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Old 07-02-2019, 08:47 PM   #1
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anyone have their AC charge recently?

May need to get a charge. AC has froze up.
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Old 07-02-2019, 09:11 PM   #2
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Make sure filters and coils are clean
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Old 07-02-2019, 09:17 PM   #3
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as stated above do all of that, if it still don't cool you will have to evacuate your a/c system and replace the expansion valve; and then recharge the system.
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Old 07-02-2019, 09:26 PM   #4
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What would you replace if there isn't an expansion?
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Old 07-02-2019, 09:34 PM   #5
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R22 or 410A? Big difference in price.
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Old 07-02-2019, 09:36 PM   #6
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What would you replace if there isn't an expansion?
every a/c system has an expansion valve; it is what causes the freon to get really cold. then it is forced into the condenser coil where the fan blows the cold air into the passenger compartment.

is this auto or home? above is for auto. but they all work on the same principal.
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Old 07-02-2019, 09:39 PM   #7
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every a/c system has an expansion valve; it is what causes the freon to get really cold. then it is forced into the condenser coil where the fan blows the cold air into the passenger compartment.

is this auto or home? above is for auto. but they all work on the same principal.
No, some systems use a fixed orifice to create the pressure drop.
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Old 07-02-2019, 09:44 PM   #8
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OP if you’re still on R22 it’s going to be steep.
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Old 07-02-2019, 09:48 PM   #9
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No, some systems use a fixed orifice to create the pressure drop.
ok glad I learned this.... i'm old school but this sounds like the same thing?? an orifice and an expansion valve are pretty much the same; right? idk.
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Old 07-02-2019, 09:54 PM   #10
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I assume you are talking about a home unit. The refrigerant cost would depend on the type required by your system. Check for blower air flow after defrosting ice. If low on refrigerant it has a leak somewhere. Recommend leak checking. Price check a company the cost of refrigerant and service / labor before work. There are some crooks out there but most are good companies. Noted one company in Bastrop area charges $110.00 per lb. for 410A !!!! Do your homework by checking around
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Old 07-02-2019, 09:55 PM   #11
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ok glad I learned this.... i'm old school but this sounds like the same thing?? an orifice and an expansion valve are pretty much the same; right? idk.
They are basically doing the same thing but a TXV has more opportunity to fail than the orifice. Reason being is a TXV throttles flow based on temperature to achieve efficiency.
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Old 07-02-2019, 09:58 PM   #12
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They are basically doing the same thing but a TXV has more opportunity to fail than the orifice. Reason being is a TXV throttles flow based on temperature to achieve efficiency.
are we talking home or auto on the TXV? im always wanting to learn something new.
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Old 07-02-2019, 10:02 PM   #13
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anyone have their AC charge recently?



May need to get a charge. AC has froze up.
My bill was $275.... 1Ĺ lbs + service call. Ouch.

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Old 07-02-2019, 10:02 PM   #14
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are we talking home or auto on the TXV? im always wanting to learn something new.
Either one, home and auto both have variants that use fixed orifices or TXVs.
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Old 07-02-2019, 10:06 PM   #15
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If on R22 refrigerant it can be converted to an replacement refrigerant. They sell recovered R22 now that can be reused. That decision would have to be based on amount of refrigerant needed and overall condition of existing unit
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Either one, home and auto both have variants that use fixed orifices or TXVs.
thanks , good to know.
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Old 07-02-2019, 10:15 PM   #17
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Not sure what it’s like down there but if you have an r22 unit, now is the best it’s been in a long time. We are buying 30lb. Jugs for 200.00 and some thing. Hopefully it’s the same there, and they will pass the savings on to the customers. I have several jugs but to far away to help. As said check your filter first, and the out door condenser to make sure it’s not clogged with cotton wood seeds ( if they are thing there, they for sure are here) dog hair, anything that floats in the air will stick to the condenser coil and restrict air flow. Easy things to check before calling service. Also make sure the out door fan is on when the compressor is running.

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Old 07-02-2019, 10:17 PM   #18
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If on R22 refrigerant it can be converted to an replacement refrigerant. They sell recovered R22 now that can be reused. That decision would have to be based on amount of refrigerant needed and overall condition of existing unit
We replaced a friend of ours condenser and used the replacement stuff. It was really cheap ~ $100 for 30lbs and itís going strong 5 years later.

