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Old 03-19-2018, 10:03 AM   #1
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I just got the e-mail from Hagerman NWR, this is the last year they will be conducting the draw for the deer hunt.

In 2019 all draws will be through the TPWD draw system.
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Old 03-19-2018, 10:08 AM   #2
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I just read that too. Wow, that sucks. I noticed it stated "required" to be a part of TPWD public draw system. Curious as to what initiated that move. It could take many years before getting drawn under that system.
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Old 03-19-2018, 10:21 AM   #3
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Ughhhhh

At least the BH ed requirement should remain.
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Old 03-19-2018, 10:22 AM   #4
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Man that sucks! Wonder what happens to the guys with points built up. I have 3 points going into this year's draw. Hopefully, I am drawn!
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Old 03-19-2018, 10:22 AM   #5
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Sucks for all those that never got drawn and had built up points.

**** govt bureaucrats are always jacking with stuff.
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Old 03-19-2018, 10:28 AM   #6
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That sucks.

How is it required? It is federal land.

Year 1 we will all have zero points, but there were be 10,000 of us putting in for the draw.
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Old 03-19-2018, 10:31 AM   #7
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Ouch.
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Old 03-19-2018, 10:37 AM   #8
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That sucks.

How is it required? It is federal land.

Year 1 we will all have zero points, but there were be 10,000 of us putting in for the draw.
That was my thoughts too. I wonder if they were tired of messing with it or the State requested it or ???. Im not sure they will be able to regulate it and have requirements such as bow ed. and the proficiency test if its under the Tx Public draw system. Idk, as stated before bureaucracy at work!
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Old 03-19-2018, 10:38 AM   #9
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I never got that email
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Old 03-19-2018, 10:42 AM   #10
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I never got that email
I got it this morning, its with the Seg B hog hunt results. Just kind of thrown in there lol.
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Did you ask WCB how to get in the clique
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Old 03-19-2018, 10:50 AM   #12
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"we will be required to" is the type of language I may use to communicate a decision that I do not agree with but comes from a higher level on the org chart ......
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Old 03-19-2018, 10:50 AM   #13
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Well that sux, there goes my 2 points and hopes of being drawn again.
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Old 03-19-2018, 11:12 AM   #14
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$$$ --- that is why its going to TPWD.

I'm not sure how they would have the IBEP/proficiency test requirement under the TPWD drawn system, but I hope they do incorporate it somehow. Especially, since I'm currently on Unit 5 Topic 1 of the IBEP

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Old 03-19-2018, 11:20 AM   #15
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2018 Regulations and Information

*NEW THIS YEAR: You are not required to have completed a bowhunter education (BHE) course to be eligible to apply, however you MUST have completed a BHE course before you will be allowed to hunt. Your BHE card must be shown at hunter check-in.
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Old 03-19-2018, 11:58 AM   #16
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2018 Regulations and Information

*NEW THIS YEAR: You are not required to have completed a bowhunter education (BHE) course to be eligible to apply, however you MUST have completed a BHE course before you will be allowed to hunt. Your BHE card must be shown at hunter check-in.
It sounds like this year they aren't going to make you shoot a test. Looks like you just have to show your card and you're good to go. They're preparing for the TPWD to take over and no more proficiency tests. **that is just my opinion on how they have worded this**
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Old 03-19-2018, 12:00 PM   #17
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one other thing just came to mind ..... with this manged through tpwd draw system I would assume the "golden ticket" incentives for doe harvest will be gone. I wonder if they will run an antlerless only segment through tpwd moving forward?
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Old 03-19-2018, 12:02 PM   #18
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It sounds like this year they aren't going to make you shoot a test. Looks like you just have to show your card and you're good to go. They're preparing for the TPWD to take over and no more proficiency tests. **that is just my opinion on how they have worded this**
looks like proficiency test is still on for 2018, who knows about 2019 and beyond though....

https://www.fws.gov/uploadedFiles/Ha...ery%20Deer.pdf
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Old 03-19-2018, 12:09 PM   #19
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I guess Gayle got tired of all y'all calling asking her if you were drawn or not.
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Old 03-19-2018, 12:47 PM   #20
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It sounds like this year they aren't going to make you shoot a test. Looks like you just have to show your card and you're good to go. They're preparing for the TPWD to take over and no more proficiency tests. **that is just my opinion on how they have worded this**
That's incorrect.

