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Old 06-07-2018, 12:55 PM   #1
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Already know that Vortex is less expensive however between

The Leica Geovid 10x42 HD R and the Vortex Fury HD 10x42 which one would you select? You are planning to use them regularly and for a long time.

Swarovski not in the mix because of the range finder limitations,control on left side, not under 33yd etc
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Those 2 brands shouldn’t be mentioned in the same paragraph if quality and durability is what you’re looking for.


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When I bought mine last year, I was trying to pick between the same two. The price and warranty was the main reasons I was even looking at vortex. I ended up with the Leica and have no regrets.
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Never had a problem with Vortex. For the price, I would put them up against Sworvski's any day. No one here will agree with me, but that's fine.

My own anecdotal evidence was elk hunting last year, when I was able to see tines from my Vortex bino's and our guide couldn't see anything besides color of the elk's back out of his Swarovski's. Guide used my bino's and was able to see the tines.
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Not comparable, Leica by a mile
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Those 2 brands shouldn’t be mentioned in the same paragraph if quality and durability is what you’re looking for.


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Vortex are **** good optics but this is 100% true.
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Leica. Leica. Leica.

cant say it enough.......

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Another Leica vote
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Those 2 brands shouldn’t be mentioned in the same paragraph if quality and durability is what you’re looking for.


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That's my thought as well--
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Old 06-07-2018, 02:28 PM   #14
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Leica. Always have extra batteries.
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Precisely.

If you are going to compare Vortex ranging binos to anything it should be again the Nikon Laser force.
Optically those two are close, but the Nikon faster scanning.
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Old 06-07-2018, 03:26 PM   #16
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I have had the Leica Geovid 10x42 HD range finding binoculars for a few years and they are without a doubt the best glass I have owned. The range finding is spot on and I have custom load development data in them and that is spot on as well.
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Never had a problem with Vortex. For the price, I would put them up against Sworvski's any day. No one here will agree with me, but that's fine.

My own anecdotal evidence was elk hunting last year, when I was able to see tines from my Vortex bino's and our guide couldn't see anything besides color of the elk's back out of his Swarovski's. Guide used my bino's and was able to see the tines.
Which model Bino’s?
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I take my hunting time pretty seriously and I’m willing to spend whatever it takes to get the gear I think works the best for me and is ultra reliable. I use Leica Geovid 10x42 rangefinding binos. I also carry a leupold handheld rangefinder as a backup and on some final stalks. I think vortex products are great for their price point and are totally functional. I have never looked through a piece of vortex glass that outperformed Leica or Swarovski.
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Never had a problem with Vortex. For the price, I would put them up against Sworvski's any day. No one here will agree with me, but that's fine.

My own anecdotal evidence was elk hunting last year, when I was able to see tines from my Vortex bino's and our guide couldn't see anything besides color of the elk's back out of his Swarovski's. Guide used my bino's and was able to see the tines.
Sorry, but I call BS on this one unless his Swaro's are screwed up. May be true, but I doubt it. Leica's or Swaro's over anything else on the market hands down. Being able to see earlier and late will separate the lower priced binos from the Leica's and Swaro's and also eye strain over a full day of glassing will show also. BUT, this is just my opinion. I personally have the old model Swaro 10x42's that have served me well for many, many years.
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Old 06-07-2018, 06:02 PM   #22
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I agree with everyone else, but Leica does have the crappiest customer service in the industry and Vortex CS is incredible.. Something to consider

For binos, I would get a Leica or Zeiss.. Swaros are the best but out of my price range

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I have a pair of high end Vortex. I also just got high end Leupold. Gave the vortex to my son. I’d trade leupold for Swarovski or Leica all day long.
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I agree with everyone else, but Leica does have the crappiest customer service in the industry and Vortex CS is incredible.. Something to consider


While I have heard the same about Leica CS, I would never sacrifice glass quality for better customer service, especially when you are getting into 4 figures for glass.


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Sorry, but I call BS on this one unless his Swaro's are screwed up. May be true, but I doubt it. Leica's or Swaro's over anything else on the market hands down. Being able to see earlier and late will separate the lower priced binos from the Leica's and Swaro's and also eye strain over a full day of glassing will show also. BUT, this is just my opinion. I personally have the old model Swaro 10x42's that have served me well for many, many years.


