truck load of animals with a .223 (Fusion 62 grain N.P.) when they were younger. It is a very good all around cartridge for that caliber. Matter of fact, Breck killed 2 pigs after school last Tuesday with his .223 shooting Fusions 62 grain) while I was filling feeders.

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Are you guys using .223 on deer for youth or is this your only option? I don't want to start a argument, just curious.

Just to add something to the original question; I use 55 grain v-max varmint express in my 10" sbr while hunting at night. That bullet has done well on everything from trash-panda, fox to large hogs.

I use a LeHigh Controlled Chaos bullet in a similar setup in a different caliber and have had good luck as well. They make a .223 bullet but I have never tried it. Downside may be lack of blood trail if the shot is not perfect.
I use them. I let kids use them also when I feel they are scared of bigger guns recoil.

I recommend adults and older kids use a 243 or larger though.
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Haven't shot many with 223 but this year we are using Hornady Full Boar 50gr gmx. My kids have shot two deer. one dropped in her tracks and sons deer ran about 10yds in a circle. hop to shoot some pigs with it soon.
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Old 12-12-2017, 09:39 AM   #12
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Anything will kill with head shots.

For lung/heart shots use Federal Fusions, Winchester Power points or Nosler Partitions.


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I have no idea how much stuff I've killed with a .223. Most of the kills have been with a Winchester Ranger 64 gr. PowerPoint. I've killed hogs, sheep, and axis with that bullet out of my Bushmaster AR. All have been one shot kills in the crease behind the shoulder. Some have run as far as 30 yards, but most have gone straight down. Ranges have been from 63 yards to 186 yards. I've used the 50 gr. Nosler ballistic tip handload out of my CZ 527 one time as well. I had a barbado sheep at the feeder and the distance was 104 yards. Quartering slightly toward me I put the crosshair on the pint of the front shoulder, squeezed off the shot and he just folded up.

I'm about to start working up a load for the 62 gr. Swift Sirocco.
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Old 12-12-2017, 09:58 AM   #14
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In all hunting situations, I entrust Winchester Supreme Silvertip

Outstanding performance in all calibers that I use, .223, .243,.270 WSM,.300 WSM

Other than that, I step up to 5.56 and 62 grain MagTech for my AR. I like a heavier bullet in my 5.56. But my hunting rifle is .223 only.


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Check out the damage in on this dude!

This was from a 55gr Hornady Spire Point

His momma made it a little further. Piglet died from pass through.
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I've had a couple guys shoot wt with a HP. Both hit the shoulder and blew it up but the deer ran away.

I use a 64 gr PSP (lead tipped soft point) and never had any problems.

Have I been getting lucky or is the soft point the best round?
I have used the same 64gr bullet as well as a 75gr BTHP and both have worked just fine. IMHO I think with a smaller caliber like that you should use the heaviest bullet that your rifle can shoot accurately. I wouldn't want to try and shoot a deer in the shoulder and break it down with a 223 either but the deer where I hunt aren't smaller hill country deer either. That little cartridge and bullet can do some damage when tucked in behind the shoulder in the vitals. I have seen it dump its energy in the vitals and turn stuff to jello.
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I’ve killed a bunch of pigs and coyotes with Hornady 75gr. BTHP but I wouldn’t deer hunt with a .223/5.56. There are much better calibers for deer.
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I used the 62 gr Federal fusion this weekend on a buck at 50 yards. Deer was facing me so lung shot into the chest. Deer went 60 yards before dropping, however very little blood if any came from the entry wound making it difficult to pick up the blood trail. Not sure what's typical for a lung shot, but first blood I found was 30 yards away.
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I have used the same 64gr bullet as well as a 75gr BTHP and both have worked just fine. IMHO I think with a smaller caliber like that you should use the heaviest bullet that your rifle can shoot accurately. I wouldn't want to try and shoot a deer in the shoulder and break it down with a 223 either but the deer where I hunt aren't smaller hill country deer either. That little cartridge and bullet can do some damage when tucked in behind the shoulder in the vitals. I have seen it dump its energy in the vitals and turn stuff to jello.
What is that? It looks like a hog, but it's the size of a squirrel.
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Old 12-12-2017, 10:24 AM   #20
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Hornady whitetail hunter 62gr. this is what me and my buddy shoot, and we are 10 for 10 with 4 of those being big Axis.

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I've had a couple guys shoot wt with a HP. Both hit the shoulder and blew it up but the deer ran away.

I use a 64 gr PSP (lead tipped soft point) and never had any problems.

Have I been getting lucky or is the soft point the best round?
About the last 8 deer that I have killed with a rifle were killed it with the 223 soft point. There were no head and no neck shots.

