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Old 01-20-2018, 11:41 PM   #2401
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When you get it in maybe we can get together for me to take a live look at it. Our farm is near Tenaha & Timpson so weíre up that way quite often.
Good deal, just send me a PM or give me a shout ahead of town and we can set something up. Thanks!
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Old 01-28-2018, 10:03 AM   #2402
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Do any of y'all have experience with the Sightmark Night Raider? Can't seem to find much info online about them. Looking into a UNV20ir unit as well. Thanks for any input.
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Old 01-28-2018, 04:15 PM   #2403
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About the farthest I can see/shoot on our place is 300-350 yards and that's pushing it. It would more likely be 150-200 yards or less. I'd like to be able to video and would occasionally have someone with me so their ability to see what I see would be nice. I'd primarily be using this for hogs along with some coyotes and bobcats in Deep East Texas. I plan to use NV on a 5.56 but could get a new upper at some point if I decide that is necessary. I'm pretty tech savy. If the budget is $4k for the night vision and mounting, what would you get?
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Old 01-28-2018, 04:17 PM   #2404
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About the farthest I can see/shoot on our place is 300-350 yards and that's pushing it. It would more likely be 150-200 yards or less. I'd like to be able to video and would occasionally have someone with me so their ability to see what I see would be nice. I'd primarily be using this for hogs along with some coyotes and bobcats in Deep East Texas. I plan to use NV on a 5.56 but could get a new upper at some point if I decide that is necessary. I'm pretty tech savy. If the budget is $4k for the night vision and mounting, what would you get?


Buy an atn x-sight2 for $550 and save the rest. feeder is at 210 yards


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Old 01-29-2018, 12:46 PM   #2405
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Buy an atn x-sight2 for $550 and save the rest. feeder is at 210 yards


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Weíre about 60-70% wooded. Iím thinking thermal work better to pick out animals in those areas but not really sure.


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Old 01-29-2018, 12:47 PM   #2406
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Weíre about 60-70% wooded. Iím thinking thermal work better to pick out animals in those areas but not really sure.


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Iím in Woodville and we are about 75% wooded. You can see the reflection in their eyes. Just offering my thoughts that a 4K dollar thermal isnít quite a need lol!


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About the farthest I can see/shoot on our place is 300-350 yards and that's pushing it. It would more likely be 150-200 yards or less. I'd like to be able to video and would occasionally have someone with me so their ability to see what I see would be nice. I'd primarily be using this for hogs along with some coyotes and bobcats in Deep East Texas. I plan to use NV on a 5.56 but could get a new upper at some point if I decide that is necessary. I'm pretty tech savy. If the budget is $4k for the night vision and mounting, what would you get?
I'd buy a Pulsar Trail. I have the XQ38 and its freakin awesome.

I recently went from night vision to thermal and thermal is definitely where its at.
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Old 01-29-2018, 02:42 PM   #2408
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I'd buy a Pulsar Trail. I have the XQ38 and its freakin awesome.



I recently went from night vision to thermal and thermal is definitely where its at.

Iíve been looking at the XQís and wondering for my situation if the 50 is $500 better than the 38 and if the 38 is $500 better than the 30. Do you use the 38 day and night?


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Iíve been looking at the XQís and wondering for my situation if the 50 is $500 better than the 38 and if the 38 is $500 better than the 30. Do you use the 38 day and night?


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You can use any thermal day or night. But you won't be able to tell what a buck is unless he is in velvet. But for pig or coyote hunting you can use anytime to ID them.

I would not go below a 38
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Iím in Woodville and we are about 75% wooded. You can see the reflection in their eyes. Just offering my thoughts that a 4K dollar thermal isnít quite a need lol!


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a NV is not a NEED either

But if WANT something, I personally will save for a good one.

I have used your scope and thermals of all grades
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Old 01-30-2018, 12:59 PM   #2411
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a NV is not a NEED either



But if WANT something, I personally will save for a good one.



I have used your scope and thermals of all grades


Pigs go nocturnal towards the end of deer season so to hunt them effectively, I NEED a night vision. If he was in the market for anything I gave him MY opinion of what he could do for less.


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Pigs go nocturnal towards the end of deer season so to hunt them effectively, I NEED a night vision. If he was in the market for anything I gave him MY opinion of what he could do for less.


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You need NV... I NEED thermal. LOL

Well I have one now and want to buy a scanner at some point now.

