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Old 08-05-2018, 09:16 AM   #1
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I have one more year before I'll be able to draw early SS retirement, and I intend to do it.

After that, I'll be able to, and fully intend to start elk hunting again (probably Colorado, but not sure).

I'll go it alone if I have to,

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How many of you other old farts (60 plus) would be interested in getting an annual group elk hunt going?

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Ah shucks. I'll only be 55. Too bad.🤣

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Ah shucks. I'll only be 55. Too bad.🤣

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True.
But everybody has to be good at something.

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And don't mind hauling elk quarters out of nasty holes ???
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And don't mind hauling elk quarters out of nasty holes ???
There may be applications for such.
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Donít you know old men are solitary creatures


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Prolly could get a group discount on oxygen bottles....
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Yes, yes we are, but we still like to get together every great once in a while for a good spit & whittle session.

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Prolly could get a group discount on oxygen bottles....
Most likely.
Between that & all the hot air we could probably stay real warm too.

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I pretty much think my elk hunting days are behind me.
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Kidding aside .... Intriguing idea, Rick. Open to consider.

Are you far along enough in your thought process to know what type of hunt, a possible ballpark cost, chances to get close enough for a reasonable trad shot?
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I pretty much think my elk hunting days are behind me.
I thought that too for quite a long while, but have come to realize I can do quite a lot, and go quite a ways if allowed to go at it at my own pace.

The only thing really keeping me from it is finances, and that's gonna change for the better.

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Old 08-05-2018, 11:20 AM   #13
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A drop camp hunt would help a lot. No gear to pack in, outfitter packs out game, get into a good area do learning curve is lower.

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Kidding aside .... Intriguing idea, Rick. Open to consider.

Are you far along enough in your thought process to know what type of hunt, a possible ballpark cost, chances to get close enough for a reasonable trad shot?
Ellis, I have no plans other than I am going to start going again as soon as my early retirement comes through. That means I'm looking to go again for the first time come 2020, and will go alone if it comes down to that. One way or another I'm going.

I don't have any particular place in mind. I've never elk hunted anywhere except Colorado, specifically the San Juan NF above Mancos, and the San Juan Wilderness in the Red Lake area.

I've been several times, but only killed one cow elk.
I have never bow hunted elk with gear other than my trad gear.
Out of all those times I could have killed an elk easily with my trad gear "IF" it had been an elk I wanted to kill. I had my arm twisted to shoot the cow, or I would not have shot her.

I have also been within easy shooting distance of both bear & muledeer on several occasions, but did not have a tag for them.

On one trip I was on bear & within shooting range so often, that I almost made the long trip to town to get a tag (which was OTC at the time). Talked myself out of making the trip. Wish I hadn't.

A DIY elk hunt (last I did one) was around $1,100 (trip tags, meals) total, but I could have done it a bit cheaper I think. That was with two of us splitting all the cost evenly.

Outfitted hunts always cost a great deal more than that, and will probably be off the table as an option for me, but who knows.

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My last elk hunt, in 2012, did not end well. My horse threw me and I landed 10 feet below the trail, flat on my back. I've been thrown before, but at almost 66 years old, I did not bounce as good as I used to. That 14 mile ride out with a bad back was not fun.
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Heck, Rick. You make it sound almost reasonable.

Cost seems practically do-able; shot distance is the most surprising, though. Reading all the compound guys' info makes one think that you have to be ready to shoot 40-60 yards out. I'm sure Fred Bear and Ben Pearson could do that, but I wouldn't necessarily want to try.

Also, sounds like having some flexibility on other game tags would be helpful. Regarding elk you passed on, what factors were you basing that on? Antlers? Pack out feasibility? Time of day? Impending weather? Just curious.
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Old 08-05-2018, 12:12 PM   #18
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We did the DIY route up north and west of Pagosa near Williams Creek Reservoir. Tags were much cheaper then. We were a group of 4. About $500 in expenses not including tags. Lots of walking. Seen some elk. Killed a couple with a rifle. Big army tent we stayed in. Had a port a potty in a tent. Lots of walking and a bunch of fun. But it was tough hunting.
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Heck, Rick. You make it sound almost reasonable.

Cost seems practically do-able; shot distance is the most surprising, though. Reading all the compound guys' info makes one think that you have to be ready to shoot 40-60 yards out. I'm sure Fred Bear and Ben Pearson could do that, but I wouldn't necessarily want to try.

Also, sounds like having some flexibility on other game tags would be helpful. Regarding elk you passed on, what factors were you basing that on? Antlers? Pack out feasibility? Time of day? Impending weather? Just curious.
Ellis, every time I've been it has been with guys way younger than me, and they wanted to run the rims as hard as they could go.

Every time I let the young guys run their marathons without me.
I just scouted around for the first couple of days, picked out 2 or 3 spots that looked good to set up on for ambush hunting, made some simple ground blinds, and just started rotating going to them for the day. Seems to work for me, and ain't all that hard on ya to do.