I have only used the Federal Tactical Bonded 62gr which is a law enforcement round (but not illegal to possess). It is designed to penetrate barriers while expanding and not separating so as to penetrate. I have never had one not exit including one shot quartering toward me that went through the shoulder. The fartherest one ran was 25 yards. All of the exit wounds were at least about half an inch in diameter.

I was at the range shooting a couple of days ago and one of our rifle instructors told me that the Federal Fusion Bonded 62gr and the Federal Tactical Bonded 62gr were the same round but the Fusion was loaded about 100 fps slower. I havenít confirmed that with another source but it sounds like the Fusion is the ďcivilianĒ hunting version of our duty ammo.

I donít think you were lucky. If your soft points are holding together to get penetration through the deer, you are good to go in my opinion.
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Old 12-12-2017, 11:05 AM   #22
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#1 Hornady 62 grain Whitetail.
#2 GECO 55 grain head shots
#3 IMI Systems 55 grain (green box) head shots
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Old 12-12-2017, 11:24 AM   #23
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Unless the HP is a serria game king then bad idea IMO

There are lots of bullets that will work but in factory ammo my pick would be 60gr Nosler Partition.

I haven't used the 223 in years for deer but if you are a reloader the swift Siroccos are good bullets for the 223 if you have the twist rate to stabilize them.
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Unless the HP is a serria game king then bad idea IMO



There are lots of bullets that will work but in factory ammo my pick would be 60gr Nosler Partition.



I haven't used the 223 in years for deer but if you are a reloader the swift Siroccos are good bullets for the 223 if you have the twist rate to stabilize them.


I have some 62 grain Sciroccos loaded up. Good to hear the positive feedback on them.

I killed a hog with the 75 grain version out of my 22-250 AI from about 240 yards with a lung shot a few weeks ago.

Had a full pass through and respectable entry/exit wounds.


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I haven’t had a chance to try them yet but I shoot 64gr Speer Gold Dots. They are SP and I have no doubt about their ability to kill deer size game.
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I've always used 55gr Remington Core-Lokt PSP and never had a problem. Dropped a pair of pigs in one shot a few times as well.
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Old 12-12-2017, 01:33 PM   #27
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Check out the damage in on this dude!

This was from a 55gr Hornady Spire Point

His momma made it a little further. Piglet died from pass through.
This is what I used for deer, pigs, varmints. Never had a problem with accuracy or anything running off.
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Barnes 70 gr TSX. It's not even close. I've seen it drop several big hogs and deer. I've seen some animals run with different loads.
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For pigs or deer I won't go below a 60 grain in weight. And soft points
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Tim:

As you know, a 158gr. bullet from a .357 Magnum carbine is death to a hog if you shoot him in the head

I've only shot, and killed, one deer with a 5.56mm - a small button buck at 100 yds. I made a high, double lung shot and he fell DRT like the Hammer of Thor struck him. The spent round was on the inside of his skin on the opposite side where I shot him. I think I was using Winchester 64gr. Power Point ammo. Personally, I don't like head shots on whitetail deer. I prefer, especially for an inexperienced hunter, targeting either the shoulder, or the pocket behind the shoulder irrespective of the caliber of the rifle you are using.

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Started using the 75 grain Speer Gold Dot. Had been using the Federal 62 grain bonded, but never liked the accuracy out of it. The 75 grain is much more accurate and works well on hogs.
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Where does wolf steel case fall in your list?

That's all I shoot LOL maybe not.
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Tim:

As you know, a 158gr. bullet from a .357 Magnum carbine is death to a hog if you shoot him in the head

I've only shot, and killed, one deer with a 5.56mm - a small button buck at 100 yds. I made a high, double lung shot and he fell DRT like the Hammer of Thor struck him. The spent round was on the inside of his skin on the opposite side where I shot him. I think I was using Winchester 64gr. Power Point ammo. Personally, I don't like head shots on whitetail deer. I prefer, especially for an inexperienced hunter, targeting either the shoulder, or the pocket behind the shoulder irrespective of the caliber of the rifle you are using.

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I don't allow head shots. But I also do tell kids to aim for the shoulder. Hence my post about which round is best when the shoulder bone is hit.

I think I got my answer.
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I don't allow head shots. But I also do tell kids to aim for the shoulder. Hence my post about which round is best when the shoulder bone is hit.



I think I got my answer.


Hmmmm I missed the part about you wanting shoulder shots. Iíll add to my list Barnes TSX/TTSX anywhere from 50-70 grains depending on what the rifle likes.


