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Old 01-26-2018, 08:58 AM   #51
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Once again, do you know what Davis Bacon is? Why you have in your head that illegals artificially bring down wages, I have no clue. Markets themselves will determine what wages can stand.........unless of course you're Bernie, then every high school kid at McDonalds should make $15 an hour. See how that works? Is that what this is all about? Are you a secret Socialist?
Is this your leader that your keep referring to? I'm sorry but I don't share his political beliefs. Maybe you and Oprah do. But I'm for Americans first.

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Old 01-26-2018, 09:04 AM   #52
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Is this your leader that your keep referring to? I'm sorry but I don't share his political beliefs. Maybe you and Oprah do. But I'm for Americans first.

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Title: Co-chair of the Northern California Coalition for Immigrant Rights
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"We need to create a human community in this country in which people do not have to live in fear, and are not subject to discrimination. What undermines the integrity of our country's immigration laws is their use to keep millions of people in a state of vulnerability and illegality... Our laws should start with the intention of protecting the human rights of migrants... We need a new amnesty to guarantee basic human and labor rights to the people who live in this country, both now and in the future."
Lol! No dude! Davis Bacon wage rates. In other words, on projects that have public money involved, Davis Bacon wages are SET AMOUNTS TO BE PAID to workers. It's broken down by trades. In other words, your "assumption" that workers get paid less is total BS. Not only are wages set, certified payroll must be kept and submitted weekly. Again, your ignorance on this subject is amazing.

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Old 01-26-2018, 09:04 AM   #53
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Ironman, my prior post is a joke. Hope you take it that way. On a lighter note, I know we probably agree on more than we don't. What are your plans for a western hunt this year? Elk, Mule Deer, Antelope? Where you headed?
Thinking I'm going to try and burn some points and hunt elk in WY this year.
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Old 01-26-2018, 09:12 AM   #54
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Ironman, my prior post is a joke. Hope you take it that way. On a lighter note, I know we probably agree on more than we don't. What are your plans for a western hunt this year? Elk, Mule Deer, Antelope? Where you headed?
Thinking I'm going to try and burn some points and hunt elk in WY this year.
Ah! Well then, I always hunt elk in Colorado. I need to start putting in for mule deer, as I have seen some absolute monsters on my property in the Sangre de Cristos mountains. Every year I'm there, I run across a giant muley and say to myself, why in the hell didn't I put in for mule deer. You see, when I lived there, it wasn't draw only for deer. I seem to forget that in April, when the application is due.

Southwestern WY has some nice elk. Good luck!
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Old 01-26-2018, 09:21 AM   #55
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Ah! Well then, I always hunt elk in Colorado. I need to start putting in for mule deer, as I have seen some absolute monsters on my property in the Sangre de Cristos mountains. Every year I'm there, I run across a giant muley and say to myself, why in the hell didn't I put in for mule deer. You see, when I lived there, it wasn't draw only for deer. I seem to forget that in April, when the application is due.

Southwestern WY has some nice elk. Good luck!
Good luck to you too. I'm actually looking at Southeastern WY for this trip. I don't have quite enough preference points for the other side of the state.

Enough of this mushy stuff. Now go ahead and get back to telling me how the Laws of supply and demand don't apply to illegal workers
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Old 01-26-2018, 09:25 AM   #56
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good luck to you too. I'm actually looking at southeastern wy for this trip. I don't have quite enough preference points for the other side of the state.

Enough of this mushy stuff. Now go ahead and get back to telling me how the laws of supply and demand don't apply to illegal workers :d:d:d
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Old 01-26-2018, 11:54 AM   #57
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Same. The market itself determines wages. At least in my field it does.


Actually most of the illegals made more than the legal citizens that I dealt with. They earned it though because they were just better. Iím not talking about a small sample size either. I dealt with this stuff for over a decade.


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Old 01-26-2018, 12:25 PM   #58
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90% of the illegals are paying taxes now. They have fake SS numbers that they give to their employers. The government loves them.


How many W4s have you seen that they fill out?

Most of them file the most dependents that they can to lower their tax burden while causing all kinds of hell for the person that legitimately owns the SS# that they stole/bought.


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Old 01-26-2018, 12:27 PM   #59
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If I had a $1 for every time Iíve heard the 20 something year old white boy say, ďI ainít doing that! Thatís a a Mexicanís job.Ē, Iíd have a lot of dollars. I was self employed in the oilfield for several years and worked with crews from other service companies. Nobody wanted the legal 4 man white boy crew showing up. Send that 4 man illegal Mexican crew. Thatís when sh*t got done. Quickly, efficiently, and the quality of work was always better. Right or wrong, thatís just the truth.


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Old 01-26-2018, 01:27 PM   #60
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How many people do you employ? How long have you been an employeer?
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Old 01-27-2018, 01:58 PM   #61
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For every illegal we take back to Mexico just fine Mexico $10,000.

Why is that so hard?
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Old 01-27-2018, 02:47 PM   #62
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How many people do you employ? How long have you been an employeer?


If by employer you mean business owner Iím not. But I am in a position to terminate people if needed.


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Old 02-01-2018, 09:24 PM   #63
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DACA Recipient Busted Allegedly Smuggling Illegal Immigrants near Texas Border


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Old 02-17-2018, 07:37 PM   #64
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Fix the problem? Easy.... pull our aid from every other nation in the UN and across the globe and pour that money into an economic invasion of Mexico. Conquer it and divide it up into separate states. Add those states stars to our flag. Eliminate the drug cartels down there by force. Prop up the economies of each new state. If my home country is doing well I'll not leave, make it so the south end of North America is stable.

That's about a doable as rounding folks up and forcing them into sanctuary states/cities and then cutting them off from the federal government.

