Reply
Go Back   TexasBowhunter.com Community Discussion Forums > Topics > Around the Campfire
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-13-2018, 08:50 AM   #51
ultrastealth
Ten Point
 
ultrastealth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Katy
Hunt In: Camp Wood, TX
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Smell the Glove View Post
Cerberus and bad quality control probably had more to do with it.
This
ultrastealth is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 02-13-2018, 09:07 AM   #52
Clay C
Ten Point
 
Clay C's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Conroe
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by systemnt View Post
Bankruptcy doesnt mean...out of business...
For companies that size...its a way to clean slate, eliminate debt and reorganize.
If done right, it could mean a better business model and better quality product..
This is the most likely scenario.

If I recall correctly, when Remington was bought and this whole conglomerate thing started, it was structured in a way that was pretty certain to screw Remington. Yes sales are down, but I think their debt issue has more to do with how they are structured than sales.
Clay C is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 02-13-2018, 09:18 AM   #53
boh347
Pope & Young
 
boh347's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Christoval, tx
Hunt In: coke county, tx Nolan county, tx
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by systemnt View Post
Bankruptcy doesnt mean...out of business...
For companies that size...its a way to clean slate, eliminate debt and reorganize.
If done right, it could mean a better business model and better quality product..
True...
But, it’s very off putting to the customer. Me at least. Could they recover? Maybe.
boh347 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 02-13-2018, 10:01 AM   #54
oldtestamentman
Six Point
 
oldtestamentman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Texas
Hunt In: South
Default

I've got an old 870 my Dad got for $40 from his Armory when he returned from Vietnam. It was an MP shotgun in the war. Great gun and still use it as my main bird gun. Proud of it.

I also got my Colt 45 from the Army for $40 when we transitioned to 9 MM and Humvees in the late 80's. Its a classic.
oldtestamentman is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 02-13-2018, 12:36 PM   #55
rosco11
Ten Point
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Spring
Hunt In: Rocksprings
Default

I love the 2 700s I have and the fieldmaster .22 and one day I'll inherit one of the sweetest shooting wingmasters on the planet! I did get my ammo rebate back this past year and my brother, dad and I are stocked up on core lokts.

With so much hate for Rem here, please liquidate your Rem 1100s, Senderos and those terrible Nylon 66s, I'm a happy buyer, ill PM you my address!

From what I see is they half way pushed out their pistol line about 10 years behind the curve and can not come close to competing with glock, m&p, Sig, Springfield xd lines and on and on... with the RP.. it's by far the ugly duckling and no chance in a crowded affordable pistol market! My personal sadness came with this beauty.. a gorgeous pistol loaded with features and after it launched.. never heard about it again! So weird that they didn't plaster this gorgeous gun on every press release, magazine and put it in the hands of every YouTube r in the gun biz!Name:  Remington-R1-Hunter.jpg
Views: 273
Size:  22.3 KB
rosco11 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 02-13-2018, 06:03 PM   #56
elkaholic9292
Ten Point
 
elkaholic9292's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Tomball
Hunt In: East Texas, Chromo CO.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rosco11 View Post
I love the 2 700s I have and the fieldmaster .22 and one day I'll inherit one of the sweetest shooting wingmasters on the planet! I did get my ammo rebate back this past year and my brother, dad and I are stocked up on core lokts.

With so much hate for Rem here, please liquidate your Rem 1100s, Senderos and those terrible Nylon 66s, I'm a happy buyer, ill PM you my address!

From what I see is they half way pushed out their pistol line about 10 years behind the curve and can not come close to competing with glock, m&p, Sig, Springfield xd lines and on and on... with the RP.. it's by far the ugly duckling and no chance in a crowded affordable pistol market! My personal sadness came with this beauty.. a gorgeous pistol loaded with features and after it launched.. never heard about it again! So weird that they didn't plaster this gorgeous gun on every press release, magazine and put it in the hands of every YouTube r in the gun biz!Attachment 896853
This is a pretty gun, but appears to be a total knock off of the Browning Hi-Power and a good example of the unoriginal ideas mentioned in the thread so far. Big green has had more R&D dollars than anyone. Instead of knocking off 100 year old designs, they could have been inventing striker fired pistols, or inertia shotguns and they’d still be on top.
elkaholic9292 is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 02-13-2018, 06:24 PM   #57
TxAg
Pope & Young
 
TxAg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Default

Reap what you sow

I won’t miss them
TxAg is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 02-13-2018, 06:27 PM   #58
Legdog
Pope & Young
 
Legdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Austin
Default

“Feinberg’s firm, Cerberus Capital Management, acquired Remington in 2007 and subsequently saddled it with almost $1 billion in debt.”

Ouch


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Legdog is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 02-13-2018, 06:49 PM   #59
Lostacresranch
Six Point
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rosco11 View Post
I love the 2 700s I have and the fieldmaster .22 and one day I'll inherit one of the sweetest shooting wingmasters on the planet! I did get my ammo rebate back this past year and my brother, dad and I are stocked up on core lokts.

