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Old 12-05-2017, 08:50 PM   #1
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Wanting to start a handyman business. I am not a licensed electrician. I've done plenty of electrical work for my self and am confident in my abilities, and definitely know where those abilities stop.

How much if any electrical work can I legally do or advertise to do for a customer?

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Old 12-05-2017, 08:54 PM   #2
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:55 PM   #3
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None unless you're a licensed electrician, and working for a licensed contractor.
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:56 PM   #4
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Want to say I read a post on here where a guy bragged his wife loved to set up handymans and report them to the state if they did work that required licensing.
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Want to say I read a post on here where a guy bragged his wife loved to set up handymans and report them to the state if they did work that required licensing.
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Old 12-05-2017, 09:08 PM   #6
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Will you be insured and bonded?
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Old 12-05-2017, 09:17 PM   #7
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When you say you're confident in your abilities, do you mean that it will work or that it is right as per the NEC?
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Old 12-05-2017, 09:19 PM   #8
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I would not hire you because if any damage occurred because of the work you did, my insurance would not cover it. You would have to be licensed and bonded.

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Old 12-05-2017, 09:23 PM   #9
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Old 12-05-2017, 09:48 PM   #10
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I would Not advertise it and if a customer asked for some elect.work to be done and it was with in your capabilities make sure you document with the customer that you can do it but in no way a representing yourself as a licensed electrician.
I don't see how you could get in any trouble as long as your up front and honest
And carry a good liability policy.
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Old 12-05-2017, 09:51 PM   #11
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[QUOTE=WTucker;12989116]None unless you're a licensed electrician, and working for a licensed contractor.[/QUOT

I thought Texas didn't have licensed contractor.
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I thought Texas didn't have licensed contractor.
A licensed Journeyman electrician must work under a Licensed Master electrician. A contractor needs a Masters license on the payroll to do work in Tejas.
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:04 PM   #13
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I once replaced a ceiling fan for a lady on a Saturday.
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:05 PM   #14
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It was pretty intense.
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:08 PM   #15
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Will you be insured and bonded?
I can be. Does that change what I can do?
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I would not hire you because if any damage occurred because of the work you did, my insurance would not cover it. You would have to be licensed and bonded.
Wouldn't hire at all, or wouldn't hire for electrical?
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When you say you're confident in your abilities, do you mean that it will work or that it is right as per the NEC?
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:09 PM   #16
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The lady or the fan
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:17 PM   #17
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Well, remember electricity burns homes down. NEC (National Electric Code) basically comes from the NFPA (National Fire Protection Association).
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:21 PM   #18
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:25 PM   #19
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:28 PM   #20
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I wired my entire Tuff Shed cabin. 5 years later, when I drive up to it, still surprises me that it hasn’t burned down.
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:35 PM   #21
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Rough it then come back with a licensed journeyman to tie it in and pay him a good hourly wage cash
That's what I did and it's all legal and inspected by city
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:48 PM   #22
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What about replacing a plug, switch, light fixture, ceiling fan?

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Old 12-05-2017, 10:49 PM   #23
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NO and No. Here is all the info you need. https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/electricians/elecfaq.htm
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Old 12-05-2017, 11:06 PM   #24
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Not in city limits, outside your fine


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Old 12-05-2017, 11:16 PM   #25
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You cannot legally do electrical work in the State of Texas without proper licensing. It does not matter if you are in the city, county, or anywhere else. Yes, plenty of people get away with it. Alot of them keep the electricians busy...
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Old 12-05-2017, 11:19 PM   #26
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+1, but it is very standard for small timers who flip homes to upgrade all fixtures and do granite, quick remodel, then sell...wouldn't be a bad side gig to cater to outside city limits. I do commercial Christmas lighting and landscape lighting, and I have an electrician who puts in the gfi plugs for me, and then I'm ready to run!
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Old 12-05-2017, 11:28 PM   #27
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Some of ya'll need to read what TDLR has on their website. No work anywhere in the state of Texas except for some exemptions.
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Old 12-05-2017, 11:30 PM   #28
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Some of ya'll need to read what TDLR has on their website. No work anywhere in the state of Texas except for some exemptions.
Exactly. And like you said, there are a few exemptions. One is that you can work on your own home. I think that may be confusing some people.
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Old 12-06-2017, 05:34 AM   #29
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Sad part is that a good percentage of master electricians have grandfathered licenses and aren't worth a damm.
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Old 12-06-2017, 05:50 AM   #30
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I would hire you but I would not ask you to do any electrical work for me.
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Old 12-06-2017, 05:54 AM   #31
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I would not hire you because if any damage occurred because of the work you did, my insurance would not cover it. You would have to be licensed and bonded.
that language isn't in any standard homeowner policy, nor any Lloyd policy that I've ever read.

what carrier wrote your policy?
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Old 12-06-2017, 06:12 AM   #32
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Old 12-06-2017, 06:20 AM   #33
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You might look into a residential appliance installers license.
Not positive but I think it will allow you to change light fixtures.
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Old 12-06-2017, 06:56 AM   #34
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Well, remember electricity burns homes down. NEC (National Electric Code) basically comes from the NFPA (National Fire Protection Association).
Electricity should never burn down a house. If installed incorrectly or faulty components, then maybe. I think that is the point you are trying to make.
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I've done most of the electrical in my house. Had a guy over that was looking at doing some AC work. Asked me who did my electric work when he was in my bathroom looking at a new service box that I had ran. I asked him why- he said it was done very neat and tidy and most people don't take their time. I laughed and he was surprised when I told him it was me. I have since looked at some done in new houses and see what he is talking about - all my wiring was measured and cut to fit instead of cut and then find a place to snake the excess
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Old 12-06-2017, 08:36 AM   #36
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NO and No. Here is all the info you need. https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/electricians/elecfaq.htm
Thanks for the link. That pretty much sums it up.

