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Old 08-27-2013, 04:09 PM   #1
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Shooting a Samick Sage at 50# but my draw length is 25" (unnaturally stubby arms). Got my brace height right, thanks to this place, and bare shaft tested. I have too much spine on those arrows (Carbon Express hotrods 60/75). My compound arrows are weaker than my recurve set so I put feather fletches on them to try them out. They shoot much worse.
The problem I have is consistency. At fifteen yards I'll get three in a softball sized group and three fliers that have no rhyme or reason where they go.
I've worked hard on my form for four months and I expected to be better by now. Should I be doing better at this length into my experience or is this normal?
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Old 08-27-2013, 04:30 PM   #2
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A little insight into the trad world. We all and I mean we all have bad days... Don't let the odd day discourage you. If you are getting 3 good shots and 3 fliers I assume you are shooting 6 arrows at a time! If you are then I would cut it down to max 2 arrows at a time. Less fatigue and honestly you will feel better in this hear overall. Start each session out by doing this..

Warm up first - not many do this crucial step if you are almost at your draw weight max.
Next - shoot from 5 yards only - when every arrow is within a softball size ( I use an old Duck tape core!) then move back - don't move back 5 yards but maybe a step or 2. repeat until you are hitting within the size again. Keep moving back until you reach your max (what you are comfortable with) eventually you will not need this whole process but, muscle memory is important at this point in time in your shooting.
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Old 08-27-2013, 04:31 PM   #3
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If you still have problems let me know as I live maybe 12 miles away! Don't have a lot of extra time but, I can always swing an hour or so.
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Old 08-27-2013, 04:41 PM   #4
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Great advice, Doug! I will try it tonight. I think one of the things I do is over-do it.
I would really appreciate the help too so I'll take you up on that offer some day.
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Old 08-27-2013, 04:43 PM   #5
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Listen to the Ol Man...I think he has helped all the trad guys on here.
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Old 08-27-2013, 05:35 PM   #6
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Staton, you are for sure not alone in this. I experience this as well sometimes. I'm starting to pay attention to the finer details in my form and mental focus when shooting. Far from perfect, but consistency is getting better. That said, I do have one arrow that no matter what, it likes to drop drastically compared to the others.
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Old 08-27-2013, 05:52 PM   #7
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you may already know this but adding point weight to you arrows will weaken the spine and point of center being forward will help stabilize flight some and increase penetration. I would recommend practicing with 1 arrow. and see if it hits target straight at about 6 yards and follow instructions above for tightening your groups. over shooting will give you bad habits besides how many times does a deer let you shoot 6 arrows at it. ha
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Old 08-27-2013, 07:14 PM   #8
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If you are shooting arrows that are way out of tune (way to stiff or way to weak) you will never get consistent grouping of your arrows. You need to get your arrows somewhat fixed and correct before you will start to see the improvements you are looking for.

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Old 08-27-2013, 08:52 PM   #9
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If you are shooting arrows that are way out of tune (way to stiff or way to weak) you will never get consistent grouping of your arrows. You need to get your arrows somewhat fixed and correct before you will start to see the improvements you are looking for.

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Old 08-27-2013, 09:02 PM   #10
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Started trying what Ol Man said to do but only got a few sets off before the rain and buddies calling, ended it before dark.
Thought about adding weight to the front of my arrows so that may be an answer but what Bisch said is making a lot of sense too, the only problem is money, because I have already spent SO much on arrows and fletches (got the info too late in the game).
I will look into the previous posts and stickies for proper arrows but I would really appreciate any suggestions for arrows at my bow weight and weird draw length.
Thank you so much for all your help, TBH!
I need it badly.
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Old 08-27-2013, 09:28 PM   #11
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Go visit Doug.
He hunted 10 years with a pointy stick before they even had bows
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Go visit Doug.
He hunted 10 years with a pointy stick before they even had bows
Yeah, I think Doug might be the only guy I know theat has actually killed a mastodon!