With so much hate for Rem here, please liquidate your Rem 1100s, Senderos and those terrible Nylon 66s, I'm a happy buyer, ill PM you my address!

From what I see is they half way pushed out their pistol line about 10 years behind the curve and can not come close to competing with glock, m&p, Sig, Springfield xd lines and on and on... with the RP.. it's by far the ugly duckling and no chance in a crowded affordable pistol market! My personal sadness came with this beauty.. a gorgeous pistol loaded with features and after it launched.. never heard about it again! So weird that they didn't plaster this gorgeous gun on every press release, magazine and put it in the hands of every YouTube r in the gun biz!Attachment 896853


Maybe because they had a tendency to fire if you thumbed the safety off. Bad for publicity. And my ears. And my door panel.
Lostacresranch is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 02-13-2018, 10:10 PM   #60
Ryan81
Eight Point
 
Ryan81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: NE Texas
Hunt In: NE Texas, Oklahoma
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by systemnt View Post
Bankruptcy doesnt mean...out of business...
For companies that size...its a way to clean slate, eliminate debt and reorganize.
If done right, it could mean a better business model and better quality product..
It’s also a sign of distress and in this case a move directly related to their poor quality control and management.

I haven’t heard of any other firearm companies filing bankruptcy.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Ryan81 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 02-13-2018, 11:05 PM   #61
RascalArms
Pope & Young
 
RascalArms's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Forney, TX
Hunt In: Schleicher County
Default

Have a few 870s and an early model 700 BDL that I wouldn’t part with. Outside of that...I’m not interested in any other firearm Remmy manufactures.

I never thought that would ever be the case. And......therein lies the problem folks!

That being said, I hate to see this happen and them in trouble. Sad deal all the way around.
RascalArms is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 02-14-2018, 12:17 AM   #62
Old Bald Guy
Ten Point
 
Old Bald Guy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Canyon Lake
Default

Sad to see this but when I look in the safe I see more Remingtons than any other brand so I did my part.
Old Bald Guy is online now   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 02-14-2018, 12:43 AM   #63
WRasco
Four Point
 
WRasco's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Cypress, TX
Hunt In: Online - Buy more gear than I Hunt...
Default

Guess I better hang on to my old 870 12g shotgun and 270 rifle. Good gun. Have not purchased or even looked at a Remington in 20 years.
WRasco is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 02-14-2018, 08:48 AM   #64
Patriot-2000
Ten Point
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: San Antonio Area
Hunt In: Rocksprings, Texas
Default

Sad Day indeed but no different than Winchester quite a few years back ... Sold all operations..

Remington has been a stable for years but like everything that isn't taken care of with Good Quality.. Falls by the waste - side ..
Patriot-2000 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 02-14-2018, 08:58 AM   #65
Clay C
Ten Point
 
Clay C's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Conroe
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by elkaholic9292 View Post
This is a pretty gun, but appears to be a total knock off of the Browning Hi-Power and a good example of the unoriginal ideas mentioned in the thread so far. Big green has had more R&D dollars than anyone. Instead of knocking off 100 year old designs, they could have been inventing striker fired pistols, or inertia shotguns and they’d still be on top.
That's a 1911. Everyone and their dog makes them now because there is a demand. Most companies offering inexpensive to mid range 1911's have them manufactured in a few plants oversees well known for producing a quality product, then just stamp their brand on them. Some just outsource the frame and slide then finish them in their own facility. I don't believe Remington has ever answered where there's were made or where they sourced parts from.

The 1911's are probably the best idea Remington has had in years.
Their original, in house designed handguns have been nothing short of a disaster.
Clay C is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 02-14-2018, 09:03 AM   #66
Clay C
Ten Point
 
Clay C's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Conroe
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Legdog View Post
“Feinberg’s firm, Cerberus Capital Management, acquired Remington in 2007 and subsequently saddled it with almost $1 billion in debt.”

Ouch


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Yeah, that's what I was referring to in my previous post. There is a lot more going on than poor sales.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan81 View Post
It’s also a sign of distress and in this case a move directly related to their poor quality control and management.

