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Old 09-20-2018, 03:22 PM   #101
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I've read the books and I've actually been over there on two different big 5 hunts. Been within 40 yards of elephant that winded us and luckily went away from us.
Also had to track a wounded leopard at night. Wasn't fun. I was scared. So was everyone one of the PHs and trackers. Luckily the cat was dead on arrival. Can you honestly say in that situation if someone was attacked that night you were running to their rescue? What were you going to do when you got to the scene?
You have obviously been there and done it. Can we all agree that MH is a bad sob? Hopefully he is there to save us all when the s hits the fan. He's obviously read 100's of books and knows exactly how he'd act if confronted by a griz.
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I've read the books and I've actually been over there on two different big 5 hunts. Been within 40 yards of elephant that winded us and luckily went away from us.
Also had to track a wounded leopard at night. Wasn't fun. I was scared. So was everyone one of the PHs and trackers. Luckily the cat was dead on arrival. Can you honestly say in that situation if someone was attacked that night you were running to their rescue? What were you going to do when you got to the scene?
Most likely anything I could. This is no different than a rig blowing up, and going in to drag a buddy out, even if you get burned, or a cop walking into a hail of bullets to save his partner, or a soldier doing the same for his buddy, or an unarmed citizen taking out a shooter, and on and on. The fact that it's a bear, makes no difference does it? I been in lots of situations, some involving a gun pointed at me, so yes, I'm confident in saying, I wouldn't turn tail and run. Used to be the way, all men were.
And yet everybody wants to stand up and holler COME AND TAKE IT lol. When they show up and have guns, they won't have to take it, y'all will probably gift wrap it and hand em to them.
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Old 09-20-2018, 03:31 PM   #103
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You have obviously been there and done it. Can we all agree that MH is a bad sob? Hopefully he is there to save us all when the s hits the fan. He's obviously read 100's of books and knows exactly how he'd act if confronted by a griz.
Yep, glad you figured all that out, I was tired of typing
But you might wanna hope there is someone around with a pair, when SHTF.
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Old 09-20-2018, 03:32 PM   #104
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Thanks. I hope the guide felt no pain. Hell of a way to go.
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Yep, glad you figured all that out, I was tired of typing
But you might wanna hope there is someone around with a pair, when SHTF.
I there with you MadHatter. I wouldn't want to hunt in Grizz country with someone that wouldn't commit to helping me if we are attacked. Heck, that is the reason I hunt with someone in Grizz country in the first place!

The Florida dude was a coward. Pure and simple.
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I won't post it here but google wes perkins bear attack in Alaska. He lost his entire face in a grizzly attack. Pic are very graphic to say the least. They seem to focus on the head and face.
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I there with you MadHatter. I wouldn't want to hunt in Grizz country with someone that wouldn't commit to helping me if we are attacked. Heck, that is the reason I hunt with someone in Grizz country in the first place!

The Florida dude was a coward. Pure and simple.
Not sure why you want to keep calling the man a coward. You don't know all the facts or what his guide may have instructed him to do. Or what you would do in the same situation. You think you know.
The bravest guys I know don't tell you how bad they are and what they would do if this or that happens.
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Old 09-20-2018, 04:23 PM   #108
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I there with you MadHatter. I wouldn't want to hunt in Grizz country with someone that wouldn't commit to helping me if we are attacked. Heck, that is the reason I hunt with someone in Grizz country in the first place!

The Florida dude was a coward. Pure and simple.
Interesting perspective, pulled from a horse, swung around and all probably within 20 seconds from initial encounter.

Iíd probably restrain from calling a man in a situation via facts you know second hand and in a situation you never been in a coward.

All around tragedy, nothing more nothing less
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Not sure why you want to keep calling the man a coward. You don't know all the facts or what his guide may have instructed him to do. Or what you would do in the same situation. You think you know.
The bravest guys I know don't tell you how bad they are and what they would do if this or that happens.
We do know most of the story. The guy tossed him a gun, knew it didn't make it to him, and the last he saw of the guide he was not only alive but still on his feet.

