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Old 02-07-2020, 08:34 AM   #1
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Default Are things built to last anymore?

Saw a few truck threads and got me thinking in general are things built to last anymore? Or be easily fixed by a guy and keep them going? I know we live in a use it and throw it out type of society but seems worse and worse.

People buying trucks to trade them after 2-3 years with 30,000 miles (i know some people that is their thing and thats ok)

Buying parts for things isnt always the easiest and seems those replacement parts are meant to get it by for a bit.

My truck (2012 Ram) is one of those things a burned up cam shaft at 150k miles. Known problem they fix it the same way and say bring it in when it does it again. Seems like a patch hoping i sell it and trash it for another "make it until the warranty runs out truck"


Was wondering everyones thoughts.
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Old 02-07-2020, 08:37 AM   #2
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I buy everything I can used and drive vehicles for several years. But yes, with repair costs on small appliances and tools so high, just buying another is best sometimes

My thoughts on vehicles is I will pay 1500 to fix a problem rather than 70K to "fix" it....
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Old 02-07-2020, 08:41 AM   #3
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210k on my dodge still going strong. I think things are made better now actually, mechanically anyway. Now the plastic bumpers and crap like that is another story. As far as the engine and trannies go, they seem to hold up better. That being said , still buy used.
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Old 02-07-2020, 08:46 AM   #4
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Vehicles are the best they’ve ever been. I have no clue how old you are, but when I was a youngster your engine was ready for an overhaul around 80K, and that would only last for 30/40K. It was time for a short block after that. Brake jobs were a yearly affair or more depending on how you drove and what load you were stopping.

I’ve put 200K+ on many trucks in the last 15 years and some never had brake pads replaced. Even though they are stupid expensive, today’s vehicles are much better than the older ones.

Now to your other point, I wouldn’t even think about trying to work on one.
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Old 02-07-2020, 08:47 AM   #5
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Are things built to last? Yes.

Most vehicles these days will go 300k miles before major repairs. For example, apart from the typical things that fail, my F250 has 149k on it, and the interior looks brand new, exterior looks really good, transmission and engine are strong, doesn't burn any oil (Apart from diesel). I fully expect to get at least 300k out of it before any overhaul, or trade in.

When you read those threads about things built to last, remember the squeaky wheel gets the grease. No one is posting about how great their truck with 75k on it is doing, because that's what it's supposed to do.
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Old 02-07-2020, 09:18 AM   #6
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Old 02-07-2020, 09:28 AM   #7
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American made sheet metal brakes are made to and do last more than a lifetime


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Old 02-07-2020, 09:32 AM   #8
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Vehicles are the best they’ve ever been. I have no clue how old you are, but when I was a youngster your engine was ready for an overhaul around 80K, and that would only last for 30/40K. It was time for a short block after that. Brake jobs were a yearly affair or more depending on how you drove and what load you were stopping.

I’ve put 200K+ on many trucks in the last 15 years and some never had brake pads replaced. Even though they are stupid expensive, today’s vehicles are much better than the older ones.

Now to your other point, I wouldn’t even think about trying to work on one.
This. 30 years ago could you imagine driving a vehicle 100-150k miles before it needed to be worked on? We live in amazing times when it comes to vehicle technology and reliability.....anyone that thinks differently is just wrong.

That being said, for what they cost, some could argue they could last longer.
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Old 02-07-2020, 09:33 AM   #9
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Some things are, some aren't.

People aren't trading their vehicles in every few years because they are wearing out, it's because we have to be cool kids with cool new toys.

As has already been said, even bottom tier vehicles today are incredible compared to vehicles from 20 years ago.
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Old 02-07-2020, 10:42 AM   #10
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We live in a disposable country these days.
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Old 02-07-2020, 10:56 AM   #11
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Here is a video of a hotshot driver reviewing his 400k Cummins, seems pretty well designed for longevity
https://youtu.be/lbOAP-ZnsZY
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Old 02-07-2020, 01:45 PM   #12
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Agree with the above. They are made better. They last longer and require much less maintenance on average than the previous vehicles.

You made a poor choice on the dodge.
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Old 02-07-2020, 01:59 PM   #13
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Default Are things built to last anymore?

My experience is that vehicles last longer than ever.

I don’t own a vehicle with less than 165k miles on it. The highest mileage one we own has 287k on it.

You rarely heard of that even as little as 25 years ago and certainly not in the “good ole days” that some like to fawn over.


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Old 02-07-2020, 02:24 PM   #14
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My experience is that vehicles last longer than ever.

I don’t own a vehicle with less than 165k miles on it. The highest mileage one we own has 287k on it.

You rarely heard of that even as little as 25 years ago and certainly not in the “good ole days” that some like to fawn over.