I have to agree with this and so would my wife. I have/had both and there is no way any glass Vortex has will outperform even lower end Swarovski glass.

The glass in Vortex Razor binos is good, but not Swarovski, Leica or high end Zeiss good.


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These threads never end well.

OP do a search on a bird watching forum and you will get the answers you need. Those folks live behind spotting scopes and binos far more than most hunters and guides. You will soon get your answer there, fairly certain it will be a German brand with Schott glass. Matter of fact there was a bird watching guide on THF that can answer questions.

For the most part the Leica will have much better optics and light transition, I will also assume your on a budget and trying to justify the cost difference between the two. I have my own experience with Leica and will leave it at that.

Buy what you feel comfortable with and go on a hunting trip. Leica optics will cost you as much as a Axis hunt, Vortex will cost you as much as a cull hunt.
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Never had a problem with Vortex. For the price, I would put them up against Sworvski's any day. No one here will agree with me, but that's fine.

My own anecdotal evidence was elk hunting last year, when I was able to see tines from my Vortex bino's and our guide couldn't see anything besides color of the elk's back out of his Swarovski's. Guide used my bino's and was able to see the tines.
Id like to know what model of each. My dad has some razor HD 10x42s and I have a set of swaro 10x42 EL HD and its not even remotely close. The HD swaro beats lieca too in my opinion. I have owned all 3. The swaro rangefinder in the binos isnt too impressive but niether is lieca. I use my EL HDs and a sig kilo 2000. I carry them both in an alaska guide creations harness with my kestrel. Everything from spotting to a wind and range call is on my chest and done within 30 seconds usually.

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I would choose Leica. I have a set of inexpensive Vortex Diamondback binos that are really good for the money though. However, I can't really say the same about some of the other Vortex products I have used. Whether true or not, in my mind, it is more difficult to stumble across bad Leica products than Vortex products. I have a Leica ER 5 scope that I love. It's bright, crisp and clear.
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In my bow hunting gear I carry around south Texas is a Sig Kilo and an old pair of Pentax binos. Before y'all optic snobs get me on the ground and bust up my ribs, let me say this. On my Nilgai hunt this year, my guide had a pair of Nikon Rangefinder Binos and they are much smaller and lighter than most other brands.

I have really thought about about buying them, because it would be a two fer. Eliminate a range finder and save some space. The glass was ok and the rangefinder part was fast and decent. Reckon I would not use them in the mountains or plains, just in the Mesquites and brush. Rifle hunting, I have another set up for that. Watcha think?
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Already know that Vortex is less expensive however between

The Leica Geovid 10x42 HD R and the Vortex Fury HD 10x42 which one would you select? You are planning to use them regularly and for a long time.

Swarovski not in the mix because of the range finder limitations,control on left side, not under 33yd etc
Might be best if you can use or try both during a low light condition time of day, dawn or dusk this will help you on making your own decision about which will best suit your needs.
These low light conditions will separate the differences between good binos vs great binos Then it will be up to you to decide if the price difference is worth paying for.
IMO ~ get the best quality glass you can afford
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Old 06-07-2018, 08:49 PM   #31
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For the record I have used Swaro’s for years, great glass and great CS. With that being said, what I do know is your eyes seldom improve with age, so quality glass is very important. Thanks for all the suggestions, the only advantage I saw in the Vortex was size and maybe CS. Swaro’s rangefinder not suitable for bow hunting plus controls not comfortable. Looks like Leica .
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I would go swaro over leica only because their is a consistent on hand history of Leica flip-flopping on wnty issues vs the swaro.

Swaro has a history of being exactly like Leopold & standing behind their product regardless...I know of several issues where Leica crawfished at every opportunity to avoid the same. FWIW.


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Swarovski over either any day of the week. But, just off warranty, and I’d probably not get either of the original mentioned I’d buy the vortex over Leica. My geovids were great glass but the range finder quit working after 14 months and they told me sorry, it’ll be 1800 dollars to replace them. I will never buy another Leica product again. Their CS and warranty sucks! I wouldn’t market a positive for Leica is they gave me a pair
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Had to pay 120$ to repair my Leicas so the warranty is not great
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Id like to know what model of each. My dad has some razor HD 10x42s and I have a set of swaro 10x42 EL HD and its not even remotely close. The HD swaro beats lieca too in my opinion. I have owned all 3. The swaro rangefinder in the binos isnt too impressive but niether is lieca. I use my EL HDs and a sig kilo 2000. I carry them both in an alaska guide creations harness with my kestrel. Everything from spotting to a wind and range call is on my chest and done within 30 seconds usually.

