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Old 10-18-2018, 05:40 PM   #51
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In theory, Beto.

Surely they've insured their livestock. The only reason the law has been changed is because someone with money greased some palms. Ridiculous law IMO. Does this mean if someone's escaped elk finds itself in the grill of someone's vehicle said driver can sue the owner?
If I see an elk on our place it will end up on a grill. Multiple times.
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Old 10-18-2018, 05:45 PM   #52
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Old 10-18-2018, 05:46 PM   #53
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Pretty sure Iím in the minority here, but I donít want exotics or introduces genetics where I hunt. I enjoy hunting native white tails and seeing what they can become. Iíd have no problem shooting an axis, fallow or what ever, just donít want them on my place. Itís my only problem with high fence, bring in animals from other countries or states is cool until they get out. Not a positive in my opinion. Lucky for me Iím a pretty good distance from the closest high fence and lots of Bohemians between me and them.
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Old 10-18-2018, 05:58 PM   #54
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Old 10-18-2018, 06:09 PM   #55
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You getting a lot of exotics on the 20 acres in Pecos county?
You would be surprised. We shot elk, blackbuck, etc on our place. Thank you DR Horton!!
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Old 10-18-2018, 06:23 PM   #56
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You would be surprised. We shot elk, blackbuck, etc on our place. Thank you DR Horton!!
We've actually seen a couple blackbuck doe (never got a shot at) and my brother's taken a few merino rams. None had tags.
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Old 10-18-2018, 06:43 PM   #57
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not to mention a lot of ranchers including some folks on TBH will lose a lot of hard earned resources and money when those exotics become "free ranging" as you call it.

not a good outcome
Sorry, you bought livestock that cannot be claimed... You knew the risk when you got into the business. Not saying it doesn't suck just saying it's part of the game
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Old 10-18-2018, 06:50 PM   #58
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BEWARE! It's now illegal in Texas to shoot an exotic with a clearly visible ear tag without making several attempts to locate the owner. I teach hunters ed occasionally and only recently learned about this law that's been on the books for a few years now.
Riiiiiiight
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Old 10-18-2018, 06:54 PM   #59
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You would be surprised. We shot elk, blackbuck, etc on our place. Thank you DR Horton!!
He got the last laugh and bought our ranch, lol
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Old 10-18-2018, 07:03 PM   #60
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If I see an elk on our place it will end up on a grill. Multiple times.

Yup, if an exotic walks through our place then Iím sorry bout your loss
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Old 10-18-2018, 07:08 PM   #61
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BEWARE! It's now illegal in Texas to shoot an exotic with a clearly visible ear tag without making several attempts to locate the owner. I teach hunters ed occasionally and only recently learned about this law that's been on the books for a few years now.
That's funny
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Old 10-18-2018, 07:14 PM   #62
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I never heard of the ear tag law. If even true those tags fall off all the time
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Old 10-18-2018, 07:18 PM   #63
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I never heard of the ear tag law. If even true those tags fall off all the time


Especially when you cut them with a pair of wire pliars.


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Old 10-18-2018, 07:20 PM   #64
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Old 10-18-2018, 07:45 PM   #65
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Now how can I get the number from said tag if he ain't laying down?
Just like steer wrestling.
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Old 10-18-2018, 08:49 PM   #66
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BEWARE! It's now illegal in Texas to shoot an exotic with a clearly visible ear tag without making several attempts to locate the owner. I teach hunters ed occasionally and only recently learned about this law that's been on the books for a few years now.
What?? This is silly... So do we just walk up and see who's name is on the ear tag or just ask the animal where it belongs?
I get the gist of the whole thing but it's not practical at all..
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Old 10-18-2018, 09:38 PM   #67
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If you can’t or won’t control your animals it should be everyone else’s problem. I understand there are unforeseen circumstances, but maybe you should buy a good insurance policy.
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Old 10-18-2018, 09:59 PM   #68
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Shoot......remove tags (if any)......take LDP's, post pix (or not) as you see fit.
I feel bad for those that might lose animals, but it is, what it is......

As far as that GW taking the dude's Aoudad, there should be more than just a hunch involved in identifying said animal, or that's pure BS, IMHO. Not saying GW can't/won't impose his will, but come on man.....
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Old 10-19-2018, 08:58 AM   #69
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In theory, Beto.