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Yep those “good ole days “ I remember when you had full service gas stations and the attendants had to check your oil ,radiator,transmission fluid every time we filled up. On brand new vehicle’s, those days are long gone . Some stuff is engineered much better ( engine, transmission) and some stuff is engineered to have planned obsolescence ( smartphones, tv’s , computers)
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Old 02-07-2020, 02:28 PM   #15
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Vehicles are the best they’ve ever been. I have no clue how old you are, but when I was a youngster your engine was ready for an overhaul around 80K, and that would only last for 30/40K. It was time for a short block after that. Brake jobs were a yearly affair or more depending on how you drove and what load you were stopping.

I’ve put 200K+ on many trucks in the last 15 years and some never had brake pads replaced. Even though they are stupid expensive, today’s vehicles are much better than the older ones.

Now to your other point, I wouldn’t even think about trying to work on one.
So much this!

Cars run for 400k now and don't even burn oil! I know guys with 150k on 3/4 ton trucks that have never put brakes on them.
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Old 02-07-2020, 02:37 PM   #16
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So much this!

Cars run for 400k now and don't even burn oil! I know guys with 150k on 3/4 ton trucks that have never put brakes on them.
Yep.

I remember my granddad would get rid of a truck the second it hit 100k miles because it was gonna be crap after that back in the 80s.
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Old 02-07-2020, 02:38 PM   #17
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I agree that vehicles last longer now than they used to. Now with that said there are parts on them that are designed to fail at a certain point. The only time I had issue with this is on my 2009 VW Jetta TDI. The VW design back then for their TDIs had multiple catalytic converters and a diesel particulate filter. The diesel particulate filter would become full and rupture between about 220k and 240k miles. This is not an owner serviceable part and I got a quote to replace it for $3,500. I ended up taking VW up on their buyback program and received $9,900 for an 8 year old car with 245K miles.

Every vehicle I have had that I drive daily or I consider "my" vehicle, I have put at least 200k miles on each of them going back to my first vehicle I bought myself while in college.

1987 Ford Escort EXP - 214k miles
1994 Ford F150 - 240k miles
2001 Ford F350 Powerstroke - currently at 220k miles and still going
1998 Mazda Protege - 320k miles
1996 Mazda Protege - 380k miles
2009 VW Jetta TDI - 245k miles
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Old 02-07-2020, 02:46 PM   #18
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Nah-- vehicles last longer than they used to.
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Old 02-07-2020, 03:57 PM   #19
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Old 02-07-2020, 04:33 PM   #20
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2004 4Runner, 213000 miles.
It isn't just the really recent vehicles that hold up. The "newest" vehicle in our household is my 2WD 2003 Tacoma TRD. Has around 210K miles, and I assume it's going to go a lot more years. So much cheaper than buying new, yet still runs great.
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Old 02-07-2020, 04:47 PM   #21
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I have a 2013 tundra with 185k on it that was been flawless, knock on wood.

Wife commutes to and from work with it daily and I drive it 1000k miles round trip to the deer lease multiple times a year and never think twice.

They last longer than ever now days, but are still overpriced.


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Old 02-07-2020, 05:02 PM   #22
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Not car related but our microwave oven is from 1986. That son of a gun sure ain't the prettiest but it heats better than any others I have used. I keep threatening to replace it with something that looks nicer but, I just can't bring myself to do it.

We also have a backup, full sized refrigerator that has been running great since 1988.
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Old 02-07-2020, 05:37 PM   #23
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Perhaps the question should be: are we content with caring for the things we have, or is it easier to throw away and rebuy? My grandma has two working gas ranges that are over 70 years old, a fridge and a freezer that are well over 60. She has taken great care of them and they still work great.

Manufacturers are selling to the disposable consumer, quality it's not the top priority... it's getting your money

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Old 02-07-2020, 05:53 PM   #24
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Vehicles are the best they’ve ever been. I have no clue how old you are, but when I was a youngster your engine was ready for an overhaul around 80K, and that would only last for 30/40K. It was time for a short block after that. Brake jobs were a yearly affair or more depending on how you drove and what load you were stopping.



I’ve put 200K+ on many trucks in the last 15 years and some never had brake pads replaced. Even though they are stupid expensive, today’s vehicles are much better than the older ones.



Now to your other point, I wouldn’t even think about trying to work on one.


This all day long and number two don’t buy a Dodge


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Old 02-07-2020, 06:31 PM   #25
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Some vehicles last longer and are built better than others, but in general, vehicles last way longer than they used to. I usually get a new vehicle every 2-3 years but not because I need to. It's just because I like having a new truck. I put a lot of miles on them. I have already put over 18k miles on my new truck in 6 months.
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