You won't know real night hunting IMO until you have a thermal or very nice NV
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Old 01-30-2018, 04:17 PM   #2413
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You need NV... I NEED thermal. LOL



Well I have one now and want to buy a scanner at some point now.



You won't know real night hunting IMO until you have a thermal or very nice NV


Sounds like you oughta let me borrow yours lmao Iíd like to try out some high in stuff in an open field with some acreage. Iím limited to narrow lanes about 200 yards long right now!


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Old 01-30-2018, 06:24 PM   #2414
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Sounds like you oughta let me borrow yours lmao Iíd like to try out some high in stuff in an open field with some acreage. Iím limited to narrow lanes about 200 yards long right now!


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Be prepared to buy some after you try it..I started with digital NV. Now I have two 640 armasight Zeus thermals, one being the 75mm HD (amazing detail) and a gen 3 alpha NV clip on. Itís like NFA items..
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Old 01-30-2018, 07:02 PM   #2415
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I was going to start with NV but from everything I read, I decided to skip a step and start with thermal.


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Old 02-02-2018, 10:46 AM   #2416
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So I've had a chance to use the new Flir ThermoSight Pro PTS 233 for the past 2 weeks, I've had several hours of glass time with this scope and I feel like I know it well enough to give my honest/unbiased opinion. I hunted with it every night... I spotted, scanned, shot, and tested everything on this unit that I could think of. This is the newest "budget" thermal from Flir in quite a while, coming in at a very buyer friendly price at around $2,200. In the review video you'll see my likes/dislikes... you'll see actual video through the scope and some of the different picture modes, preset enhancement modes, and all of the shooting reticle choices. If you're looking at getting into thermal hunting for the first time, if $2,200 is your max budget, or if your looking to add an additional thermal scope to your collection... the PTS233 is worth looking at and considering. If you have any questions I'll give you a very unbiased answer...

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I agree. much clearer in person...
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So I've had a chance to use the new Flir ThermoSight Pro PTS 233 for the past 2 weeks, I've had several hours of glass time with this scope and I feel like I know it well enough to give my honest/unbiased opinion. I hunted with it every night... I spotted, scanned, shot, and tested everything on this unit that I could think of. This is the newest "budget" thermal from Flir in quite a while, coming in at a very buyer friendly price at around $2,200. In the review video you'll see my likes/dislikes... you'll see actual video through the scope and some of the different picture modes, preset enhancement modes, and all of the shooting reticle choices. If you're looking at getting into thermal hunting for the first time, if $2,200 is your max budget, or if your looking to add an additional thermal scope to your collection... the PTS233 is worth looking at and considering. If you have any questions I'll give you a very unbiased answer...



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So how would you say it stacks up against the Pulsar RXQ30V?


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I was going to start with NV but from everything I read, I decided to skip a step and start with thermal.
I can totally see how you might feel that way after reading this thread, and if your budget supports it then go for it.

Just to bring a little balance to this thread for anyone else: I wanted to point out what a massive difference digital NV makes compared to not having digital NV, and how effective they are at normal ranges.

My sightmark 4.6 is hands down the best $500 I ever spent on hunting. I've killed two dozen pigs and countless predators that I simply would not have seen or gotten if not for that scope. There is no other tool I can say that about: where I got so many because I had it, and would not have gotten them if I didn't.

At 150 yds or closer, zero moon necessary with a good external IR light, it's a chip shot to make neck or head shots on pigs. You can see them plain as day.

I'm excited to upgrade to a 640 thermal for much longer shots and even better performance. But if anyone is reading this thread thinking that digital NV is not an incredible value and maybe the best bang for the buck they'll ever spend, I would like to set that record straight.
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Old 02-03-2018, 10:37 AM   #2420
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I can totally see how you might feel that way after reading this thread, and if your budget supports it then go for it.



Just to bring a little balance to this thread for anyone else: I wanted to point out what a massive difference digital NV makes compared to not having digital NV, and how effective they are at normal ranges.



My sightmark 4.6 is hands down the best $500 I ever spent on hunting. I've killed two dozen pigs and countless predators that I simply would not have seen or gotten if not for that scope. There is no other tool I can say that about: where I got so many because I had it, and would not have gotten them if I didn't.



At 150 yds or closer, zero moon necessary with a good external IR light, it's a chip shot to make neck or head shots on pigs. You can see them plain as day.



I'm excited to upgrade to a 640 thermal for much longer shots and even better performance. But if anyone is reading this thread thinking that digital NV is not an incredible value and maybe the best bang for the buck they'll ever spend, I would like to set that record straight.


