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Old 01-08-2018, 10:02 AM   #1
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We we're just informed that our lease was sold and that the new owners will be putting cattle on this coming year.

My question is. Should I be concerned with them tearing up my feeders and pens?


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Old 01-08-2018, 10:03 AM   #2
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Yes,then I would be concerned whether or not you still have a lease.

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Only if you're feeders and pens were not originally setup to handle cattle.... but id be more concerned that you dont have a lease anymore.
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We have them on my current place of 10 years and have no issue with them tearing up pens. Our pens are large and well built though.

They tore up a pen on my previous lease but it was too short and too small. They could lean over and smell or try to grab corn so they did and bent the panels. We built it bigger and never had any more problems.
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Old 01-08-2018, 10:10 AM   #5
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Yes,then I would be concerned whether or not you still have a lease.

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Only if you're feeders and pens were not originally setup to handle cattle.... but id be more concerned that you dont have a lease anymore.
Yes we still have the lease. The new owners are just going to add cattle.

So will my hog panels be good enough to keep them out?


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Old 01-08-2018, 10:11 AM   #6
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We have cattle on our place and they have rarely messed with our feeders and/or pens. But when they have messed with it they can cause some damage. They ate one of our pop up blinds.

That being said, sometimes they will come through during hunting hours and scare the deer off. In the past I have carried a sling shot that I will use to scare them off. Doesn't do any damage and gets them moving along.
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Old 01-08-2018, 10:12 AM   #7
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Depends on how well he takes care of them. Yes if he feeds them as he should and doesn't' put to many head per ac.
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Yes we still have the lease. The new owners are just going to add cattle.

So will my hog panels be good enough to keep them out?


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Old 01-08-2018, 10:12 AM   #8
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I've very very seldom hunted a place the DIDN'T have cattle. I would make sure the feed pens are sturdy and ready. One thing I've learned is that it has a lot to do w/ how the cows are taken care of. If they have plenty to eat and not over populated, you don't have much to worry about. Heck, I have a feeder set up right now w/ cows and no feeder pen. But, I know this place and know I can get away with it because the cows are well taken care of.
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Yes we still have the lease. The new owners are just going to add cattle.

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going to need more info... like what are they anchored with...just zip tied together in a circle? wired to T-Posts? solid corner posts?

bottom line is ..if they want in..they will get in... all you can do is make is as uncomfortable as possible... barb wire helps.
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Yes we still have the lease. The new owners are just going to add cattle.

So will my hog panels be good enough to keep them out?


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Like Smart said. You build em strong enough to withstand a tank trying to break in. On my last lease, the land owner NEVER fed his cows. They crawled over, stomped down, plowed every fence into the ground we put up.
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Yes we still have the lease. The new owners are just going to add cattle.

So will my hog panels be good enough to keep them out?


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How many panels make up your pen?
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Old 01-08-2018, 10:17 AM   #12
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Depends on how well he takes care of them. Yes if he feeds them as he should and doesn't' put to many head per ac.
Not sure how many head of cattle but he will be rotating them from pasture to pasture.

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Old 01-08-2018, 10:18 AM   #13
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going to need more info... like what are they anchored with...just zip tied together in a circle? wired to T-Posts? solid corner posts?

bottom line is ..if they want in..they will get in... all you can do is make is as uncomfortable as possible... barb wire helps.
I have T post in the ground and the panels are wired together to the T Post 9 panels total

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Old 01-08-2018, 10:19 AM   #14
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How many panels make up your pen?
I have 9 total

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Old 01-08-2018, 10:20 AM   #15
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Tposts on the ends/overlap and the middle of each panel (less the 'gate')?
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Try and get a lower price since you have to deal with cattle now
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Old 01-08-2018, 10:22 AM   #17
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I've had several leases, all with cattle and never really had a problem with them. Just make sure that each leg is made out of strong steel and not that flimsy stuff you see in a lot of those " out of the box" feeders and t-post each leg. Also make sure that your feeder legs are tall enough so the cows wont rip off your unit ( did I just say that?! ) and use a good varmit cage.
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Old 01-08-2018, 10:23 AM   #18
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Tposts on the ends/overlap and the middle of each panel (less the 'gate')?
Yep that's what I have

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Old 01-08-2018, 10:26 AM   #19
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Yes,then I would be concerned whether or not you still have a lease.

