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    It's obvious here who doesn't pay for their own insurance. Why should they care what insurance cost? Maybe, just maybe they have a sizable deductible, and reality will slap them in the face one day. But then again, if you don't have to pay for your own insurance, the deductible is really no big deal.

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      Originally posted by Ironman View Post
      It's obvious here who doesn't pay for their own insurance. Why should they care what insurance cost? Maybe, just maybe they have a sizable deductible, and reality will slap them in the face one day. But then again, if you don't have to pay for your own insurance, the deductible is really no big deal.
      I pay $450 per month for a family plan and have a $4k deductible before my insurance starts paying 80/20 then I keep paying until I've reached $10k paid in a calendar year then they pay 100% after that.

      Only way I've reached those levels is by having a kid.

      Each time we have reached that $10k limit.

      Thank God but now kids only go for shots and check ups a couple times per year.

      I'll pay 10% more if everyone was able to have health care.

      How is that any different than guys not in o&g saying they'd pay $3.50 for a gallon of gas when it is only $2.00 to keep a handful of folks employed in the oil patch?

      It's all a form of socialism.

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        Originally posted by Ironman View Post
        It's obvious here who doesn't pay for their own insurance. Why should they care what insurance cost? Maybe, just maybe they have a sizable deductible, and reality will slap them in the face one day. But then again, if you don't have to pay for your own insurance, the deductible is really no big deal.
        It's also obvious who is benefitting from this 'tax' & not recognizing govt run health care is a disaster all over the globe...if it is not repealed & addressed properly, it is going to completely spring board our economy into turmoil. The facts show it's a disaster, yet they do not care about the books. dam the torpedoes, right??

        I do not have a lot of faith they will get it right, but do applaud they are foregoing their scheduled vacation / recess to address the situation. Likely all window dressing, but looks good.

        If you want it fixed right, make every law maker in DC have to abide & use the same system they are passing laws for us...this is the problem. The folks who say it's so awesome won't even acknowledge the folks who passed this are totally exempt from it's practice & have tax payer 1st class care till they are dead.

        Pathetic to even try & support this disastrous law indeed...trying to side skirt it with education is even more pathetic & a typical angle. Horrible law that is bleeding us out & the future will prove it if too blind to see what it has already done. EVERYONE'S healthcare coverage has gone up substantially accept for the ones who are riding the tax payers coat tails. Not a debate anyone can win if focused on the merits / facts. Pathetic.

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          Originally posted by texansfan View Post
          I pay $450 per month for a family plan and have a $4k deductible before my insurance starts paying 80/20 then I keep paying until I've reached $10k paid in a calendar year then they pay 100% after that.

          Only way I've reached those levels is by having a kid.

          Each time we have reached that $10k limit.

          Thank God but now kids only go for shots and check ups a couple times per year.

          I'll pay 10% more if everyone was able to have health care.

          How is that any different than guys not in o&g saying they'd pay $3.50 for a gallon of gas when it is only $2.00 to keep a handful of folks employed in the oil patch?

          It's all a form of socialism.
          $450 a month? 4K deductible? Mine was higher than that LONG before ACA. I could afford two median mortgages for what insurance is costing now, with a 10K deductible.

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            Originally posted by Ironman View Post
            $450 a month? 4K deductible? Mine was higher than that LONG before ACA. I could afford two median mortgages for what insurance is costing now, with a 10K deductible.
            I would not be surprised if he is receiving one of those tax payer funded subsidies to get it that low.

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              Originally posted by Ironman View Post
              $450 a month? 4K deductible? Mine was higher than that LONG before ACA. I could afford two median mortgages for what insurance is costing now, with a 10K deductible.
              I get my health insurance from an employer that has over 50k employees. 10k of those being in Texas.
              Also, that's my portion. I don't know how much the company pays to the health insurer.
              Everyone's compensation package us different.
              Some of those above me pay nothing for their health coverage.

              Sounds like most TBH work for tiny companies with under 100 employees where y'all can rattle off the number of employees that went to ACA because premiums rose too high.