No doubt, if I couldnít afford thermal I would be buying an NV scope after watching all of the videos of them. Iím still tempted to buy one to use until my thermal comes in and the sell it. Thinking it might be worth it for a couple extra months of night hunting hogs.
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The RXQ30V has 30% more pixels, which translates to a better image and farther detection range, and a tiny bit more magnification. The green display on the RXQ looks fantastic in person and is really easy on your eyes (on youtube it looks like garbage IMO). The Flir has onboard recording, which is very nice and simple to use. They're both great scopes.
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No doubt, if I couldnít afford thermal I would be buying an NV scope after watching all of the videos of them. Iím still tempted to buy one to use until my thermal comes in and the sell it. Thinking it might be worth it for a couple extra months of night hunting hogs.


I have a Pulsar Apex XQ38LRF on order now. I ordered a Pulsar Challenger NV that can mount behind a red dot or be handheld. I figure more than anything else Iíll use it watching stuff in the morning while sitting in the blind waiting on the sun to come up or walking in to the blind in the morning.
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The RXQ30V has 30% more pixels, which translates to a better image and farther detection range, and a tiny bit more magnification. The green display on the RXQ looks fantastic in person and is really easy on your eyes (on youtube it looks like garbage IMO). The Flir has onboard recording, which is very nice and simple to use. They're both great scopes.


Thanks. Iím kicking around the idea of a second thermal.......my first one hasnít even come in yet.
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I have a Pulsar Apex XQ38LRF on order now. I ordered a Pulsar Challenger NV that can mount behind a red dot or be handheld. I figure more than anything else Iíll use it watching stuff in the morning while sitting in the blind waiting on the sun to come up or walking in to the blind in the morning.


Appears to be several challengers? Which one are you getting?


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The base level. Pulsar Challenger GS 1+.

It will work for what Iím wanting it for.
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Are these types of scopes only compatible with AR-type rifles or can they be used with a bolt-action too? I’m assuming it would need a picatinny style scope rail?
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I had some time over the weekend to play with and adjust the threshold settings to get better results from the recoil activated recording. I hope this makes it a little more user friendly to new PTS233 owners.

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Are these types of scopes only compatible with AR-type rifles or can they be used with a bolt-action too? Iím assuming it would need a picatinny style scope rail?
All Pulsar scopes come with a mount that was actually designed for bolt guns. It works great for ARs as well though.

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You did a great job with that video. Is that tannerite at the end?
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Thanks 35, no just a gallon jug of hot water, but looks impressive!
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So how would you say it stacks up against the Pulsar RXQ30V?
35Rem did a great job of answering this question. At the end of the day, having used both extensively, I tell my customers this..... If you want/need to record video you buy the PTS233. If you don't need/want to record video, you buy the RXQ30V. If you don't like something about one of the scopes or you like a certain feature of one, you buy it. I don't mean to sound flippant about it because I know it's a lot of money to spend but in reality the scopes are extremely similar.

The RXQ30V is going to win by a slight amount on image quality for the reason that 35Rem mentioned. It also has picture in picture which is a great feature. Some people don't like the green tint but a lot of users actually prefer it.

The PTS233 has the internal video recording, so it clearly wins that race. It also has the different color palettes that some users go nuts over and it also has an aqua blue reticle color option that I love.

Again, it really boils down to video recording. I can't see a compelling reason to spend $300 more on the PTS233 and give up a slight amount of image quality if you don't care about the video.

Just my 2 cents, both are super optics for the money and you won't be disappointed with either one.

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I have a Pulsar Apex XQ38LRF on order now. I ordered a Pulsar Challenger NV that can mount behind a red dot or be handheld. I figure more than anything else Iíll use it watching stuff in the morning while sitting in the blind waiting on the sun to come up or walking in to the blind in the morning.
FYI, unless you are buying the Apex XQ38LRF second hand, you won't be getting it any time soon. They were discontinued several months ago. There is however, going to be a new Trail XQ38LRF coming out in a few months. They were announced at SHOT Show a couple weeks ago but they aren't expected to ship for a couple more months. Not trying to get into your business, I just thought I'd throw that info out there.