Buy the absolute best you can afford. If it takes saving for a month or two longer then so be it
This 100%

My buddy sold his razors after our elk hunt and using my EL HD beside them all day. Not close. To some maybe not worth the big price difference and I can understand that, but performance isn’t on the same level.
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Swarovski over either any day of the week. But, just off warranty, and I’d probably not get either of the original mentioned I’d buy the vortex over Leica. My geovids were great glass but the range finder quit working after 14 months and they told me sorry, it’ll be 1800 dollars to replace them. I will never buy another Leica product again. Their CS and warranty sucks! I wouldn’t market a positive for Leica is they gave me a pair
Same story here, they sent mine back and I resent them in a month later. They claimed a three year warranty on electronics then and these were 8 months old. I actually got in a yelling match with the idiot on the phone and magically I got new ones in the mail 2 months later. I sold mine and went on an Axis hunt with the money,Lol. I dont think I would pick Vortex over Leica for optics, but that is not really an apples to apples comparison.

If someone made a small lightweight version of binos with a rangefinder in them for bow hunting, I would buy them.

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I agree and I have optics in both. There's Zeiss, Leica, Swarovski - and then there's everybody else.
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I have been very happy with my Leica Geovid HD’s.
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The only similarities are there both binnos, that’s about it.
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Same here and I'll add Zeiss to that list.
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Old 06-08-2018, 02:00 PM   #42
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Depends on what your looking for. If looking for the higher quality glass go with the Leica. If looking for warranty and price go with Vortex. I have had both and the Lecia is quite a bit better especially during long glassing sits. However I have never found a time where I was unhappy or couldn’t get things done with the Vortex. I am a bit rough on equipment so I have started using all Vortex because of there warranty and customer service.
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Old 06-12-2018, 09:00 AM   #43
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It appears that for bow hunting Vortex Fury should work well, you are not shooting long range or in significant low light situations. I seldom shoot outside 40 yds and if light too low cannot see my pin anyway. Cost, performance for the task at hand, and CS lean towards Vortex.
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The best warranty is one you never have to use. I've had to use Vortex's warranty 4 different time on different optics. Most issues related to internal components coming loose and reticles shifting inside scope.

I have the 10x42 Leica's now and I love them. No issues; super clear optics.
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I hear you, I have a pair of Swaro’s, no issues and have a Vortex I use at home and three I have given to family, so far, about six years, no issues.
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It appears that for bow hunting Vortex Fury should work well, you are not shooting long range or in significant low light situations. I seldom shoot outside 40 yds and if light too low cannot see my pin anyway. Cost, performance for the task at hand, and CS lean towards Vortex.


The Vortex Fury is actually pretty nice and will likely work well for bowhunting.


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It appears that for bow hunting Vortex Fury should work well, you are not shooting long range or in significant low light situations. I seldom shoot outside 40 yds and if light too low cannot see my pin anyway. Cost, performance for the task at hand, and CS lean towards Vortex.
Post your results of which you buy, and what you like or dislike after you get chance to use them
Following for advise on my purchase, thanks
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It appears that for bow hunting Vortex Fury should work well, you are not shooting long range or in significant low light situations. I seldom shoot outside 40 yds and if light too low cannot see my pin anyway. Cost, performance for the task at hand, and CS lean towards Vortex.
I was hoping you would buy the Nikon and let us know how good it was. Contact Arrowsmith on here and he will give you a good price on Vortex, plus he is a site sponsor
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Never had a problem with Vortex. For the price, I would put them up against Sworvski's any day. No one here will agree with me, but that's fine.

My own anecdotal evidence was elk hunting last year, when I was able to see tines from my Vortex bino's and our guide couldn't see anything besides color of the elk's back out of his Swarovski's. Guide used my bino's and was able to see the tines.
That is what you would call an anomaly. Swaros are 100 times the binos of Vortex. Spend a significant amount of time glassing and the high end glass will always come out on top.

With that said, it is all relative to what your application is and what are your expectations. I spend a lot of time glassing on hunts all over North America. My Swaros and Leica are the best hunting investments I've ever made.

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