This story does irritate me more than things on the interwebs usually do. I have hunted twice in AK and 5 times in MT for a couple of months combined total in the Grizzly backwoods. Fear of Grizzlies has come up. It has been discussed by me personally over many an actual backwoods campfire.

Everyone is scared of Grizzlies. That is why most of us hunt with a buddy in Grizz country and don't get seperated beyond hearing distance. This dude broke the code. He left his hunting partner when he needed him.

In this day and age of baseless accusations, wildly prejudicial opinions and super arrogant and braggadocious personalities I am right there with you and disliking and even disdaining rushes to judgment.

The guy in question here, by his own admission, admits to the very definition of cowardice. Even an inclination against prejudice should conclude that cowardice is, by definition, cowardice.
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Not sure why you want to keep calling the man a coward. You don't know all the facts or what his guide may have instructed him to do. Or what you would do in the same situation. You think you know.
The bravest guys I know don't tell you how bad they are and what they would do if this or that happens.
If the guide instructed him? Seems like that's the first thing you would mention, after saying you ran away.....
And I'm not tooting my own horn, or saying I'm brave. This has nothing to do with bravery, or being a bad*****. Obviously it all flew right over your head.
This is about another humans life, it's about morality, decency, and doing what you hope someone would do for you. So saying I know what I would do, has nothing to do with being tough.
My 5ft grandmother, would have charged that bear with her hands, to save one of her sons, without a second thought. My father would have done it for me, or my mother. I suppose since he didn't know the guy, it's cool though. Would y'all stand up for one of your kids, or do you not know? Does love make that decision for you?
And this argument is playing out, based on what we know and how it appears. So far as I've seen or heard nothing shows otherwise, so we are arguing a specific scenario.
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We do know most of the story. The guy tossed him a gun, knew it didn't make it to him, and the last he saw of the guide he was not only alive but still on his feet.

This story does irritate me more than things on the interwebs usually do. I have hunted twice in AK and 5 times in MT for a couple of months combined total in the Grizzly backwoods. Fear of Grizzlies has come up. It has been discussed by me personally over many an actual backwoods campfire.

Everyone is scared of Grizzlies. That is why most of us hunt with a buddy in Grizz country and don't get seperated beyond hearing distance. This dude broke the code. He left his hunting partner when he needed him.

In this day and age of baseless accusations, wildly prejudicial opinions and super arrogant and braggadocious personalities I am right there with you and disliking and even disdaining rushes to judgment.

The guy in question here, by his own admission, admits to the very definition of cowardice. Even an inclination against prejudice should conclude that cowardice is, by definition, cowardice.
Touche. Well said.
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If the guide instructed him? Seems like that's the first thing you would mention, after saying you ran away.....
And I'm not tooting my own horn, or saying I'm brave. This has nothing to do with bravery, or being a bad*****. Obviously it all flew right over your head.
This is about another humans life, it's about morality, decency, and doing what you hope someone would do for you. So saying I know what I would do, has nothing to do with being tough.
My 5ft grandmother, would have charged that bear with her hands, to save one of her sons, without a second thought. My father would have done it for me, or my mother. I suppose since he didn't know the guy, it's cool though. Would y'all stand up for one of your kids, or do you not know? Does love make that decision for you?
And this argument is playing out, based on what we know and how it appears. So far as I've seen or heard nothing shows otherwise, so we are arguing a specific scenario.