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LOL! X2 on both accounts

I'd add at least 6 more panels and be sure to have the feeder in the center.

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Old 01-08-2018, 10:27 AM   #20
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should be good...
like i said though.. if they want in..they will get in..
strand of barb wire wouldnt hurt.
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Old 01-08-2018, 10:27 AM   #22
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You're going to have a lot of run ins with the cattle if they're free to roam entire property. I had a place that had cattle but restricted to one side of the property. Once the LO let them roam the entire place i swear they would look for me and congregate right on top of me lol running joke that i never went an entire trip without at least one cow story. Sticking their heads in my pop-up, sneaking up on me while I'm laid up in brush, devouring my hand corn, wiping out a feeder....cows owned me lol
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Old 01-08-2018, 10:30 AM   #23
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I don’t think I’ve ever hunted without cattle. Big dumb animals but somehow they can figure out a feeder pen. Make it pretty tight if you’re using barbed wire and you should be good to go. With cattle panels you’ll have no problems. Only time they’ve ever screwed me was when I put a brand new pop up out and left it over the weekend. Came back and it was destroyed.


On thing we do if it’s a weekend that everyone is going to be there is buy a bag of sweet feed and we put it in an area where nobody hunts. This will usually keep them up there and out of our way for a few hours anyway.
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You're going to have a lot of run ins with the cattle if they're free to roam entire property. I had a place that had cattle but restricted to one side of the property. Once the LO let them roam the entire place i swear they would look for me and congregate right on top of me lol running joke that i never went an entire trip without at least one cow story. Sticking their heads in my pop-up, sneaking up on me while I'm laid up in brush, devouring my hand corn, wiping out a feeder....cows owned me lol
Yep. When I bought my place, it was leased for cows. I asked the guy to remove the cows when my deal closed. He did everything he could to get me to leave cows on property I now owned and hopefully could control. He'd have to paid me $50/ac to leave them mangy things on there. I was fed up with cows from the last 5 years on a placed I leased.
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for any feeder you dont have a pen on....
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Old 01-08-2018, 10:33 AM   #26
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I was new to this issue this season and it took me a couple tries to figure it out. I now have a 10 panel feeder pen with cattle panels with two panels cut down to let the deer jump in easily, this set up has held up for me and the deer don't seem to mind it. I also have a t-post tied to each leg of the feeder in the case they break in. I have extra t-post supporting the fence in the lower section because I learned the cows will test this area.
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Depends. Are they Brahman or any similar cross? Had a 1000 pound cow that could clear a 5 ft fence whenever she wanted. The slingshot suggestion works. Listen to Smart and others about building your pens LARGE AND TOUGH. Sounds like cattle are the new normal now for your lease. Could be worse. Barbed wire is your friend
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Old 01-08-2018, 10:36 AM   #28
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Lol i feel your pain!!! Had this exact same experience
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Old 01-08-2018, 10:43 AM   #29
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One time i put out alfalfa with some apple crush sprinkled in for an axis set. Cows couldn't reach it but they lined the fence and stared at it for hours lmao it was funny until i came back for an afternoon set and founds 4 cows had found a weakness in the fence and were now standing in the middle of my set. Would have been hilarious if anyone could have watched me trying to wrangle them back on the other side of the fence and then fix the fence lol
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A lot depends on the amount of food available to the cattle. Over the past few years, cows ruined our hunting quite a bit because they were always walking through our hunting areas looking for grass. When the pasture side of the property greened up, they left the huntin area alone. When winter hit this year, the rancher did a good job of keeping them fed, so this season was the best we have had in three years. Still not seeing the same amount of deer that we did before the cows were put on the place 6 years ago, but the numbers are getting better.
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I've very very seldom hunted a place the DIDN'T have cattle. I would make sure the feed pens are sturdy and ready. One thing I've learned is that it has a lot to do w/ how the cows are taken care of. If they have plenty to eat and not over populated, you don't have much to worry about. Heck, I have a feeder set up right now w/ cows and no feeder pen. But, I know this place and know I can get away with it because the cows are well taken care of.
This is us also. They feed and also run very few head. Never had a problem. Had one place though that they would jump a hog panel to get in the pen.
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Old 01-08-2018, 11:00 AM   #32
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My lease has a lot of cattle. We have an all seasons feeder, 4 legged model, that should be easy to knock over. It's not in a pen and it is not staked down and while the cows have been in and around it (even laying under it), they have not done any harm. These cows are well cared-for and I think that's the difference in destructive and cooperative cows.
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We have cattle and goats. Pins made from cattle.panels and t post. Cattle don't bother or pens. Now the goats are different. We had to put a hot wire up to keep them off the fence. But now they don't hardly get close to them.