Surely they've insured their livestock. The only reason the law has been changed is because someone with money greased some palms. Ridiculous law IMO. Does this mean if someone's escaped elk finds itself in the grill of someone's vehicle said driver can sue the owner?
You should be able to, because I can sue you if I hit your cow on the road and exotics are treated like livestock.
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Old 10-19-2018, 09:11 AM   #70
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Do ranchers really think they have a chance to get back an escaped animal? I would think it would be long gone. Unfortunately that seems like it would just be a part of the business. We had some black buck escape from a HF place around the corner from us about 7 years ago and one of them was killed on our lease, nobody had a problem with it. We called the GW to let him know. Iíll have my head on a swivel this weekend, something else couldíve escaped off the same place.
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Old 10-19-2018, 09:20 AM   #71
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Unless there is a new code where you can get a name and address off an ear tag that reads 24, those tags are useless.
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Old 10-19-2018, 09:21 AM   #72
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Not the Hill country but someone posted on a local Springtown page last night that they saw a moose feeding by 199 (no pictures of course). If true it had to have gotten out of someone's game ranch or it is a weird pet to have haha.
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Old 10-19-2018, 09:58 AM   #73
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How would a landowner recapture an escaped exotic animal if ownership could be determined? Helicopter?
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Old 10-19-2018, 10:05 AM   #74
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They dart them , load them up take them back .


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Old 10-19-2018, 10:05 AM   #75
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Shoot......remove tags (if any)......take LDP's, post pix (or not) as you see fit.
I feel bad for those that might lose animals, but it is, what it is......

As far as that GW taking the dude's Aoudad, there should be more than just a hunch involved in identifying said animal, or that's pure BS, IMHO. Not saying GW can't/won't impose his will, but come on man.....
Loose lips sunk my clients ship (aoudad) he was told by GW to return all parts or face a class c misdemeanor, evidently told the GW it had a tag when he shot it that was his downfall and the clincher. Could he have fought it, probably but maybe not; it was a pretty crappy deal that he had to return it but lots of lessons to be learned from it. SSS is the biggest lesson.....
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Old 10-19-2018, 10:10 AM   #76
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Could be an interesting season. My place is very close to the OX ranch. I've always wanted to shoot a bongo or white elk.
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Old 10-19-2018, 10:29 AM   #77
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How would a landowner recapture an escaped exotic animal if ownership could be determined? Helicopter?
Man hours locating and darting. They are considered livestock. Owners have full right to go in and retrieve their animals.

I had a Fallow get out Tuesday morning. He was located 2 miles from the ranch at 10am. Around 12pm he made his way back to ranch onto a neighbors property. Neighbors contacted me and I had him keep an eye on him. Arrived at ranch and did everything I could to keep eyes on him. Dart gun arrived at 10:30pm and we had him asleep by 11:30. Loaded him up and he is now back in with all of his doe.

If someone would have shot him I wouldn't have done anything. It's part of running a ranch. Animals will get out and some will get in. I don't believe it's against the law to kill escaped exotics or deer but if it is I wouldn't press charges. My responsibility to keep my animals in. If I can't do that then fair game to wherever they roam. You want to shoot through the fence and trespass then I will hang you high up in a tree and let the migrating buzzards clean you up!
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Old 10-19-2018, 10:31 AM   #78
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I hate what all the landowners in the flooding waters are dealing with. Terrible situation.
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Old 10-19-2018, 10:32 AM   #79
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Man hours locating and darting. They are considered livestock. Owners have full right to go in and retrieve their animals.



I had a Fallow get out Tuesday morning. He was located 2 miles from the ranch at 10am. Around 12pm he made his way back to ranch onto a neighbors property. Neighbors contacted me and I had him keep an eye on him. Arrived at ranch and did everything I could to keep eyes on him. Dart gun arrived at 10:30pm and we had him asleep by 11:30. Loaded him up and he is now back in with all of his doe.



If someone would have shot him I wouldn't have done anything. It's part of running a ranch. Animals will get out and some will get in. I don't believe it's against the law to kill escaped exotics or deer but if it is I wouldn't press charges. My responsibility to keep my animals in. If I can't do that then fair game to wherever they roam. You want to shoot through the fence and trespass then I will hang you high up in a tree and let the migrating buzzards clean you up!


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Old 10-19-2018, 10:54 AM   #80
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Not the Hill country but someone posted on a local Springtown page last night that they saw a moose feeding by 199 (no pictures of course). If true it had to have gotten out of someone's game ranch or it is a weird pet to have haha.
Hmmmm....whereabouts on 199?
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Old 10-19-2018, 10:54 AM   #81
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Could be an interesting season. My place is very close to the OX ranch. I've always wanted to shoot a bongo or white elk.
I share a fence line with them. There are some really nice animals in the area.
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Old 10-19-2018, 11:05 AM   #82
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I share a fence line with them. There are some really nice animals in the area.