Simple question. Your deep sea fishing and you buddy falls over and is attacked by a great white. What do you do? Do you jump in after him? Do you do your best to save him while not getting in the water? I can be honest and say I am not jumping in. What does that make me?
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Simple question. Your deep sea fishing and you buddy falls over and is attacked by a great white. What do you do? Do you jump in after him? Do you do your best to save him while not getting in the water? I can be honest and say I am not jumping in. What does that make me?
Apples and oranges. I tell you what you DON'T do is fire up the engine and speed away with your buddy still alive and obviously still showing a lot of vitality.
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Old 09-20-2018, 04:46 PM   #114
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I just hope the people in charge will look a little closer into all of this! Something stinks about this bear attack!
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Apples and oranges. I tell you what you DON'T do is fire up the engine and speed away with your buddy still alive and obviously still showing a lot of vitality.
Exactly!!! The shark might leave, you might have time to grab a bang stick, etc..but as he just said, if you fire up the motor and drive away, you'll never know, and that makes you a coward.
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Simple question. Your deep sea fishing and you buddy falls over and is attacked by a great white. What do you do? Do you jump in after him? Do you do your best to save him while not getting in the water? I can be honest and say I am not jumping in. What does that make me?
What if it was your son or daughter. What's the last thing you would tell them, as they looked you in the eye while getting eaten? Love you baby, wish I could help, stay strong, and I'll see you heaven .
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Exactly!!! The shark might leave, you might have time to grab a bang stick, etc..but as he just said, if you fire up the motor and drive away, you'll never know, and that makes you a coward.
You don't sound like the kind of guy that would leave your buddy to fend off a Grizzly by himself unarmed. That is a good thing!
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Apples and oranges. I tell you what you DON'T do is fire up the engine and speed away with your buddy still alive and obviously still showing a lot of vitality.
Say your wade fishing and a great white attacks him. Not apple and oranges in that case.
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If the guide instructed him? Seems like that's the first thing you would mention, after saying you ran away.....
And I'm not tooting my own horn, or saying I'm brave. This has nothing to do with bravery, or being a bad*****. Obviously it all flew right over your head.
This is about another humans life, it's about morality, decency, and doing what you hope someone would do for you. So saying I know what I would do, has nothing to do with being tough.
My 5ft grandmother, would have charged that bear with her hands, to save one of her sons, without a second thought. My father would have done it for me, or my mother. I suppose since he didn't know the guy, it's cool though. Would y'all stand up for one of your kids, or do you not know? Does love make that decision for you?
And this argument is playing out, based on what we know and how it appears. So far as I've seen or heard nothing shows otherwise, so we are arguing a specific scenario.
I can say I would definitely give up my life fighting a grizzly for one of my kids or loved ones. Would I sacrifice my life to save a guide? I'd do everything I could to help. But two guys being grizzly poop ain't helping him much. Would you jump in front of a train to push a homeless dude out of the way, knowing you'd be killed by the train? I think it does matter your relationship with the person.
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What if it was your son or daughter. What's the last thing you would tell them, as they looked you in the eye while getting eaten? Love you baby, wish I could help, stay strong, and I'll see you heaven .
Family is different. Same as war. I'm not leaving the battlefield either. I know what I signed up for. I think both guys made a mistake that day. Only the hunter that is still living knows if he did everything he could to help the guide. I can't judge him for what he did. That's between him and God.
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unbelievable the judgement passed by armchair quarterbacks on this. SMH

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sad story but this article made me laugh , on getting the bears ....ďThey fit the description."...
lol me too...
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I just hope the people in charge will look a little closer into all of this! Something stinks about this bear attack!
Please share your theory!
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Say your wade fishing and a great white attacks him. Not apple and oranges in that case.
One of my friends, WE'RE fighting a shark. I'm wade fishing and see a random stranger getting attacked by a shark WE'RE fighting a shark.
You've pretty much painted a picture of who you are.

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unbelievable the judgement passed by armchair quarterbacks on this. SMH

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lol me too...
He is going hunting in Wyoming again next year with a bow. He doesn't know how to operate a firearm. Would you go with him?
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One of my friends, WE'RE fighting a shark. I'm wade fishing and see a random stranger getting attacked by a shark WE'RE fighting a shark.
You've pretty much painted a picture of who you are.

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And I'm not even a little bit religious, but it is the way I was raised.
From your description, I'd have to say you and Pat Tillman are cut from the same cloth. Although I doubt Pat ever told anybody what he'd do when SHTF. He just did it.
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Family is different. Same as war. I'm not leaving the battlefield either. I know what I signed up for.
The guide and most likely the hunter knew they were in an area where they were not the highest on the food chain. They knew what they signed up for.