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Not sure what itís like down there but if you have an r22 unit, now is the best itís been in a long time. We are buying 30lb. Jugs for 200.00 and some thing. Hopefully itís the same there, and they will pass the savings on to the customers. I have several jugs but to far away to help. As said check your filter first, and the out door condenser to make sure itís not clogged with cotton wood seeds ( if they are thing there, they for sure are here) dog hair, anything that floats in the air will stick to the condenser coil and restrict air flow. Easy things to check before calling service. Also make sure the out door fan is on when the compressor is running.
It seems like itís hit a plateau and stopped going up in price.
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Old 07-02-2019, 10:48 PM   #19
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We replaced a friend of ours condenser and used the replacement stuff. It was really cheap ~ $100 for 30lbs and itís going strong 5 years later.



It seems like itís hit a plateau and stopped going up in price.
The problem with the replacements out there is that every one will operate at less capacity and efficiency than R22. And if you did not repair the leak, you are not done yet. you will be buying more refrigerant. This is a good opportunity to begin budgeting for a replacement a/c system, as most likely nothing you have will work well with the new refrigerants. Also, the new unit will be more efficient than the one you have now.
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Old 07-03-2019, 05:03 AM   #20
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Refrigerant cost.

Keeping in mind everything required behind the contractor adding refrigerant to a system there needs to be a Surcharge added to the sell price per pound. (Equipment, regulations, disposal fees, etc).

BUT..... R410a presently is costing contractors around $100 dollars for 25#s.
IMHO, charging $100 for the 1st lb and then $40 - $50 per lb after that? Seems like a price gouge to me.

Iím in the industry and it ticks me off when I hear these stories
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Old 07-03-2019, 05:15 AM   #21
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OP if youíre still on R22 itís going to be steep.
I paid $60 a pound 2 weeks ago
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Old 07-03-2019, 05:56 AM   #22
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It was about $75 a pound for 410 last year. Buying a new unit this year as the drip pan is leaking. Twenty three years is long enough to nurse a unit along.
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Old 07-03-2019, 04:36 PM   #23
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OP if youíre still on R22 itís going to be steep.
It was $100 and I took 3 lbs

I did get lucky last night. Changed the air filters, which were over due, let the system thaw, and was about to run around 11pm.

Had our AC guy come out anyway just to check. And he said it was low.

The unit is the original with the house, and got the info that in 2020 R22 will be no longer available, so I need to get prepared to replace the system.

The rough estimate was told to be around $6K, but will probably have to shop that out. The AC guy I use is on the high side.
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Old 07-03-2019, 04:37 PM   #24
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I paid $60 a pound 2 weeks ago
You need to buy your AC guy something nice.
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Old 07-03-2019, 04:41 PM   #25
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No, some systems use a fixed orifice to create the pressure drop.
Yep. they been using the cap tube system since the 60's in small units.
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Old 07-03-2019, 04:43 PM   #26
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If R22 you're looking somewhere around $100 per pound and if R410a you're looking somewhere in the $50 per pound range. Prices of freon have gone up here recently too, so I may be a little low on those numbers. Like others have said, check your filters and go from there.
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Old 07-03-2019, 05:41 PM   #27
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r22 at 100 a pound is an A/C guy taking advantage of the customer. I had 8000 pounds I was trying to sell, no one really wanted it. We were going to do a Freon change, instead we bought 3000 pounds to top the system off for $10 a pound.

Most A/C guys are paying $13.50 a pound for 30 pound jug. There is no shortage of r22.
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Old 07-03-2019, 05:45 PM   #28
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r22 at 100 a pound is an A/C guy taking advantage of the customer. I had 8000 pounds I was trying to sell, no one really wanted it. We were going to do a Freon change, instead we bought 3000 pounds to top the system off for $10 a pound.

Most A/C guys are paying $13.50 a pound for 30 pound jug. There is no shortage of r22.
That hurts!
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I’m setting here looking at a bill for 300.00 for 45lbs. Just had a condenser put in.
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Old 07-03-2019, 06:40 PM   #30
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Iím setting here looking at a bill for 300.00 for 45lbs. Just had a condenser put in.
On a house or business? 45# is about 30# more than the average home.
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Old 07-03-2019, 06:57 PM   #31
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every a/c system has an expansion valve; it is what causes the freon to get really cold. then it is forced into the condenser coil where the fan blows the cold air into the passenger compartment.

is this auto or home? above is for auto. but they all work on the same principal.
That isnít how any of this works.
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Old 07-03-2019, 08:51 PM   #32
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On a house or business? 45# is about 30# more than the average home.
I know thatís why lm just looking at it and not paying it.
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Old 07-03-2019, 10:45 PM   #33
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Thatís insanely cheap. Usually r22 is above $150-200 a pound
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