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Old 01-23-2017, 07:12 PM   #1
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I've had this hog head coated in 40 volume peroxide going on 1 week. I recoat every day and just can't get the brown and yellow to go away? I wiped the creme away in picture to show the dark spots. What gives?????
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Old 01-23-2017, 07:16 PM   #2
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Needs degreased for a couple months.
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Old 01-23-2017, 07:16 PM   #3
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Someone mentioned you had to degrease hog heads
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Old 01-23-2017, 07:17 PM   #4
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Needs degreased for a couple months.

My guess as well. That or if it was boiled, brains
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Old 01-23-2017, 07:18 PM   #5
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so much work... clean it up, dry it out, and spray paint it white
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Old 01-23-2017, 07:22 PM   #6
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The skull came into contact with liquid fat somewhere in your process, either setting in the sun or during boiling, unfortunately I haven't found anything that will clear it up, it will just keep burning through, you might try setting it in direct sunlight for awhile. Hogs, sheep, and goats can be a real pain to keep fat away from the bone. Another way for hogs is to macerate in water, it sucks, but I get better end results until really hot weather sets in.
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I found if you boil it, the fat drives down deep inside the bone.
You might try soaking it in Dawn dish washing detergent in water for a week to see if you can get it out. I think not, but it's worth a try.

I found that if I sprayed with Binz or Kilz to seal it, then painted they looked great. I posted one on the DIY thread here a couple years ago, it came out nice in black with gold leaf cutters.

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You also need to remove the cutters. The nerves and tissue material inside the tusk will eventually rot and smell horrible. When you do, fill the cutters with epoxy or clear rtv silicon to keep them from shrinking and cracking in the future.

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Old 01-23-2017, 07:36 PM   #8
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Needs degreased for a couple months.
X2 Google hog degreasing. I made a tank that stays at 110 degrees......takes about a month or more in dawn and among a at that temp.
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Old 01-23-2017, 07:38 PM   #9
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It's really not hard at all. I wired a thermostat to a bucket heater. I found the diy on a taxidermy blog somewhere.
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Bleach does wonders
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Might be a dumb question but are you mixing the cream with the powder? Or just the cream?

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Old 01-23-2017, 07:43 PM   #12
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It sat in ant pile for 6 months. ALL was gone! Then I boiled it for 3 hours to remove small particles/germs. Then 3 days degreasing bath. Then Dryed out completely. Now 1 week bleaching. Here's where I sit
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I degrease hogs, bears, etc. for a minimum of 3 months before attempting to whiten
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It sat in ant pile for 6 months. ALL was gone! Then I boiled it for 3 hours to remove small particles/germs. Then 3 days degreasing bath. Then Dryed out completely. Now 1 week bleaching. Here's where I sit


Same some of that for my highlights.


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Old 01-23-2017, 08:13 PM   #15
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I degrease hogs, bears, etc. for a minimum of 3 months before attempting to whiten
And there's my answer ....thanks man!
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Old 01-23-2017, 08:22 PM   #16
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Boil it in oxyclean
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Old 01-23-2017, 08:30 PM   #17
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bury it under ground for a month
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Old 01-24-2017, 06:07 AM   #18
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so much work... clean it up, dry it out, and spray paint it white
Don't paint it.

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I found that if I sprayed with Binz or Kilz to seal it, then painted they looked great. I posted one on the DIY thread here a couple years ago, it came out nice in black with gold leaf cutters.
Again, don't paint it.

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Bleach does wonders
Bleach, especially Clorox, will destroy the bone.

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Boil it in oxyclean
And the skull will get brittle and chalky.

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bury it under ground for a month
And it will look worse, when you dig it up.

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I degrease hogs, bears, etc. for a minimum of 3 months before attempting to whiten
What Jason said. You don't have all the grease out of it. It's a very long process, if done correctly. Like killerbee said, I use a heated tank for degreasing.
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Old 01-24-2017, 07:26 AM   #19
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Try some Simple Green cleaner--it took care of the oil stain on our buddy's concrete patio where the turkey fryer boiled over--
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Old 01-24-2017, 07:32 AM   #20
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Let my wife cook it. It will be bleached out and dryer than a popcorn farther in no time!
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Old 01-24-2017, 07:50 AM   #21
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X2 Google hog degreasing. I made a tank that stays at 110 degrees......takes about a month or more in dawn and among a at that temp.
This but can take up to 4 months for a hog skull
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Old 01-24-2017, 08:16 AM   #22
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The taxi that brings me hog skulls to hydro dip, soaks the skulls in gasoline and it seems to get the grease out. Other wise I would not be able to get the base coat of paint to adhere and I have not had any problems.
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Old 01-24-2017, 08:24 AM   #23
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The taxi that brings me hog skulls to hydro dip, soaks the skulls in gasoline and it seems to get the grease out. Other wise I would not be able to get the base coat of paint to adhere and I have not had any problems.