Same as being on a boat. If the captain doesnt go over where the EPIRB is, the life jackets, radio, etc, I would for sure ask. If I am in bear country, I am going to ask the guide if he has a gun, and probably what kind it is, and probably where it is as well.
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I don’t know anything about bears. However I do know a lot about horses. Been around them all my life and ride all day everyday. I have never seen or heard of a horse that would stick around in the middle of a bear attack. Horses are prey animals and their flight instinct is much greater than their fight instinct. The hardest I’ve ever been bucked off was because of a covey of quail. When anything jumps at, runs at or startles a horse, believe me they are going somewhere with or without you. The part of the survivor’s story about the horses is just unbelievable to me.
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A portion of the article linked above....

The gut pile drag mark heading downhill drew searchers attention away from where Uptain had died 50 yards uphill from the elk carcass, in a grove of timber. The nature of the 37-year-oldís fatal injuries and lack of a drag trail uphill suggest that he was able to walk after the initial attack, about 50 yards, but ultimately was killed by the grizzlies near where he was found.

Sad to think he might have had a chance had he had his pistol or someone else there to help him. Not sure how it happened and don't want to judge because at the end of the day none of us really know what our response would have been. Just a tragic event that unfortunately occurs from time to time. Personally, I think it's way more dangerous out in the metro-jungle or out driving than out in the wilds of nature.

thanks for posting the article. the most detailed one so far. **** shame the family lost their father at such an early age.

it reminds me of the ending of legends of the fall when the indian says it was a good death. i hate to romantisize it ,but going head to toe with a grizzy and saving the life of the hunter is one hell of a way to go.

i hope the man from florida always remembers this man and tries to live up to his sacrifice.

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From your description, I'd have to say you and Pat Tillman are cut from the same cloth. Although I doubt Pat ever told anybody what he'd do when SHTF. He just did it.
No, but I bet he knew inside. He wasn't undecided, and he dang sure knew he wasn't gonna leave a friend out to dry. He knew all this without a doubt. He never made a comment to a buddy, "I hope Indians or outlaws never get after us, cuz I'm not sure if I would have your back or not, BUDDY .
And what did I say I would do, other than not run away?
Believe whatever you like. My comments are in no way, braggadocio. Sorry if you see it as that.

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First of all, prayers for all involved. Terrible tragedy. I can’t keep from thinking of the hunter getting attacked himself then getting a gun he didn’t know how to use. At that point, he’s trying to help.I’m just curious, what was he supposed to do then? Grab that bear by the hind leg and drag him down the mountain? I’ve seen a lot of men that would not even get in a fistfight with a man much less tackle a couple of grizzlies. I guarantee you there are very few men that would have gone in for a second round with a bear without a gun.
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First of all, prayers for all involved. Terrible tragedy. I canít keep from thinking of the hunter getting attacked himself then getting a gun he didnít know how to use. At that point, heís trying to help.Iím just curious, what was he supposed to do then? Grab that bear by the hind leg and drag him down the mountain? Iíve seen a lot of men that would not even get in a fistfight with a man much less tackle a couple of grizzlies. I guarantee you there are very few men that would have gone in for a second round with a bear without a gun.
That my thought, he already threw the gun. What is he supposed to do, watch? All around tragedy.


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The guide and most likely the hunter knew they were in an area where they were not the highest on the food chain. They knew what they signed up for.

Same as being on a boat. If the captain doesnt go over where the EPIRB is, the life jackets, radio, etc, I would for sure ask. If I am in bear country, I am going to ask the guide if he has a gun, and probably what kind it is, and probably where it is as well.
What if the hunter didn't know the right question to ask?

For example, if I am going fishing with a guide, I would ask where the life jackets are, and how to contact someone should he be incapacitated. But I have never heard of an EPIRB, have no idea what it does, or why it's important. Since I don't know about it, how would I even know to ask?

I can't imagine not knowing how to shoot a pistol, but I also can't imagine going into bear country without at least bear spray. The article from yesterday is silent on what the client did or didn't have. I would say it's irresponsible of the client to show up without anything, and its irresponsible for the guide to allow the hunt to happen after the dude showed up with no protection.
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But I have never heard of an EPIRB, have no idea what it does, or why it's important. Since I don't know about it, how would I even know to ask?
Thats the point of why you have the conversation, before the poop hits the fan.