              Also, I only pay $450 to insure my family.
              The company gives me free health care for myself.
              Actually I think all employees get medical coverage included but to add a spouse or kids you have to pay.
              My wife can get health insurance through her company but she can't see her doctor on her companies plans so she's on mine and my job charges us a $100 per month penalty because of it.

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                Originally posted by texansfan View Post
                I get my health insurance from an employer that has over 50k employees. 10k of those being in Texas.
                Also, that's my portion. I don't know how much the company pays to the health insurer.
                Everyone's compensation package us different.
                Some of those above me pay nothing for their health coverage.

                Sounds like most TBH work for tiny companies with under 100 employees where y'all can rattle off the number of employees that went to ACA because premiums rose too high.

                Also, I only pay $450 to insure my family.
                The company gives me free health care for myself.
                Actually I think all employees get medical coverage included but to add a spouse or kids you have to pay.
                My wife can get health insurance through her company but she can't see her doctor on her companies plans so she's on mine and my job charges us a $100 per month penalty because of it.
                As far as I'm concerned, you have absolutely no right, whatsoever to even comment on this thread, due to the simple fact that you have absolutely no clue what the ACA is doing to the majority of taxpayers in this country. Period!

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                  Originally posted by Artos View Post
                  It's also obvious who is benefitting from this 'tax' & not recognizing govt run health care is a disaster all over the globe...if it is not repealed & addressed properly, it is going to completely spring board our economy into turmoil. The facts show it's a disaster, yet they do not care about the books. dam the torpedoes, right??

                  I do not have a lot of faith they will get it right, but do applaud they are foregoing their scheduled vacation / recess to address the situation. Likely all window dressing, but looks good.

                  If you want it fixed right, make every law maker in DC have to abide & use the same system they are passing laws for us...this is the problem. The folks who say it's so awesome won't even acknowledge the folks who passed this are totally exempt from it's practice & have tax payer 1st class care till they are dead.

                  Pathetic to even try & support this disastrous law indeed...trying to side skirt it with education is even more pathetic & a typical angle. Horrible law that is bleeding us out & the future will prove it if too blind to see what it has already done. EVERYONE'S healthcare coverage has gone up substantially accept for the ones who are riding the tax payers coat tails. Not a debate anyone can win if focused on the merits / facts. Pathetic.
                  LoL
                  What about farmer welfare?
                  Everybody needs health care and education.
                  Whatever it costs.
                  Pay it.

                  When someone goes to Africa and comes back with Ebola or goes to Brazil and brings us Zika Tokyo brings us SARS.
                  Then can't afford health care then comes to work and infects you then you may sing a different tune.

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                    Originally posted by texansfan View Post
                    LoL
                    What about farmer welfare?
                    Everybody needs health care and education.
                    Whatever it costs.
                    Pay it.

                    When someone goes to Africa and comes back with Ebola or goes to Brazil and brings us Zika Tokyo brings us SARS.
                    Then can't afford health care then comes to work and infects you then you may sing a different tune.
                    Last I checked, hospitals can't refuse service. Which brings me back to my simple question I asked you before. Still waiting on your answer.

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                      Originally posted by Ironman View Post
                      As far as I'm concerned, you have absolutely no right, whatsoever to even comment on this thread, due to the simple fact that you have absolutely no clue what the ACA is doing to the majority of taxpayers in this country. Period!
                      LoL ate you serious?
                      I work both sides of the coin.
                      I help those that Can't afford coverage find financial assistance programs (I help drug companies design the programs) and I help those that can afford it get the best treatment money can buy.

                      I see folks that don't even have insurance they pay cash for everything
                      Hundreds of thousands of dollars they just sign off on it and it gets done.

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                        Originally posted by texansfan View Post
                        LoL ate you serious?
                        I work both sides of the coin.
                        I help those that Can't afford coverage find financial assistance programs (I help drug companies design the programs) and I help those that can afford it get the best treatment money can buy.

                        I see folks that don't even have insurance they pay cash for everything
                        Hundreds of thousands of dollars they just sign off on it and it gets done.
                        Ahhhh! So your part of the pharmaceutical problem, AND the welfare problem. Makes perfect sense now!