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Old 10-20-2018, 11:41 AM   #83
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Whitetail you have a certain amount of time to get them back in. After that they are property of the state.
I didnít realize that whitetail could be considered personal property. I thought they always belonged to the state even behind high fence.
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Old 10-20-2018, 01:38 PM   #84
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When your feeding it hand corn and the ear tag says buttskin on it just go ahead and hit it between the eyes with a three pound hammer
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Old 10-20-2018, 01:40 PM   #85
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BEWARE! It's now illegal in Texas to shoot an exotic with a clearly visible ear tag without making several attempts to locate the owner. I teach hunters ed occasionally and only recently learned about this law that's been on the books for a few years now.
Pfffffft. Just take out the tag before the LDP.
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Old 10-20-2018, 02:02 PM   #86
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When your feeding it hand corn and the ear tag says buttskin on it just go ahead and hit it between the eyes with a three pound hammer


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Old 10-20-2018, 02:17 PM   #87
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BEWARE! It's now illegal in Texas to shoot an exotic with a clearly visible ear tag without making several attempts to locate the owner. I teach hunters ed occasionally and only recently learned about this law that's been on the books for a few years now.
I would need the definition of "several attempts" does this include spinning and looking around in a circle whispering "hello owner of this animal come get him or I'm going to shoot him"?
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Old 10-20-2018, 02:21 PM   #88
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I already have all manner of free ranging exotics on my place. I also have an HF neighbor to the south (none have tags that I've seen). He also stocked a herd of blackbuck this summer, but I've seen free ranging ones within 2 miles on a few occasions. It would be impossible to tell where anything came from, especially in light of the last few weeks weather.
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I already have all manner of free ranging exotics on my place. I also have an HF neighbor to the south (none have tags that I've seen). He also stocked a herd of blackbuck this summer, but I've seen free ranging ones within 2 miles on a few occasions. It would be impossible to tell where anything came from, especially in light of the last few weeks weather.
Same here. We already see axis, fallow, B.B., Aoudad. Whoís to say an ibex or watusi wasnít free range too?
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Old 10-20-2018, 03:18 PM   #90
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Are exotic animals that happen to show up on my property fair game?

It depends! If an exotic animal has a visible tag, brand, or other identifying mark, a person should contact the local sheriff's office and report the exotic animal. Texas estray laws apply to marked exotic animals and the local sheriff is responsible for their enforcement. Exotic animals that are not marked and are free ranging that have wandered onto private property may be hunted with a hunting license, provided the owner of the property allows hunting. However, if an exotic animal appears on your property and you know that it is privately owned, then the ethical approach is to contact the owner.
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Old 10-20-2018, 04:05 PM   #92
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Considered livestock if branded, banded or tagged.
If they are considered livestock, are ranchers insure their herd?
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Old 10-20-2018, 05:57 PM   #93
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You have to see what we pull off of 8 acs in Kerrville

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Old 10-20-2018, 08:47 PM   #96
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Heck, most of the breeders have probably been milked dry and they're unable to use natural service. I saw a doe riding the back of a monstrous whitetail inside a h/f and he continued to graze.
Go figure?
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BEWARE! It's now illegal in Texas to shoot an exotic with a clearly visible ear tag without making several attempts to locate the owner. I teach hunters ed occasionally and only recently learned about this law that's been on the books for a few years now.
I know you are right but that law is bull****


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This is in fact a new law and GWs will pursue this. Had a customer bring in an aoudad he shot on his property (not lease) behind his house and bring in to be mounted, 3 weeks earlier and 7 miles away a high fence had been vandalized and fence tore down. 4 weeks after harvest GW investigates and takes cape and horns. Crazy law but true.....
If that is all there is to the story that is bull**** too

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Man hours locating and darting. They are considered livestock. Owners have full right to go in and retrieve their animals.
so you can just go wherever you want to look for loose livestock without owner consent?
I would hope someone would ask before they start just coming on my place

Had some red deer get out of a neighboring place and get on me. I called people I knew would know the owner to let them know they were out and I gave them the opportunity to do what they could to get them back
In the end, I ate 2 of them

I hate the fact that landowners lost fences, animals or anything in the flooding

But ultimately that was a risk you take when you buy any living thing and try to keep it

In some cases it is more likely than others depending on location, I'm sure lots of folks affected by this round had a very low risk of flood

Buff lost a waterbuck to alfalfa I think, other critters to bobcats and yotes

All kinds of risks when it comes to raising/keeping any kind of critters
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Old 10-20-2018, 09:02 PM   #98
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This is in fact a new law and GWs will pursue this. Had a customer bring in an aoudad he shot on his property (not lease) behind his house and bring in to be mounted, 3 weeks earlier and 7 miles away a high fence had been vandalized and fence tore down. 4 weeks after harvest GW investigates and takes cape and horns. Crazy law but true.....
Beware y'all better not shoot any more hogs I lost one 3 years ago and the pigs on your place might be mine.

Hill country exotics, or many came from the lbj ranch
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