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Old 02-12-2018, 05:02 PM   #51
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Here's the same 679-grain, 29% FOC arrow, shot from a 55# (call it 53# at my 27" drawlength) Ben Pearson recurve. In, but not out.


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Old 02-12-2018, 05:05 PM   #52
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And here's the 679-grain arrow shot from a 50# (48#@my27"DL). Also in, but not out.



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Old 02-12-2018, 05:35 PM   #53
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" only significant differance is the shape of the holes" and you forgot ,the amount you pay for them. The bishop had a bigger hole in the plastic, but I don't feel like that is of much benifit in hide, muscle, fat tissue, wich has elastic tendencies. Very surprised by the heavy arrow, I would have thought it would have done as well or slightly better then the others.
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Old 02-12-2018, 07:49 PM   #54
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Might not be much of a benefit. Then again it might be.

The manufacturer claims as such, and they have lots of pictures & video to back up their claims. Me, I don't know. Haven't shot animal with one yet, but I sure hope to soon.

The point I was making is - the Bishop made the biggest hole, AND got the best penetration.

Not only was the hole at the center larger (sharp tanto point), but the slits of the blades were wider, and much more pronounced.

When I think about it, that kind of hole has to cause a great deal of leakage.

Oh and, I didn't forget what they cost.
They also have a lifetime warranty for structural failure of any kind.
I haven't lost but maybe two broadheads in all my years.
I've broken, bent, and otherwise destroyed a bunch of them.

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Old 02-12-2018, 09:59 PM   #55
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Tell you what, tough as that barrel is, I would think those 679-grain arrows would do fine on most game. No doubt they are slow from those bows from 20 yards, but they hit hard. I mean, they went well into that barrel. Plus, I would rather not shoot past 15 yards. That barrel plastic was so tough that it pulled the brass insert out of my arrow after I unscrewed the broadhead and was pulling the arrow back out from the 50# Pearson. For those arrows to penetrate over two feet through that plastic, to me, means they would have no problem on virtually any live game -- especially with a little bit of blood lubrication!

In case anybody wondered, Rick, this is the point of these tests, right? What will kill?

BTW, the 50# bow is a 60+ year old Ben Pearson Javelina my Dad bought in the early '60s. Shoots pretty well for bow that stood in the closet for about 40 years.

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Old 02-12-2018, 10:10 PM   #56
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Tell you what, tough as that barrel is I would think those 679-grain arrows would do fine on most game. No doubt they are slow from those bows from 20 yards, but they hit hard. I mean, they went well into that barrel. Plus, I would rather not shoot past 15 yards. That barrel plastic was so tough that it pulled the brass insert out of my arrow after I unscrewed the broadhead and was pulling the arrow back out from the 50# Pearson. For those arrows to penetrate over two feet through that plastic, to me, means they would have no problem on virtually any live game -- especially with a little bit of blood lubrication!

In case anybody wondered, Rick, this is the point of these tests, right? What will kill?


I thought of it more of a way for folks to compare what they are using to what others are using. An educational thing (as it were).

Not trying to convince anyone to change, BUT they might see something they like, and move to it. Never know.

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Old 02-12-2018, 10:13 PM   #57
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You're quick, Rick. Edited in a little info on the 50 #er.
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Old 02-17-2018, 06:17 PM   #58
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What GPP do you consider to be the best?

At what point do you think arrow weight (in GPP) will start decreasing the amount of penetration, instead of increasing it?

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Old 02-17-2018, 10:44 PM   #59
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This video is with the same bow at the same distance as the first, but with a 966gr / 14 gpp / 30% FOC arrow.

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Resistance is resistance in whatever form it comes in, and it takes momentum to overcome it.

I believe I'll do my best to stick to "my" (And Old Fred's) 9.5 gpp rule, and if I want more horsepower I'll go up in both arrow weight & draw weight, while maintain that rule when doing it.