I speak of Mexico not because I think they are the only peoples that are running from a war torn land trying to provide for their families but because they are close and we can consolidate the warmer more productive part of a continent within our borders.

Throwing them out makes no sense. Yes they are here illegally. So what. If you were in a country where you never knew if you were going to come home alive or if you were going to come home to a dead family wouldn't you leave??? I would and I'd be ****ed if I gave a **** about the laws there, keep my family alive..... period.

The only thing I don't agree with is that some of the folks that come here to better themselves or their lives refuse to give up this fierce "pride" of where they came from. If you are so proud....... stay the **** home and fix it.

I meet people daily who are here on visas working through college and are close to their time running out. They all want the same thing. To stay and become part of this great nation. The process, even for folks that have been here for 6 years and are close to completing a masters degree, is too long and too arduous.

Reform the process or reform the nearest principle country that sends it's folks to us.

Hell I'd be happy if Trump penned a blanket citizenship law for everyone in the country illegally right now. Give them a state ID, SS# and start taxing them to boost our own economy.

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Old 02-17-2018, 07:39 PM   #65
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If I had a $1 for every time Iíve heard the 20 something year old white boy say, ďI ainít doing that! Thatís a a Mexicanís job.Ē, Iíd have a lot of dollars. I was self employed in the oilfield for several years and worked with crews from other service companies. Nobody wanted the legal 4 man white boy crew showing up. Send that 4 man illegal Mexican crew. Thatís when sh*t got done. Quickly, efficiently, and the quality of work was always better. Right or wrong, thatís just the truth.


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you have a point there
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Old 02-17-2018, 07:40 PM   #66
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I guess if all illegals were deported tomorrow, all tough manual labor jobs would disappear. We would have no more fruit, vegetables, milk, beef, chicken, concrete, framing, roofs, air conditioning, or oil.....and everyone's lawns would be 3 ft tall. I guess y'all are right. We better not mess with all these illegals holding our economy together.
you also have a good point
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Old 02-17-2018, 07:56 PM   #67
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Actually most of the illegals made more than the legal citizens that I dealt with. They earned it though because they were just better. Iím not talking about a small sample size either. I dealt with this stuff for over a decade.


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Tree cutting companies is a perfect example.
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:34 PM   #68
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How bout shipping people who hire them or house them, when they know they are illegals, to Mexico?
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Old 02-19-2018, 08:43 AM   #69
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White boys dont work. They bang keyboards all day
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Old 02-20-2018, 05:43 AM   #70
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Old 02-20-2018, 11:00 AM   #71
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Or exercise their God given right as an American and collect a welfare check

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Old 02-20-2018, 11:44 AM   #72
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Prosecute and jail people who employ them. Problem solved.

No job market for them, no illegal immigration problem.
That would prolly take care of 90% of them! Simple and effective.
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Old 02-20-2018, 12:00 PM   #73
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Or exercise their God given right as an American and collect a welfare check


What I was saying is reform the welfare system to not make it a free lifetime benefit. Cut off the freebies and they will get off their butt.


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Fix the problem? Easy.... pull our aid from every other nation in the UN and across the globe and pour that money into an economic invasion of Mexico. Conquer it and divide it up into separate states. Add those states stars to our flag. Eliminate the drug cartels down there by force. Prop up the economies of each new state. If my home country is doing well I'll not leave, make it so the south end of North America is stable.

That's about a doable as rounding folks up and forcing them into sanctuary states/cities and then cutting them off from the federal government.

I speak of Mexico not because I think they are the only peoples that are running from a war torn land trying to provide for their families but because they are close and we can consolidate the warmer more productive part of a continent within our borders.

Throwing them out makes no sense. Yes they are here illegally. So what. If you were in a country where you never knew if you were going to come home alive or if you were going to come home to a dead family wouldn't you leave??? I would and I'd be ****ed if I gave a **** about the laws there, keep my family alive..... period.

The only thing I don't agree with is that some of the folks that come here to better themselves or their lives refuse to give up this fierce "pride" of where they came from. If you are so proud....... stay the **** home and fix it.

I meet people daily who are here on visas working through college and are close to their time running out. They all want the same thing. To stay and become part of this great nation. The process, even for folks that have been here for 6 years and are close to completing a masters degree, is too long and too arduous.

Reform the process or reform the nearest principle country that sends it's folks to us.

Hell I'd be happy if Trump penned a blanket citizenship law for everyone in the country illegally right now. Give them a state ID, SS# and start taxing them to boost our own economy.

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Old 02-20-2018, 12:02 PM   #75
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What I was saying is reform the welfare system to not make it a free lifetime benefit. Cut off the freebies and they will get off their butt.


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Yep....hunger is one hellova motivator
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Old 02-20-2018, 12:03 PM   #76
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Some of y'all would make great spokesmen for the democrat party.


Nancy Pelosi approves!




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Old 02-20-2018, 12:08 PM   #77
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I don't care how hard anyone works. We cannot have people coming here freely, illegally and at their own will. We are the only country in the world where that is just accepted. Why is that? If you are such a hard worker and good person then great. Work a little extra, be a good person and come here the right way. Not the entitled way.
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I think Bill Clinton stopped that lifetime of welfare.
Only way to do that now is to "game the system" (stagger your kid's births)
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Did you see Stockton CA. is wanting to provide every low income family $500.00 a month for a year to help them get ahead? I'm still trying to figure out how "giving" them $6,000 is going to help them long term.
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Yes, and have been pushed to do so for the last 30+ years. I'm not talking about welfare either.
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Old 02-21-2018, 07:38 PM   #81
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Bottom line is this....you either believe in the rule of law or you don't. We are a republic not a democracy.

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Old 02-21-2018, 08:09 PM   #82
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Band soccer 95 % would leave and go back home
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