Also in the 2018 Regulation/Information


"Hunter Requirements Proficiency: Successful completion of a proficiency test, dated May 1, 2018 or later, with a score of 80% or more is required. The test must be taken on a standard archery testing course (10-8-5-0 scoring) with no target more than 30 yards and a minimum of 14 targets. A tournament scorecard, signed by a tournament range officer, will suffice as proof of proficiency. "
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Old 03-19-2018, 12:50 PM   #21
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One issue I don't know if TPWD would continue is the statement concerning the continuation of the "incentive program". So I'm going to say BS until I see something different.

It would also cause a major shift in when the BowHunters Ed courses are offered, if that would even continue to be a requirement under TPWD in 2019 forward.
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Old 03-19-2018, 12:53 PM   #22
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Will TPWD still rotate the units or will they just let them all get shot up? Are there any TPWD draw hunts that rotate units?
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Old 03-19-2018, 01:01 PM   #23
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I think TPWD is going to just do the draws. The refuge will still run the hunts. No different than Laguna Atascosa, or Balcones. Units will rotate, the refuge will determine the number of permits and such.

I think its a good question on golden tickets. Will they still exist?
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Old 03-19-2018, 01:15 PM   #24
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The only thing changing is the application process. Once TPWD does the drawing the results will be turned over to Hagerman. You will be contacted by Hagerman to do your efficiency shoot and submit your fee; then Hagerman will issue the permit. Right now it is not known whether or not preference points will continue or the doe incentive. Everything is still being worked out. This request is coming from above the local level. Most of the other refuges in Texas that have hunts already have TPWD do their drawing process. The US Fish & Wildlife priority is to make our hunts more consistent across the state and offer hunting opportunities to a larger audience.
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Old 03-19-2018, 01:42 PM   #25
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It is so weird to me how things have changed over the years. When the Hag hunts started, and for many years thereafter, all you had to do was apply, pass efficiency test and you were in. ALWAYS had spots left over. It was a hidden gem for sure. The internet, social media got the word out and now we are where we are because of it lol. I miss those days. My buddy shot the #3 State record (archery) in the early 90's, after he passed on several good bucks, like 150-160 range!
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Old 03-19-2018, 02:31 PM   #26
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At my age I'll never get in again...
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Old 03-19-2018, 02:35 PM   #27
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As bad as it was last year..............I still want to get drawn I guess we'll find out how this affects the numbers.
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Old 03-19-2018, 02:35 PM   #28
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The only thing changing is the application process. Once TPWD does the drawing the results will be turned over to Hagerman. You will be contacted by Hagerman to do your efficiency shoot and submit your fee; then Hagerman will issue the permit. Right now it is not known whether or not preference points will continue or the doe incentive. Everything is still being worked out. This request is coming from above the local level. Most of the other refuges in Texas that have hunts already have TPWD do their drawing process. The US Fish & Wildlife priority is to make our hunts more consistent across the state and offer hunting opportunities to a larger audience.
ya thanks. we get it.
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Old 03-19-2018, 03:00 PM   #29
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The only thing changing is the application process. Once TPWD does the drawing the results will be turned over to Hagerman. You will be contacted by Hagerman to do your efficiency shoot and submit your fee; then Hagerman will issue the permit. Right now it is not known whether or not preference points will continue or the doe incentive. Everything is still being worked out. This request is coming from above the local level. Most of the other refuges in Texas that have hunts already have TPWD do their drawing process. The US Fish & Wildlife priority is to make our hunts more consistent across the state and offer hunting opportunities to a larger audience.

Works for me! See yall at the H.......sooner or later!!!
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Old 03-19-2018, 03:07 PM   #30
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As bad as it was last year..............I still want to get drawn I guess we'll find out how this affects the numbers.
Maybe if they would stop all the scouting were people aren’t in there everyday for two months before the first draw hunt y’all would have better luck!
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Old 03-19-2018, 03:09 PM   #31
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Maybe if they would stop all the scouting were people aren’t in there everyday for two months before the first draw hunt y’all would have better luck!
Nope
It's public land. Open to the "public"...
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Old 03-19-2018, 03:29 PM   #32
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"offer hunting opportunities to a larger audience."