The guide and his client were it some remote areas, they rode horseback in, and werent hunting. What did they talk about during the ride in, were they in silence, that would have been a good time to talk about strategy, maybe go over how a pistol works, maybe tell the guide you dont know how to operate a pistol.

I dont go out with a lot of hunting guides, but I do fish a lot with guides. At the dock, on the ride out, when you are rigging up, while you are fishing, all they do is talk strategy. As they should.

Another analogy. I SCUBA dive, it is pretty much entirely based off of the buddy system. Before going in the water, you go over everything with your buddy, your dive master, the guy in the boat, the dive plan, the oh poop plan, hand signals. Pretty much the first rule of SCUBA is, dont leave your buddy.
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I donít know anything about bears. However I do know a lot about horses. Been around them all my life and ride all day everyday. I have never seen or heard of a horse that would stick around in the middle of a bear attack. Horses are prey animals and their flight instinct is much greater than their fight instinct. The hardest Iíve ever been bucked off was because of a covey of quail. When anything jumps at, runs at or startles a horse, believe me they are going somewhere with or without you. The part of the survivorís story about the horses is just unbelievable to me.
I agree, I know nothing about 1ís will power to stay and fight,
But horses are a different animal. Itís hard for me to believe that a horse would let a bear, black, Brown , white it doesnít matter get close enough to pull a rider off its back is unheard of.
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I don’t know anything about bears. However I do know a lot about horses. Been around them all my life and ride all day everyday. I have never seen or heard of a horse that would stick around in the middle of a bear attack. Horses are prey animals and their flight instinct is much greater than their fight instinct. The hardest I’ve ever been bucked off was because of a covey of quail. When anything jumps at, runs at or startles a horse, believe me they are going somewhere with or without you. The part of the survivor’s story about the horses is just unbelievable to me.
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I agree, I know nothing about 1’s will power to stay and fight,
But horses are a different animal. It’s hard for me to believe that a horse would let a bear, black, Brown , white it doesn’t matter get close enough to pull a rider off its back is unheard of.
I don't recall reading anything (other than here, where I've seen it mentioned multiple times) about the bears pulling either man from their horses.

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Mark Uptain was removing the head of a four-by-four bull elk for his client, Corey Chubon. (not likely on a horse)
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As the bear first hit Uptain, who carried bear spray in a hip-slung holster, Chubon went for a Glock that his guide had left with their gear a few yards uphill. (presumably not on a horse)
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Chubon, whose leg, chest and arms were lacerated by the bruin, ran for his life.
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Bolting from the chaos, Chubon huffed it uphill to the duo’s horses (presumably tethered to something to keep them from wandering off...no indication of how far uphill), mounted one and rode uphill to a ridgeline
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Old 09-21-2018, 10:59 AM   #136
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Still way to much speculation and ad lib to the story to fit a certain narrative.
Most likely the horses were tied to a high line that's typically what's done when you have horses and you're off of them you don't just let them graze or wander off they are your ride out of there.
Some of these quarterbacks don’t possess the rugged qualities of Big Wonderful Wyoming and shouldn't venture beyond their true comfort zones.
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Old 09-21-2018, 11:03 AM   #137
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Not taking any sides on this at all cause there are numerous differing stories on the event but I do have experience of hunting and fishing in brown/grizzly bear country and have had close encounters several times but never charged and pray I never am in that situation whether it’s a false charge or real charge.

Something to think about is no matter how bear aware or experienced you are, when a predator as big as a bear wants you as their food or sees you as a true threat to them, there is no stopping it, it is what it is, you’re in their world and not at the top of the food chain anymore. If you can some how take out their central nervous system or get lucky enough to get away, you or the bear is losing its life When SHTF, thats the only outcomes. With that said, it’s an awful thing this happened and prayers up for all those involved in the tragic situation.
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I believe every word of the survivor's story.

If he were to make up a story it wouldn't iikely involve him being a coward and fleeing the scene.
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Old 09-21-2018, 11:25 AM   #139
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The horses were tied away from the carcass.
Grizz go for the head while black bears go for the guts. Not sure why but it' been stated many times about bear attacks.

I know one GW in on the sow taking. The facts they stated are the way it happened. The bear is at the lab in Laramie for genetic testing. Those guys know their bears and if they say they got the right ones , they did.

