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Old 12-06-2017, 12:38 PM   #1
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Old 12-06-2017, 12:52 PM   #2
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Old 12-06-2017, 12:56 PM   #3
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Bad deal, article said right hand the picture is his left.
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Old 12-06-2017, 12:57 PM   #4
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Old 12-06-2017, 01:17 PM   #5
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Looks like a 22 RF, 22 Magnum, or a 17 RF. Was there something plugging up the barrel.
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Old 12-06-2017, 01:23 PM   #6
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The article states it was a muzzleloader with bad metallurgy
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Old 12-06-2017, 01:24 PM   #7
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Holy ****!

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Old 12-06-2017, 01:41 PM   #8
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Advertised as "smokeless powder capable." Who would have guessed the guns would start blowing up.?????
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Old 12-06-2017, 01:43 PM   #9
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Yea multiple lawsuits already settled and more coming down the pipe...
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Old 12-06-2017, 01:45 PM   #10
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The article is about muzzle loaders. And mention at least 3 different cases.

The rifle shown, does not appear to be a muzzle loader (the bolt is throwing me off there).

Savage claims that people are blending powder for some reason and that is causing the blowups.

Sounds confusing to me. Is it a product failure, or misuse? Can a forensic chemist isolate whether powder was blended?



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Old 12-06-2017, 01:47 PM   #11
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Advertised as "smokeless powder capable." Who would have guessed the guns would start blowing up.?????


That was my first thought as well. You slightly over charge with black powder odds of big bang are low. But it doesn't take much with smokeless.


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Old 12-06-2017, 01:48 PM   #12
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Good reason to shoot a bow.
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Old 12-06-2017, 02:33 PM   #13
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The article is about muzzle loaders. And mention at least 3 different cases.

The rifle shown, does not appear to be a muzzle loader (the bolt is throwing me off there).

Savage claims that people are blending powder for some reason and that is causing the blowups.

Sounds confusing to me. Is it a product failure, or misuse? Can a forensic chemist isolate whether powder was blended?



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the one in the pic is in fact a muzzleloader, you can see the ram rod holder on the bottom of the barrel
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Old 12-06-2017, 02:36 PM   #14
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I dont see a muzzle loader on their site,so guessing these guns are older
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Old 12-06-2017, 02:43 PM   #15
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The article is about muzzle loaders. And mention at least 3 different cases.

The rifle shown, does not appear to be a muzzle loader (the bolt is throwing me off there).

Savage claims that people are blending powder for some reason and that is causing the blowups.

Sounds confusing to me. Is it a product failure, or misuse? Can a forensic chemist isolate whether powder was blended?
bolt action ML's were developed in the early 1990's and Savage was the first company to offer a production "bolt action" ML in 2000. Rifles were designed to use 209 shot shell primers and smokeless powder. One of the first Savage M10ML's blew up in 2004, as a result of the poor breech plug design.

There are close to a dozen "blow ups". The pics all look eerily similar with the point of breaking (explosion) at the recoil lug, Savage nut, and breech plug location. The Savage M10ML's were produced from 2000 until 2010 when they were discontinued. Savage offered a M10ML II in 2012 that was a special order only. IIRC, sales were poor and that too was discontinued. Remington currently produces a bolt action ML, not sure who else does.

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Old 12-06-2017, 02:59 PM   #16
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Learn something new every day.

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Old 12-06-2017, 03:10 PM   #17
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Who the hell would buy that anyway when there are companies that make ML for their sole business instead of a manufacturer "tinkering" in the market?? Yikes...
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Old 12-06-2017, 05:50 PM   #18
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It was the only muzzy loader with instructions to use smokeless powder. If someone used the wrong or too much powder could easily see that happening
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Old 12-06-2017, 06:08 PM   #19
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Ouch
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Old 12-06-2017, 06:10 PM   #20
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Bad deal, article said right hand the picture is his left.
Mirrored image?
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Old 12-06-2017, 06:20 PM   #21
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Bad deal, article said right hand the picture is his left.
Guy in the photo is Trent Procter who injured his left hand, guy mentioned in body of the article is Ronald Hansen who injured his right hand.
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Old 12-06-2017, 06:56 PM   #22
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Looks like a 22 RF, 22 Magnum, or a 17 RF. Was there something plugging up the barrel.
It’s a muzzleloader!!
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Old 12-06-2017, 07:49 PM   #23
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Savage has always been trash! Wouldn’t take one even if it as free!

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Old 12-06-2017, 09:01 PM   #24
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The article states it was a muzzleloader with bad metallurgy
I am going to say there was something in the barrel other than the one bullet that was supposed to be in the barrel.
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Old 12-06-2017, 09:48 PM   #25
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I am going to say there was something in the barrel other than the one bullet that was supposed to be in the barrel.
Unfortunately this same problem has happened a dozen times. Savage has since discontinued this rifle. IMO, the problem is poor design and inferior barrel steel (metallurgy) not being able to withstand the pressure at the weakest point, thus blowing up.

I don't see other manufacturers bolt action ML's blowing up.
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Old 12-06-2017, 11:01 PM   #26
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I think there may be some blame on user error. I’ll about guarantee I can replicate those results with any rifle by replacing Varget or 4350 with bullseye.
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Old 12-06-2017, 11:07 PM   #27
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dang... I used to have one of those muzzle loaders
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Old 12-07-2017, 05:36 AM   #28
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It's like he's holding up his good hand for comparison, in case anyone doesn't know what a hand is supposed to look like.
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Old 12-07-2017, 06:26 AM   #29
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I own one Savage. Glad it is in a small caliber. .223.
This is not good for any manufacturer.
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Old 12-07-2017, 08:02 AM   #30
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Savage has always been trash! Wouldn’t take one even if it as free!
Not really. Just because you may not care for them doesn't mean they are trash.

My Model 12 300wsm has never had a problem killing critters at all.
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Old 12-07-2017, 08:11 AM   #31
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Old 12-07-2017, 01:49 PM   #32
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Not really. Just because you may not care for them doesn't mean they are trash.

My Model 12 300wsm has never had a problem killing critters at all.
To each their own! One man's trash is another man's treasure
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Old 12-07-2017, 04:06 PM   #33
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Savage has always been trash! Wouldn’t take one even if it as free!
They've come a long way buddy. I used to say the same thing until I shot one then bought one in 6.5 Creedmoor...love that rifle.
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