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Old 12-06-2017, 09:15 AM   #37
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Not positive but I think it will allow you to change light fixtures.
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The lady or the fan
Was it located over her Bed???
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Old 12-06-2017, 09:26 AM   #39
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You cannot legally do electrical work in the State of Texas without proper licensing. It does not matter if you are in the city, county, or anywhere else. Yes, plenty of people get away with it. Alot of them keep the electricians busy...
I guess I missed the sign at the Electrical Aisles at Lowes and Home Depot that says: "Only proper licensed electricians in the State of Texas allowed"
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I guess I missed the sign at the Electrical Aisles at Lowes and Home Depot that says: "Only proper licensed electricians in the State of Texas allowed"
I’m not trying to be a smart*** when I posted that. Then Man asked if it was legal to do it for his business, and it is absolutely not. Pretty simple. It’s funny you mention HD and Lowe’s though. I have been in there quite a few times and overheard their “Electrical Pro” giving wrong advice to a home owner.
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I guess I missed the sign at the Electrical Aisles at Lowes and Home Depot that says: "Only proper licensed electricians in the State of Texas allowed"


You can work on your own house and burn it down legally. You just can’t legally do it on someone else’s.


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I've done most of the electrical in my house. Had a guy over that was looking at doing some AC work. Asked me who did my electric work when he was in my bathroom looking at a new service box that I had ran. I asked him why- he said it was done very neat and tidy and most people don't take their time. I laughed and he was surprised when I told him it was me. I have since looked at some done in new houses and see what he is talking about - all my wiring was measured and cut to fit instead of cut and then find a place to snake the excess
Against NEC for panel to be in a bathroom. Which will come in to play if home is ever sold.

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I guess I missed the sign at the Electrical Aisles at Lowes and Home Depot that says: "Only proper licensed electricians in the State of Texas allowed"
Actually a home owner can do their own electrical work but can not hire someone unless they have a masters license in Texas. There maybe city or county codes that limit this but unless the electrical codes changed since I took them that is what it is. I have wired a couple of my own houses but never hired myself out as I am not a master nor do I consider myself an electrician.
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Actually a home owner can do their own electrical work but can not hire someone unless they have a masters license in Texas. There maybe city or county codes that limit this but unless the electrical codes changed since I took them that is what it is. I have wired a couple of my own houses but never hired myself out as I am not a master nor do I consider myself an electrician.
And must hold a Electrical Contractor License too.

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I’m not trying to be a smart*** when I posted that. Then Man asked if it was legal to do it for his business, and it is absolutely not. Pretty simple. It’s funny you mention HD and Lowe’s though. I have been in there quite a few times and overheard their “Electrical Pro” giving wrong advice to a home owner.

This happens a lot. It’s horrifying to think about what their “experts” dispense on a daily basis.

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Not positive but I think it will allow you to change light fixtures.
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Unfortunately no. They define an appliance as something that is fixed in place (think dishwasher or oven)

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Sad part is that a good percentage of master electricians have grandfathered licenses and aren't worth a damm.

There were even more journeyman that were grandfathered in than masters. Most of them aren’t worth a **** either.

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Actually a home owner can do their own electrical work but can not hire someone unless they have a masters license in Texas. There maybe city or county codes that limit this but unless the electrical codes changed since I took them that is what it is. I have wired a couple of my own houses but never hired myself out as I am not a master nor do I consider myself an electrician.

Just having a masters license isn’t enough any more. You have to go through the whole process of getting a contractor license, and to get that, you must have enough insurance.




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that language isn't in any standard homeowner policy, nor any Lloyd policy that I've ever read.

what carrier wrote your policy?
I haven't read my policy but I thought it was standard in the industry because one of the guys I work with built his wife a restaurant and did all the electrical work himself. When it burned down because of an electrical issue due to improper installation, according to the fire department, his insurance would not cover the damage.

I assumed too much.
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I haven't read my policy but I thought it was standard in the industry because one of the guys I work with built his wife a restaurant and did all the electrical work himself. When it burned down because of an electrical issue due to improper installation, according to the fire department, his insurance would not cover the damage.

I assumed too much.
Pretty much like this
If your paying a premium your getting coverage unless you intentionally do damage.
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Old 12-06-2017, 07:11 PM   #48
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I haven't read my policy but I thought it was standard in the industry because one of the guys I work with built his wife a restaurant and did all the electrical work himself. When it burned down because of an electrical issue due to improper installation, according to the fire department, his insurance would not cover the damage.



I assumed too much.


Keep in mind that commercial code and residential code are much different. I’m sure the policies are as well.


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Old 12-06-2017, 07:16 PM   #49
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just be glad they still let you work on your own house. in some states you cant do anything without a license and a permit.
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Old 12-06-2017, 07:26 PM   #50
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There are stiff penalties with TDLR for doing electrical work without an electrical license. If you get caught you willl get a cease/desist order and can get a very hefty fine.
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