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#diepiggydie It's the first Hog hunt of 2018. Big Boar down with a 165gr Federal Trophy Bonded Tip to the head in Navarro County w/ the POF P-308, Trijicon Snipe-IR and Dead Air Sandman L w/ Rifles Only Had Suppressor Cover. TNVC PVS-14 on a Wilcox mount and A Team Wendy ExFil helmet. Otte Gear for staying warm and dry. Third Coast Thermal provided the Snipe-IR.

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I run my REAP all the way to the back of my rail..Any reasons you mount it so much farther forward?
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I run my REAP all the way to the back of my rail..Any reasons you mount it so much farther forward?
This is a Snipe-IR. It has a different ocular lens setup to allow it to function as a clip-on in front of a day optic

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Only Sean would post a rainbow picture in the NV Hunting thread.
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Old 02-06-2018, 10:55 PM   #2437
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Thanks Sean. Hey I don't think you got a good shot on this one. Better shoot him again!

Great looking setup. I need to show my wife the picture of all your gear. She thinks I'm the only one who needs that much stuff to go hunting.lol

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Old 02-07-2018, 11:40 AM   #2438
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I've been using the new Flir Thermosight Pro PTS233 for the last 3 weeks now. Last week I posted a functionality review in this thread. In this video you'll get to see 3 different hog hunts with it and get to see it in action. Next week I'll post more. Some of you have asked about this scope because it's been pretty popular, mostly because of the price point. Please let me know if you have any questions about the scope. In the video, I have the scope mounted on a 223 using 62 grain ammo. There has been some feedback on how it performs on a .308 and I'm working on that..

Also, I posted a video 2 weeks ago of hog damage in my front yard. I haven't caught any hogs in my yard since, but all of the hogs taken in this video were dropped less than a hundred yards from my front door. I'm very sure that these are from the same group that wrecked my yard...

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Iím really needing some kind of night hunting scope soon. I havenít seen the front yard behind the camera yet so I can only imagine the damage they did this weekend.



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*****mmmm ^^ Where is that?
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Old 02-13-2018, 12:19 PM   #2441
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*****mmmm ^^ Where is that?


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Old 02-13-2018, 12:19 PM   #2442
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Yes you do from the pics posted above!

That PTS233 is GOOD only if you consider the price. Buddy who is a Pulsar rep told me the are junk and only uses his REAP now. Funny how these pulsar guys post great reviews then use other products
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Old 02-13-2018, 06:43 PM   #2443
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Yes you do from the pics posted above!

That PTS233 is GOOD only if you consider the price. Buddy who is a Pulsar rep told me the are junk and only uses his REAP now. Funny how these pulsar guys post great reviews then use other products
I wouldnít call the pulsars junk by any means. No doubt the Reap mk3 is superior though.
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Old 02-13-2018, 09:31 PM   #2444
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Iím really needing some kind of night hunting scope soon. I havenít seen the front yard behind the camera yet so I can only imagine the damage they did this weekend.



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Yep. Look on the bright side. All ready for the spring food plots...
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Old 02-13-2018, 11:18 PM   #2445
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Yep. Look on the bright side. All ready for the spring food plots...


Not exactly. It will take hours with a disc to smooth this out. I need to find one of those $300 Photon XTís to use until my Photon comes in.
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Old 02-14-2018, 07:01 AM   #2446
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Not exactly. It will take hours with a disc to smooth this out. I need to find one of those $300 Photon XTís to use until my Photon comes in.
Why not a sniper hawg lite mounted to your scope?

https://youtu.be/Lq1qQBoerxM
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Old 02-14-2018, 10:06 AM   #2447
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I wouldnít call the pulsars junk by any means. No doubt the Reap mk3 is superior though.
Well he means junk when your talking about people like us who hunt alot.

In the scheme of thermal a PTS is lower end compared to the previously mentioned scopes that are $6500-8500

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Why not a sniper hawg lite mounted to your scope?

https://youtu.be/Lq1qQBoerxM
because you will only kill 1 hog from a group like that. Maybe 2 if your lucky. Used them for years prior to thermal
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Old 02-14-2018, 11:21 AM   #2448
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Buddy who is a Pulsar rep told me the are junk and only uses his REAP now. Funny how these pulsar guys post great reviews then use other products
Steve Neece?
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Old 02-14-2018, 12:20 PM   #2449
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Steve Neece?
no. Buddy of mine who lives near Dallas.

I don't know how the "reps/pro staff" and all that work. Alot of people say they are prostaff and reps and such.

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Old 02-14-2018, 01:13 PM   #2450
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What shooting sticks does everyone recommend when they are stalking?
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