IE Out of state applicants
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Old 03-19-2018, 03:46 PM   #33
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I know that feeling.
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Old 03-19-2018, 03:47 PM   #34
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"offer hunting opportunities to a larger audience."

IE Out of state applicants
Out of state applicants can apply now.
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Old 03-19-2018, 03:59 PM   #35
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I hope it isn't like the state draw odds. I draw the H about every 3 years. Might not draw it again if the applicants go from 900 to 9,000.
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Have you ever taken a buck at Hagerman?
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Old 03-19-2018, 04:19 PM   #37
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I don't think he has, but I'm sure he will tell us!
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Old 03-19-2018, 04:19 PM   #38
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That's incorrect.

Also in the 2018 Regulation/Information


"Hunter Requirements Proficiency: Successful completion of a proficiency test, dated May 1, 2018 or later, with a score of 80% or more is required. The test must be taken on a standard archery testing course (10-8-5-0 scoring) with no target more than 30 yards and a minimum of 14 targets. A tournament scorecard, signed by a tournament range officer, will suffice as proof of proficiency. "
Yep I didn't even read that portion. I just read the new portion. Looks like it is still part of the process this year.
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Old 03-19-2018, 04:24 PM   #39
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Never have deer hunted at the H, but having 3 points going into this draw I sure hope I get the chance. I hope too that if a doe presents itself that I will be able to get the golden ticket for next year. I hate that it was turned over TPWD for the draw and the public didn't get to vote or have their input on that.
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Old 03-19-2018, 04:26 PM   #40
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The TPWD draw is pretty much a joke on how it is run! Just my .02$
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Old 03-19-2018, 04:27 PM   #41
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Not happy with this decision.
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Old 03-19-2018, 05:03 PM   #42
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The only thing changing is the application process. Once TPWD does the drawing the results will be turned over to Hagerman. You will be contacted by Hagerman to do your efficiency shoot and submit your fee; then Hagerman will issue the permit. Right now it is not known whether or not preference points will continue or the doe incentive. Everything is still being worked out. This request is coming from above the local level. Most of the other refuges in Texas that have hunts already have TPWD do their drawing process. The US Fish & Wildlife priority is to make our hunts more consistent across the state and offer hunting opportunities to a larger audience.
HuntGirl, I have a notion your affiliated with the H, TPWD, or actually FWS. Just curious, it's interesting that you've joined in NOV 2015 and offered quite a bit of insight on this topic so promptly, especially for your very first post ever on TBH.
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Old 03-19-2018, 06:59 PM   #43
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All good things must come to an end... easy state dollars they see
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2018 regs still say doe gets a pass for 2019
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I just read that too. Wow, that sucks. I noticed it stated "required" to be a part of TPWD public draw system. Curious as to what initiated that move. It could take many years before getting drawn under that system.
TPWD wants their fingers in everything ... on another subject, can't even launch a boat any more without paying, is why I sold mine!
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Old 03-19-2018, 07:38 PM   #46
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TPWD has completely ****ed the draw system. You can forget bout this hunt ever being the same again. TPWD cares more about getting hunters $$$ than managing any wildlife.
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Well that sux, there goes my 2 points and hopes of being drawn again.
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I know that feeling.
Don't fret fellers. Yall are welcome to sit on my porch with this old dog anytime. And watch the young pups run-n-play. Heck, I might even break out a special bottle for the water bowl. Then we can howl about "howl" it used to be.

(I could even put the "water bowl" on that little wooden table of mine)
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I hope the bowhunter education course goes. For a bowhunter living in southeast Texas it is almost impossible to complete the hands on portion of the course. Nobody in the Beaumont area gives the hands on portion. My only option is to drive five hours to take the class and reserve a hotel. This also means I would have to take a week of vacation to guarentee that I'm off.
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Old 03-19-2018, 07:48 PM   #49
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I hope the bowhunter education course goes. For a bowhunter living in southeast Texas it is almost impossible to complete the hands on portion of the course. Nobody in the Beaumont area gives the hands on portion. My only option is to drive five hours to take the class and reserve a hotel. This also means I would have to take a week of vacation to guarentee that I'm off.
If the BH ed requirement goes, the "H" will really be ruined.
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Old 03-19-2018, 07:55 PM   #50
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x2 the party is over,it's been fun.
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