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Old 08-05-2018, 01:25 PM   #20
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Rick, you have this all wrong! You need to roster at least two young bucks to do all your meat packing for you. Let them run themselves ragged going steep and deep, while you saunter into a nice ambush spot and zip a nice bull. Make sure they sign a meat hauling contract while you're at it! Hahaha!
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Like the idea of being where the elk want to go instead of chasing them.
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Old 08-05-2018, 02:18 PM   #22
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Ok Rick I am old enough . The pines in the red lake area has been killed off by powder post Beatles . So sad I could hardly stand to look at it. Don't know how that affects the elk but what I wittinessed last summer. They are everywhere in the state . Don't know why they don't address the the pest. More pines taken by the Beatles than fires. Oh Mr. Obama ,or Trump have not considered this problem. Locals are saying they will just get replaced by aspens. Well they loose there leaves in the winter , now you have half as much oxygen being produced . I don't get it. Arvin
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Old 08-05-2018, 02:29 PM   #23
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Rick, I definitely meet the age requirement! Would be interested for sure! Tried that rum &gun method with the youngsters once, myself. Ended up like you, my own pace, my own way.

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Old 08-05-2018, 02:40 PM   #24
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Don't forget you need 3k in Sitka, firstlite clothing,$600 boots, sat phone, scouting app on your phone, tracking beacon with internet for posting selfies and giving hourly reports to wifey. Also a fully rigged out utv for riding the roads and places it shouldn't be while "hunting for elk". I'm only 55, but I codger hunt successfully every year. Just kidding guys don't get worked up, good luck out there, thanks for supporting hunting.
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Old 08-05-2018, 02:44 PM   #25
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I know Colorado is closer and it will cost more per person with the fuel costs, BUT central Idaho is some of the coolest country that I have ever found. It also has quite a bit fewer folks, with that said we called in an elk to three yards two years ago. Ambush spots can be found all over Colorado. I’ve taken a nap on the side of the mountain and had a small herd of elk wake me up walking 10 yards away. There are also many units that are draw only but can be drawn every year with zero points. $600 or so for a tag and some fuel and food and you can be on your way. Many units are zero points with mule deer as well. Can be great either sex tags for Mulies also.

Another plus for Idaho is buy an elk tag and you can put it on a deer or a bear. It’s like buying three tags in one.
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Old 08-05-2018, 05:19 PM   #26
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I donít qualify, but we have been going every year for the last 6 years. Iíve had a shot every year, and killed two bulls. Ours is a DIY affair, and I plan $1000 for the trip. Last year tags were $650 with the ATV stamp. Both of the bulls I killed could have been killed with Trad gear. Some of the other shots, not so much.

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Old 08-05-2018, 05:23 PM   #27
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Don't forget you need 3k in Sitka, firstlite clothing,$600 boots, sat phone, scouting app on your phone, tracking beacon with internet for posting selfies and giving hourly reports to wifey. Also a fully rigged out utv for riding the roads and places it shouldn't be while "hunting for elk". I'm only 55, but I codger hunt successfully every year. Just kidding guys don't get worked up, good luck out there, thanks for supporting hunting.
You obviously haven't hunted elk in Colorado in late August and early September. You'll sweat a lot, get rained on almost daily and be dodging lightning bolts in the mid afternoon hours. Finding a wallow or seep in a great advantage and as Rick said, the right hide in the right place, is much better than pushing them out of your zip code.
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Old 08-05-2018, 08:21 PM   #28
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We've got some nice elk hunting in the general areas of Southern Wyoming, additional cow tags too.
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Old 08-05-2018, 10:57 PM   #29
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Old 08-06-2018, 01:41 AM   #30
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Rick, you have this all wrong! You need to roster at least two young bucks to do all your meat packing for you. Let them run themselves ragged going steep and deep, while you saunter into a nice ambush spot and zip a nice bull. Make sure they sign a meat hauling contract while you're at it! Hahaha!
Sounds like youve been push and haul fodder for a Camp Viagra on some mountain somewheres!

Im in at...38. Ill rent a mule.
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Good for you Mike! You will love it, itís been a quick 3 plus years since I pulled the trigger on retirement.
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Im of the age requirement but not so sure I could behave. I'd love to do this, elk is on my bucket list along with mt. lion.
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We've got some nice elk hunting in the general areas of Southern Wyoming, additional cow tags too.
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Im of the age requirement but not so sure I could behave. I'd love to do this, elk is on my bucket list along with mt. lion.
Well BroPeanut, I would dearly love to share camp with ya.
Let's make this happen.

Like I said, it'll be 2020 before I'm able, but I'll be rarin & ready to go by that time.

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Rick and whomever else is interested, if you guys are serious. I’d highly suggest buying a point in Wyoming this year and next. By 2020 you can get a general elk tag and it will be much lower pressure and probably lower elevation. Lots more bugling than most CO OTC tags as well. Perfect wall tent/camper set up and then hunt areas abound.
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Rick and whomever else is interested, if you guys are serious. Iíd highly suggest buying a point in Wyoming this year and next. By 2020 you can get a general elk tag and it will be much lower pressure and probably lower elevation. Lots more bugling than most CO OTC tags as well. Perfect wall tent/camper set up and then hunt areas abound.
Can you just pay for the preference point without applying for a full price non-resident license? Not versed in this at all.
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Old 08-06-2018, 10:32 PM   #37
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I am only mid 50s but I can behave. I would love to go with a group. I have not been since 2015. I am serious about going again.