                        Who were you calling biased?
                        Last edited by Ironman; 07-11-2017, 08:31 PM.

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                          Originally posted by Ironman View Post
                          Ahhhh! So your part of the pharmaceutical problem, AND the welfare problem. Makes perfect sense now!

                          Who were you calling biased?
                          If you notice, it is easy to demand others do things you want when it's at the point of a gun. If there were no punitive fines and people weren't scared of going to jail or having their insurance jerked away by the Gubmint or making it unsustainable so they must do without, I have a feeling attitudes would change quickly. Let him stop making money from it and we'll see how good an idea he thinks it is.

                          I also want to know what happened to the stats back during the election when the overwhelming majority believed O-care is a terrible idea. Now, Trump is Prez and supposedly the populace believes it is great? Forgive my skepticism.

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                            I would also add, I bet he budgets his own finances differently than the crap he wants to impose on the rest of us. I asked before for him to comment on my freedom to make my own financial decisions and he deflected the hell out of that question.

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                              Originally posted by Livin'2hunt View Post
                              I would also add, I bet he budgets his own finances differently than the crap he wants to impose on the rest of us. I asked before for him to comment on my freedom to make my own financial decisions and he deflected the hell out of that question.
                              Oh, you can bet he is milking the **** out of any and every program possible.

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                                Originally posted by texansfan View Post
                                You're forced to pay to educate children of those who earn zero dollars per year.
                                Do you hate funding your local ISD as well?

                                Wnt not let the kids be dumb as rocks if their parents don't care enough to teach them RRR or the parent don't want to pay for them kids learning.

                                I think at a minimum every human being should be able to read, write and do long division as well as not to love with a medical or physical ailment.

                                Is that too much to provide your neighbor?
                                Originally posted by Ironman View Post
                                It's obvious here who doesn't pay for their own insurance. Why should they care what insurance cost? Maybe, just maybe they have a sizable deductible, and reality will slap them in the face one day. But then again, if you don't have to pay for your own insurance, the deductible is really no big deal.
                                I don't pay for my healthcare I get that good VA insurance thanks to the operations I served in!! But, when I see my brother paying over 300 a month with a 3500 dollar deductible, or the single mom whose rates went from 150 a month for her and her 5 year old to 500 a month with a 6000 (was 1500) dollar deductible when she works for a company that employs 250K people!!!!! That is total BS..

                                Now to the funding of my beloved HISD (who my wife works for). I would love to cut my tax dollars from going to any school that does not consistently perform! At my wifes school (which is a title 1 low income school) they get more funding that most schools. Well why is my wife and other teachers having to pull money from their own pockets to pay for supplies for students, I don't mean like pencils and papers, I mean like having to buy entire classroom sets of books to read or do math? Really, where are my tax dollars. What about when the teachers are paying for uniforms and transportation for the school sports teams? Where my money? You can say cancel those sports programs, but then you send these kids home early where their parents don't give a crap about them, they just see them as their ticket to a government check and the next hit from their crack pipe. But, that just runs the risk of those kids joining gangs like MS13. Great. Meanwhile, our superintendent was hired away from San Francisco ISD and make well into the 6 figures, how much do the trustees make that rarely go to work. Glad to see my money is going to a great cause! Meanwhile, she teaches with people who say grades don't matter and they just continue to pass kids. My wife was a first year teacher and when she got her 43 3rd graders only 4 of them had a reading level above 1st grade, thats what I like paying for. But thank god there are some teacher like my wife that have a bit of heart, she worked 12 hours a day and 6 days a week (only 5 hours on saturdays) doing extra tutorials, generally every morning two days during the afternoon then every saturday. They are suppose to get extra pay for working over time, she was only paid for 4 hours of overtime though.... because of "funding issues". Wheres my money?

                                maybe it is going to schools like waltrip high school that are way over budget and over a year late on its remodel? Same with lee high school, oh I mean "wisdom high school" because robert e lee was a racist, that cost a few hundred grand......

                                theres better ways to do things, we gotta figure it out. I know throwing more money at a money pit isnt the answer...

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