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Old 01-08-2018, 11:01 AM   #34
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Not the 36" hog panels We use the 42" (I think) with plenty of t posts. If the cows can't lean in on them, they will be less likely to try and jump over.
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This is amazing, but sucks at the same time. You should make a time-lapse video out of the photos.
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Old 01-08-2018, 11:04 AM   #36
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We have had cattle for 20 years. Our pins work great.
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Absolute last thing I would do with a new owner. I would just be thankful I still have a place to hunt. I have never had issues with cattle with pens built like yours. as mentioned worse case add a strand of barbwire but I bet its not needed.
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Old 01-08-2018, 11:16 AM   #38
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I don't have a pen around some of our feeders and cows don't mess with them, but the cows can't reach the timer box either.
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Not reading all the replies. Too many... lol

I have cows and this and my last lease. Last lease I had 3 strand barb wire pens and cows stayed out. Then I built 12 panel cattle panel pens to keep hogs out. Moved next door this last year and put up the cattle panel pens where Froggy had cows tear down small barb wire pens in the past. They just walk right past my panel pens.
I added fawn entrances to the pens this time and have more does and fawns now along with bucks and an occasional smaller pig. Works great!!
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1 cow worth the same as 1 hunter money wise. We have 200 plus cows only a few hunters my vote is for the cattle.
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The main factor will be how well the land owner takes care of his cattle. You can try it with the hog panels and if that doesn’t work you can always run two strands of barb wire around the top.
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This half ton heifer figured out how to clear a 48" cattle panel, daily. No damage to the pen, she would jump in when the feeder threw and jump out when she was done. I wouldn't of believed it if I wouldn't have caught her on video.
I ended up high fencing my feeder, That'll teach her
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Here's the cattle on my lease

They was walking past my feeder. I was curious so I stuck my orange stocking cap out the window to see what they'd do.
They walked over to the blind I was sitting in and milled around for half an hour.
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So will my hog panels be good enough to keep them out? ...
If they have enough grass to graze or other groceries, yes, the hog panels will be enough. If not, you might want to add a top hot wire with a solar charger.
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Old 01-08-2018, 01:14 PM   #46
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If youíre feeder an sling corn outside the pen or even close to the edge itís too small and if they are not well fed you will have problems, especially with short hog panels.

We have cows and rocky soil so getting enough t posts driven is nearly impossible. A couple of us bought deer panels from Rivera Custom Gates out of Lometa. They are free standing and can be moved and installed easily. No problems with the cows at our free choice Protein feeders with them.


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Old 01-08-2018, 02:41 PM   #47
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Not sure if mentioned yet, but they can mess up your popup blinds too. I found by puttting logs around mine, it keeps to them from collapsing the blinds. The cattle don't like stepping over the logs.

Feeder pens with barbwire work great.

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Old 01-08-2018, 03:13 PM   #48
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I hunt family land and have for 30+ years and we run cattle’s. I do not put my feeders in pens and have never had them mess with a feeder. Now horses is a whole different story. The cows will sometimes wonder into a set up that I am hunting and graze through but if your feeder scatters the corn good they cannot pick it up and keep moving. A feeder that has corn stacked up under it due to nothing coming to eat it or something causing it to dump a bunch of corn is a problem. They can pick it up and will start pushing each other around to get the corn and knock over a feeder due to their size.
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Just put a little cooking oil on your corn. Cows and horses can not pick it up. Deer, goats etc can and will pick it up.
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I was on a south texas lease for seven or eight years. When I arrived the existing fifty head of cattle never bothered to stop by the feeders. They were trained that they could not pick up a lot of corn there anyways. Any new cattle dropped on the ranch would hang around the feeders and try to lick the corn off the ground. They finally figured out after six months or so that it was a waste of their time. None of those twelve feeders had feed pens. Never really had problems with the cows. However, that particular ranch now has over 400 head of cattle on it. Big problems. Cows everywhere on 1800 acres. They had to put cattle panels around all of the feeders.
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