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My kids have killed a truck load of animals with a .223 (Fusion 62 grain N.P.) when they were younger. It is a very good all around cartridge for that caliber. Matter of fact, Breck killed 2 pigs after school last Tuesday with his .223 shooting Fusions 62 grain) while I was filling feeders.



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This. My kids have been shooting the .62gr fusion for a while. Check out the exit wound.





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How do the higher grain 223 bullets shoot out of an AR 16" barrel? Ben don't they wont stabilize.
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How do the higher grain 223 bullets shoot out of an AR 16" barrel? Ben don't they wont stabilize.


Depends on twist rate. Both of my Colt ARs with 1:7 twist barrels prefer bullets in the 65-80 grain range.

A 1:9 twist could start getting iffy over 65 grains.

Here is a good general guideline:




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Hornady 62 grain interbond.
Academy.
Keep the shots under 100 and you are good to go. Head shoot pigs, broadside mid body, on the crease for deer.
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Hornady 62 grain interbond.
Academy.
Keep the shots under 100 and you are good to go. Head shoot pigs, broadside mid body, on the crease for deer.

I don't find the 62 gr. Interbond in their product line. Do you have a pic of the box?
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Depends on twist rate. Both of my Colt ARs with 1:7 twist barrels prefer bullets in the 65-80 grain range.

A 1:9 twist could start getting iffy over 65 grains.

Here is a good general guideline:




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I'm trying these. No shot yet!
My AR did not like these rounds, did not group very well, at least not compared to federal fusions.
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Where does wolf steel case fall in your list?

That's all I shoot LOL maybe not.
RiverRat1 I turned chickin' sheet & took Wolf off my original post cause I didn't want the ammo Nazis givin' me guff.
It's the steel 223/5.56x45 wears out my barrel & bolt faster than brass dilemma/BS.
I think ammunition manufactures are feeding us the garbage?
To each his own
As you probably already know RiverRat1.
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A bolt action rifle will wear out/break down in about the same amount of time using 223/5.56X45 steel or brass cased.
In a semi automatics there might have a few more ejection problems FTFs with steel cased? That's debatable IMOHO Is it better to use steel case and buy a new gun or gun parts every 15,000ish rounds. OR buy a new gun or parts every 20,000ish rounds & pay 8%-%?? for brass ammo?
To each his own?!?!
Tomato or toemaytoe. Potato or tater.
Shoot steel and save money! Hell most gun ethicist want to but a new "gun" ever so often. Right? So your doing yourself a favor by shootin' steel cased & wear your sheet out faster.
YES Wolf steel cased & brass cased are the best bang for your buck 223/5.56x45 IMOHO.
I said it I LIKE WOLF steel cased ammunition just like RiverRat1!
Did that make sense/science/cents????
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RiverRat1 I turned chickin' sheet & took Wolf off my original post cause I didn't want the ammo Nazis givin' me guff.
It's the steel 223/5.56x45 wears out my barrel & bolt faster than brass dilemma/BS.
I think ammunition manufactures are feeding us the garbage?
To each his own
As you probably already know RiverRat1.
IMOHO In My Own Humble Opinion.
A bolt action rifle will wear out/break down in about the same amount of time using 223/5.56X45 steel or brass cased.
In a semi automatics there might have a few more ejection problems FTFs with steel cased? That's debatable IMOHO Is it better to use steel case and buy a new gun or gun parts every 15,000ish rounds. OR buy a new gun or parts every 20,000ish rounds & pay 8%-%?? for brass ammo?
To each his own?!?!
Tomato or toemaytoe. Potato or tater.
Shoot steel and save money! Hell most gun ethicist want to but a new "gun" ever so often. Right? So your doing yourself a favor by shootin' steel cased & wear your sheet out faster.
YES Wolf steel cased & brass cased are the best bang for your buck 223/5.56x45 IMOHO.
I said it I LIKE WOLF steel cased ammunition just like RiverRat1!
Did that make sense/science/cents????
God bless!
Semper Fi.
Yeah I am that guy.
PS If you do not clean your rifle like an **** retentive maniac every time you shoot it? it don't matter if you use steel, brass or gold cased ammunition. Your gun ain't gona preform or last very long.
This is my rifle.There are many like it, but this one is mine.
My rifle is my best friend. It IS my life.
My rifle without me is useless. Without my rifle I am useless......
PEACE.
Then out comes the marching band. While they shoot insanitary fares out HiLIARys arse. Then eagles pick up Nancy PEElousy and shove her up Chuck ShSCUMers hinny. Glory, Glory hallelujah!!

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I dropped a spike with a high shoulder at 75 yards and 5 minutes later I dropped a 6 point with a neck shot at 125 yards with 64 grain Winchester super X. Neither animal took a step. You can kill deer with anything itís all about shot placment.
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