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Old 02-17-2018, 10:50 PM   #60
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Oh, and yes, I spent a lot of time making sure this puppy flew good. Spent all day building, changing, and rebuilding until I got it to this weight & FOC, then spent about 1.5 hours shooting, tuning, and getting used to the drop, which was quite a bit less, than what I thought it would be.

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Old 02-17-2018, 11:06 PM   #61
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Something note worthy is - this big old broadhead made a hole, that the shaft had very little drag resistance as it penetrated. It was almost an easy two finger removal from the barrel. ALL of the other shots were very hard to remove the arrow from the barrel.

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Old 02-17-2018, 11:25 PM   #62
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I have checked a feed store here but no one knows where I could find such a barrel.
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Old 02-18-2018, 09:29 PM   #63
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Well I finally picked up a barrel and shot this evening. Shaft was smashed in the end unfortunately

Anyhow, here's how it all came out.
Dryad Orion Longbow
67lbs@28" (I draw 27.5" so I'm guessing 65.5lbs or so).
Carbon express heritage 250 arrow with 100gr. brass insert, 2" aluminum footing, and 250gr VPA 2blade single bevel broadhead.
FOC 25.68%
10.68 gpp





Just under 7 1/2" hanging out. Don't know if it sucked much penetration out, but I didn't realize the barrel wasn't sitting very level. When the arrow hit, the barrel rocked quite a bit and the arrow was actually sticking in at a downward angle.


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Well I finally picked up a barrel and shot this evening. Shaft was smashed in the end unfortunately

Anyhow, here's how it all came out.
Dryad Orion Longbow
67lbs@28" (I draw 27.5" so I'm guessing 65.5lbs or so).
Carbon express heritage 250 arrow with 100gr. brass insert, 2" aluminum footing, and 250gr VPA 2blade single bevel broadhead.
FOC 25.68%
10.68 gpp





Just under 7 1/2" hanging out. Don't know if it sucked much penetration out, but I didn't realize the barrel wasn't sitting very level. When the arrow hit, the barrel rocked quite a bit and the arrow was actually sticking in at a downward angle.


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Awesome, and Thanks !!!!!!

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Old 02-18-2018, 09:48 PM   #65
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P.S.
Really looking forward to seeing what your cape buff rig will do.

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Ole Buff ought to try it with his elephant rig!
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Old 02-18-2018, 09:57 PM   #67
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Ole Buff ought to try it with his elephant rig!
That would be a real treat.

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Old 02-19-2018, 01:05 PM   #68
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Got another one coming out the barrel backside.

That "you-finish" longbow that I got a couple of weeks ago is supposed to draw 70-75#@28". Thought it felt noticeably stiffer than my 70# Weathers recurve. Weighed both today on a hanging scale (with assistance of wife). Weathers bow = about 73#@28". Check, okay. The Ringing Rocks longbow comes in at 90#@28"!!!!

I knew it was kinda tough to string that baby, but ... Dang!

I'm reminded of Rick ordering a 76# Martin that turned out to be 98#.

Anyway, it shot the 679-grain arrow into and got about a third of the head out thr back of the barrel. And this was with very unstable flight by that 400 spine arrow.

Need to get some new arrows for sure to shoot through this thing. Really zips em, though.

Here's pics: (Btw, pic says 85# because that's the weight at my 27" DL)


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Old 02-19-2018, 01:26 PM   #69
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Awesome Ellis !!!

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Old 02-22-2018, 12:41 PM   #70
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rick, for years ive been doing this, only i shoot my metal burn barrel.
thru 1 side is ok, but if i can get penetration into the off side, i'm good to go.. have messed up so nice wood arrows over the years but its a good test..
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Old 02-22-2018, 02:01 PM   #71
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rick, for years ive been doing this, only i shoot my metal burn barrel.
thru 1 side is ok, but if i can get penetration into the off side, i'm good to go.. have messed up so nice wood arrows over the years but its a good test..
Me too Jeff.

The thing I discovered is - the plastic barrel is actually harder to penetrate, but usually results in less damage to the arrow.

You gonna do one (or several) for us?

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