Come on up all you brave guys. I'm staying out of grizz country till we get a hunting season. Call me a scaredy cat.
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I don't recall reading anything (other than here, where I've seen it mentioned multiple times) about the bears pulling either man from their horses.








Can somebody share a link?
Is that the link you're looking for Michael?
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Old 09-21-2018, 11:28 AM   #141
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I believe every word of the survivor's story.

If he were to make up a story it wouldn't iikely involve him being a coward and fleeing the scene.
Good point!
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Old 09-21-2018, 11:30 AM   #142
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Thats the point of why you have the conversation, before the poop hits the fan.

The guide and his client were it some remote areas, they rode horseback in, and werent hunting. What did they talk about during the ride in, were they in silence, that would have been a good time to talk about strategy, maybe go over how a pistol works, maybe tell the guide you dont know how to operate a pistol.

I dont go out with a lot of hunting guides, but I do fish a lot with guides. At the dock, on the ride out, when you are rigging up, while you are fishing, all they do is talk strategy. As they should.

Another analogy. I SCUBA dive, it is pretty much entirely based off of the buddy system. Before going in the water, you go over everything with your buddy, your dive master, the guy in the boat, the dive plan, the oh poop plan, hand signals. Pretty much the first rule of SCUBA is, dont leave your buddy.
I think we agree, and we would ask the same questions if the guide didn't inform us. Bottom line is, Florida guy didn't ask, and Guide didn't tell, and it turned out bad.
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Is that the link you're looking for Michael?
No, that's the article I quoted from, and seems to have the most recent and reliable info. I'm just curious where the people that have posted about either rider being pulled off a horse's back are getting that information from. Has it been mentioned in an article or is it just speculation (or misinterpretation)?
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No, that's the article I quoted from, and seems to have the most recent and reliable info. I'm just curious where the people that have posted about either rider being pulled off a horse's back are getting that information from. Has it been mentioned in an article or is it just speculation (or misinterpretation)?
I believe that was misinterpretation from one of the early articles that was posted...

Maybe from this part of the second article in the first post.

"Chubon's father, who was on the trip but did not go with the two to get the animal, said he was told the two men were pulling the elk's carcass out of the woods on horseback when two bears attacked."

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I don't recall reading anything (other than here, where I've seen it mentioned multiple times) about the bears pulling either man from their horses.








Can somebody share a link?
Michael, here ya go: https://www.ammoland.com/2018/09/bea...#axzz5RkgJ7x5e


Chubon's father made some statements early on that were apparently incorrect.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/grizzly...juring-client/

"According to his father, Chubon was grabbed by the ankles and tossed off of his horse. Chubon was able to point a pistol at the bear, but the animal knocked it out of his hands. Uptain was grabbed by the same bear and dragged into the woods, the station reported."

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No, that's the article I quoted from, and seems to have the most recent and reliable info. I'm just curious where the people that have posted about either rider being pulled off a horse's back are getting that information from. Has it been mentioned in an article or is it just speculation (or misinterpretation)?
I know you're new around here, but I believe the correct term is "pulling it out of their ***", sir. If they don't have all the facts, they'll just make them up.
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i know you're new around here, young fella, but i believe the correct term is "pulling it out of their ***", sir. If they don't have all the facts, they'll just make them up.:d

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I believe that was misinterpretation from one of the early articles that was posted...

Maybe from this part of the second article in the first post.

"Chubon's father, who was on the trip but did not go with the two to get the animal, said he was told the two men were pulling the elk's carcass out of the woods on horseback when two bears attacked."
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Michael, here ya go: https://www.ammoland.com/2018/09/bea...#axzz5RkgJ7x5e


Chubon's father made some statements early on that were apparently incorrect.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/grizzly...juring-client/

"According to his father, Chubon was grabbed by the ankles and tossed off of his horse. Chubon was able to point a pistol at the bear, but the animal knocked it out of his hands. Uptain was grabbed by the same bear and dragged into the woods, the station reported."
Ah. I guess once the misinformation is out there it's hard to make it go away.
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Well of course....everyone is a "young fella" when you're making the determination.
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