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Old 08-28-2013, 09:07 AM   #13
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Bisch...You never cease to amaze me.

What Doug said

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Old 08-28-2013, 09:58 AM   #14
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Yeah, I think Doug might be the only guy I know theat has actually killed a mastodon!

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Old 08-28-2013, 12:48 PM   #15
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My feelings is hurt!!!! Gonna cry myself to sleep for at least a month ya'll are so mean!

they were funny tho'!
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Old 08-28-2013, 01:10 PM   #16
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i'm by far, probably one of the least experienced trad shooters on here, but i think if you were to add a little extra info to your original post, it might help to narrow down some areas to check first.

at your current draw length and draw weight, you are probably pulling somewhere around 41-44 lbs. at 25". your arrows are rated at 60-75lbs.

what length are your arrows?
how much weight is at the tip currently?
how are they fletched?
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Old 08-28-2013, 03:01 PM   #17
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Before you start cutting or buying new arras - come on over... I have pretty well any spine that anyone can get or shoot! Have .600 all the way up to .300. I can match you up - in spine and point weight before you go and spend more money!
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Old 08-28-2013, 09:16 PM   #18
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Arrow length = 26" (probably too short)
125 on the front
Fletched with 4" shield cut
Doug, I would love to come over and get some help and it will be appreciated greatly.
I'll be out of town for the weekend moving feeders and such, so next week or weekend I'll get with you to find out what's a good time (or whenever you can have me by).
BTW, tonight the shooting was a little better using what you told me, Doug.
Thanks
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Old 08-28-2013, 09:28 PM   #19
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Oh, Doug I have a great recipe for Mastodon I got back in the day, actually it's Wooly Mammoth, but they're pretty much the same, so if you have some left in the freezer thaw it out.
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Old 08-28-2013, 09:34 PM   #20
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Arrow length = 26" (probably too short)
125 on the front
Fletched with 4" shield cut
Doug, I would love to come over and get some help and it will be appreciated greatly.
I'll be out of town for the weekend moving feeders and such, so next week or weekend I'll get with you to find out what's a good time (or whenever you can have me by).
BTW, tonight the shooting was a little better using what you told me, Doug.
Thanks
125gr. up front is way to light for your setup. It wouldn't surprise me if you needed to be up around 200gr.

Looks like you're in good hands with Doug, though, so y'all should get it dialed in tight.
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Old 08-28-2013, 09:38 PM   #21
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I went and shot with Ben (caughtandhobble) tonight. Every time I go over there i learn something new.

He has a really cool new tattoo in the small of the back. It says "ROD JENKINS". Not sure who he is but Ben really loves him.




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I went and shot with Ben (caughtandhobble) tonight. Every time I go over there i learn something new.

He has a really cool new tattoo in the small of the back. It says "ROD JENKINS". Not sure who he is but Ben really loves him.




You're Wrong as two left shoes... You need to put more heat on your serving nocks, it will probably be OK to just use a lighter
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Old 08-28-2013, 09:51 PM   #23
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Next weekend heading off to Vegas for a few days! I will let you know.. Maybe one night after work for a bit! Heck come over for some T-Rex (wife likes them better) burgers
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Old 08-28-2013, 09:51 PM   #24
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You're Wrong as two left shoes... You need to put more heat on your serving nocks, it will probably be OK to just use a lighter
I figured you'd recommend a propane torch after that comment.
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Old 08-28-2013, 09:52 PM   #25
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I went and shot with Ben (caughtandhobble) tonight. Every time I go over there i learn something new.

He has a really cool new tattoo in the small of the back. It says "ROD JENKINS". Not sure who he is but Ben really loves him.




Ben got a tramp stamp???????

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Old 08-28-2013, 10:34 PM   #26
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Ben got a tramp stamp???????

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Don't worry, it has Bisch above Rod's name
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Old 08-29-2013, 12:00 PM   #27
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I think I need to scratch my eyes out now... and maybe have a lobotomy to erase the picture in my mind!!!
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