I haven’t heard of any other firearm companies filing bankruptcy.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Just in recent memory, Colt did in 2015. It seems they are taking the time to get things going right, and are actually putting out new products that people want now. Which is very unlike the Colt of the past. People are also saying they are now putting out the best 1911's they ever have.
Clay C is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 02-14-2018, 09:20 AM   #67
HillCoBowHunter
Ten Point
 
HillCoBowHunter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Jarrell
Hunt In: Lampasas, Georgetown
Default

Poor product and even worse customer service. They been declining as a brand for 10 years now.
HillCoBowHunter is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 02-16-2018, 01:22 AM   #68
Thumper
Pope & Young
 
Thumper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Magnolia Texas
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryanm View Post
Just receive my rebate for some 9mm ammo purchased around Christmas. I was wondering if the check would clear...
Got mine today, now I'm wondering the same.
Thumper is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 02-16-2018, 08:31 AM   #69
ttaxidermy
Pope & Young
 
ttaxidermy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Brazoria county
Hunt In: Brady,McCulloch Cnty, Brazoria cnty, South Africa, Namibia
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by WRasco View Post
Guess I better hang on to my old 870 12g shotgun and 270 rifle. Good gun. Have not purchased or even looked at a Remington in 20 years.
I watched a 86 model 870 Wingmaster 12 gauge sell for $650 on Gunbroker not long ago..
The value of the old good stuff will only go up..
ttaxidermy is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 02-16-2018, 10:56 AM   #70
Ryan-in-SA1
Nubbin' Buck
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: San Antonio
Hunt In: Low Fence, near Uvalde
Default

My dad bought a brand-new Remington a few years back. The barrel was AWFUL. It shot 12-18" groups at 100 yd. Verified by multiple experienced shooters and a gunsmith. I can understand mass produced barrels that don't quite hit MOA. Not everything has to be a Krieger. But a foot to a foot and a half variance at 100 yards is straight up not acceptable.

After I saw that, I said I'd never buy a Remington. I don't care if Cerberus owns it or not, or if it's owned by Donald Trump or Warren Buffett or Uncle Bob. I will never own a Remington gun.
Ryan-in-SA1 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 02-16-2018, 11:05 AM   #71
muddyfuzzy
Ten Point
 
muddyfuzzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: gulf coast
Hunt In: Angelina County, Limpopo SA
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Smell the Glove View Post
Cerberus and bad quality control probably had more to do with it.
pretty spot on, used to always love Rem. but have moved on to other over the past few years.
muddyfuzzy is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 02-16-2018, 11:58 AM   #72
Ryanm
Four Point
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Houston
Hunt In: Nacogdoches, Michigan
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thumper View Post
Got mine today, now I'm wondering the same.
Mine cleared, no issue

Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
Ryanm is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 02-16-2018, 12:12 PM   #73
Clay.H
Six Point
 
Clay.H's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Midland
Hunt In: Coke and Haskell County
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thumper View Post
Hope Remington gets funded and back on track, they owe me a $75 rebate.
Don't know why, but this comment literally had me rolling! Dang Funny!
Clay.H is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 02-16-2018, 12:33 PM   #74
Slow&Steady
Six Point
 
Slow&Steady's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Rowlett, TX
Hunt In: Whatever public land I can find game on.
Default

Predictable. There was a time when I wouldn’t have anything but a Remington. These days, it’s a tough sell. Quality declined heavily on all but their top tier guns. They also took huge risks in attempting to launch into the already crowded pistol and AR style rifle markets. Even worse, they did so with products that were neither innovative nor attractive. It’s a very unfortunate mishandling of a venerated American company.

When I look at my 700 ADL purchased from Walmart for around $300 in 1991, there are few machining marks, the bolt was jewel finished, it was nicely blued, and had a semi-gloss polished wood stock. These days, $550 will get you a 700 sps with a crappy parkerized finish that turns into a rust bucket if not coated in oil and kept in a desert. It will also have a synthetic stock that is absolute garbage, and many have machining marks that rival WWII era surplus rifles. Sure the Sendero and BDL rifles are better, but they are very expensive compared to market. For the average hunter, the Browning X- bolt, Tikka T3, Howa 1500, and Savage 10-16 series rifles all present a better value. When you compare finished rifle for finished rifle, Remington’s factory offerings don’t stack up well in terms of value for money.

Contrary to Cerberus' claims, I suspect the Sandy Hook shootings had far less to do with this than gross mismanagement did. Remington has been in decline since it was purchased by Cerberus.
Slow&Steady is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 02-16-2018, 12:39 PM   #75
hef187
Four Point
 
hef187's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Kingwood, TX
Hunt In: Centerville, Falfurrias, Del Rio, & Concan
Default

Or the fact that I have to worry about my rifle firing while the safety is on..
hef187 is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Old 02-16-2018, 12:42 PM   #76
Bumpy
Ten Point
 
Bumpy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Houston, TX
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony Pic View Post
What I read in Shooting Times was many of the Marlin workers did NOT relocate with Remington. The machinery move was a mess and there never were 3D drawings of the Marlin rifles. Add Cerberus to that. Recipe for disaster.
I just hope this wasn't the fruit of the anti gunners who wanted to shut down the companies that made guns.
Don’t blame someone else for Remington’s own darn fault. When was the last time a person was excited about a Remington release ? Crickets the last few things I think about the company is the bad triggers, the 770 sucks, the R51 fiasco or whatever the pistol was called , and the last recall.
Bumpy is offline   Reply With Quote Back To The Top
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:09 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 1999-2012, TexasBowhunter.com