Gasoline or white gas?
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Old 01-24-2017, 08:31 AM   #24
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My way was way easier than these recommendations:
1. Shot hog.
2. Pretend not to be able to find it.
3. Two years later, 'stumble' across skull (near broken arrow).
4. Pick up missing teeth.
5. Take home and clean up.
6. Display.
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Old 01-24-2017, 08:37 AM   #25
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Thanks for all the helpful replies. Gonna clean it up and put it back in the degreaser bucket for a long while.
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My process only takes 10 minutes
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What processor did I miss the joke?


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Old 01-24-2017, 08:50 PM   #28
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I've done dozens of euros. I've never "degreased" anything.

If you've simmered it clean, I soak it in a bleach water solution for about 30mins, let it dry and then mix the peroxide paste and quick white in to the consistency of cake icing and cake it on the skull. I let it sit overnight with a heater on it. Next morning. It's done.
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Old 01-24-2017, 09:02 PM   #29
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Bad news, your in a corner on this effort. Good news, white paint of your choosing will make it all better. Nice skull btw.
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Old 01-24-2017, 09:34 PM   #30
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I've had good luck soaking pig skulls in acetone to dissolve the grease, typically only takes a couple of weeks completely submerged in acetone. Take them out and let them dry, if they still have dark areas soak them some more. I've never had to degrease like this with deer. I put on high concentration hydrogen peroxide to whiten them after degreasing.
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I've done dozens of euros. I've never "degreased" anything.

If you've simmered it clean, I soak it in a bleach water solution for about 30mins, let it dry and then mix the peroxide paste and quick white in to the consistency of cake icing and cake it on the skull. I let it sit overnight with a heater on it. Next morning. It's done.
Hogs? The last hog I put in 30% bleach crystallized the skull and it became fragile to the touch.
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Be careful with large volumes of acetone. I was a chemist and with any spark it's vapors will do a bad eplosion.


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Old 01-25-2017, 09:08 AM   #33
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My way was way easier than these recommendations:
1. Shot hog.
2. Pretend not to be able to find it.
3. Two years later, 'stumble' across skull (near broken arrow).
4. Pick up missing teeth.
5. Take home and clean up.
6. Display.
^^^this seems way easier.

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Old 01-25-2017, 09:09 AM   #34
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I've done dozens of euros. I've never "degreased" anything.

If you've simmered it clean, I soak it in a bleach water solution for about 30mins, let it dry and then mix the peroxide paste and quick white in to the consistency of cake icing and cake it on the skull. I let it sit overnight with a heater on it. Next morning. It's done.
This, without the heater part. I no longer try the ant bed or maceration process because it leaves a yellow tint and stinks, especially in the brain cavity. During the last boil I add the dawn soap, wash it off then let it sit in a bleach bath for a couple hours, that seems to get rid of the smell. Last step is to wash that off and apply the peroxide and let it sit over night. Now all my euros are white and don't smell
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Let my wife cook it. It will be bleached out and dryer than a popcorn farther in no time!


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I have boiled all mine hog and deer with oxyclean and when done mix the peroxide paste and leave on for as long as you want spray it off with water hose and let dry.
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My way was way easier than these recommendations:
1. Shot hog.
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3. Two years later, 'stumble' across skull (near broken arrow).
4. Pick up missing teeth.
5. Take home and clean up.
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Old 01-25-2017, 10:58 AM   #38
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Any of the "whitening" you get has to have heat to activate, just like when you see the old ladies sitting under the heater at walk salons. But before all of that, you need to boil the head in water and Dawn, and then pull teeth, and boil some more. After that I would get the liquid 20 percent and simmer in that for a while checking to see when it's white.
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Old 02-03-2017, 08:42 PM   #39
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Alright pulled it out of the Dawn bath today and am able to scrape off the yellow with my thumbnail down to white bone. Do I power wash it at this point or contune to let it soak until the soap pulls it off the bone?
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Go ahead and clean up as good as possible. Then make a new batch of clean water and soap and do it all over again.
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Let it completely dry out then post pic. Sit in front of fan to speed up process. Honestly you will never get all of grease out of the bone the way you are doing it
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The heat in the degreaser is what does most of the work not the soap
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Let it completely dry out then post pic. Sit in front of fan to speed up process. Honestly you will never get all of grease out of the bone the way you are doing it
How should I be doing it???? Put it back on the burner in a degreasing bath??
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Old 02-03-2017, 09:28 PM   #44
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Boil it in oxyclean
Man I never thought of that. That stuff is an amazing product. Make an old dirty greasy lease hat pretty as the day it first hit your head.

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The heat in the degreaser is what does most of the work not the soap
Agree completely but a lot of detergent with good heat should do it.

I also change portions of the hot water while it's cooking. In my own mind I'm removing exposure to the fat/grease that has been cooked/cleaned out.
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Agree completely but a lot of detergent with good heat should do it.

I also change portions of the hot water while it's cooking. In my own mind I'm removing exposure to the fat/grease that has been cooked/cleaned out.
Ok I will do this today. Boil it in Dawn detergent.
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Well I let soak another month and it's looking better. Still some yellow on the underside but top is better. Still a little bit of stank on the bottom where the yellow is.
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Well I let soak another month and it's looking better. Still some yellow on the underside but top is better. Still a little bit of stank on the bottom where the yellow is.
Look at my post again up top You are still only at 2 months!!
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