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Can you just pay for the preference point without applying for a full price non-resident license? Not versed in this at all.


Yes, you will need to open an account with the state of Wyoming. Then you can purchase a preference point only for $52 for elk, $41 for deer and $31 for antelope. But lots of places can be had for only a couple points. Tags are expensive, but so is every state for non-residents. Kind of like my CO buddies who came down and choked on the $300 license here in Texas when they pay $42 for a resident elk tag.


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Never seriously considered hunting elk before, but I've just spent hours researching possibilities in Colorado, Idaho and Wyoming. Looks like you can find plenty of great guided hunts for $6,000 or $7,000 and up. Drop camps seem to run from around $1,500 to $2,500 per hunter. Access seems pretty available, although in Wyoming it looks like you have to have a guide (or Wyoming resident) with you to hunt any "wilderness" area -- plus "preference points" seem necessary to get into more sought-after units. This raises the other issue for the truly ignorant -- how do you even know where you WANT to hunt/apply?
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Drt,
Our unit gets 12" of rain annually, hunt the entire month of archery last 4 years, hunt waterhole, seeps, wallows almost exclusively. So not alot of rain to dodge but alot of sweat for sure. Calling works certain years, depends on temperature. Not the typical Colorado elk country, no trout to fish for, no water to hold them. It's a sit and wait game mostly, perfect for us older guys.
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And don't mind hauling elk quarters out of nasty holes ???

Well hauling meat out can be very easy , you cal up one of the many locals that offer a a service you give them GPS and the bring in pack animals . One location I hunt in Co is a no brainer its a tough hike with just your gear
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Never seriously considered hunting elk before, but I've just spent hours researching possibilities in Colorado, Idaho and Wyoming. Looks like you can find plenty of great guided hunts for $6,000 or $7,000 and up. Drop camps seem to run from around $1,500 to $2,500 per hunter. Access seems pretty available, although in Wyoming it looks like you have to have a guide (or Wyoming resident) with you to hunt any "wilderness" area -- plus "preference points" seem necessary to get into more sought-after units. This raises the other issue for the truly ignorant -- how do you even know where you WANT to hunt/apply?

Well either a friend or some one like me that hunts I hunt public land myself.. I have 4500 to hunt that is private but its in the north west part and the drive is a killer two days to get there 2 back and I just dont have the extra time .

Look into public you might be shocked at how good it can be . Tons of game out there ,
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Yes that is one way. Just plan for it in your budget.

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Old 08-08-2018, 04:24 AM   #45
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In 2020 elk season Iíll only be 28 so I donít qualify for the party! But it sounds like yíall will have a blast!
I actually hunt the same area you are talking about. Iím leaving to go up there this Saturday. Iíll be taking my new static tip recurve Iím just about finished making. My dad and friends will be joining me later in the month.
Great fishing in that area too!
When you do go be sure to eat at Finaís diner in Chama. She will take care of you I guarantee! She makes a breakfast burrito that is so big it is served in a pirex pan lol.



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Ok Rick I am old enough . The pines in the red lake area has been killed off by powder post Beatles . So sad I could hardly stand to look at it. Don't know how that affects the elk but what I wittinessed last summer. They are everywhere in the state . Don't know why they don't address the the pest. More pines taken by the Beatles than fires. Oh Mr. Obama ,or Trump have not considered this problem. Locals are saying they will just get replaced by aspens. Well they loose there leaves in the winter , now you have half as much oxygen being produced . I don't get it. Arvin


Iím told that in order to kill off the beetles it would also kill off a bunch of other stuff that is good for environment. I agree that something needs to be done. Years ago FS planted a bunch on osier MT. They just skinned Neff mountain they may well plant it now that they logged the whole thing. The only visibly bad area is Trujillo meadows as far as beatle kill. Elk creek and wolf creek isnít horrible.
As far as the game is concerned I donít have a reference to speak about any change, but there are still plenty of elk. There are also some great mulies


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Old 08-08-2018, 06:01 AM   #47
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I turn 62 this month, recovering from 2nd and 3rd degree chemical burns on my legs that required skin grafts on both knees. Still planning on going to Montana in November to hunt mule deer/elk. My son and I always hunted together but this may be our last year so I will need some companions. Don't plan on retiring till 65 but i do have 6 weeks vacation. Did a drop camp hunt in Colorado back in 2015. Didn't see a thing but was one of my best hunts with my son. I'd be interested.
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Old 08-08-2018, 07:40 AM   #48
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I love to hunt, but spending a months (or more) worth of income for a week of hunting has never made a lot of sense to me. Oh, I've done it, but money was real good at the time, and even then I regretted it later.

I'll most likely be limiting the amount I'm willing to be out turnkey to around 1,500 to 1,600 dollars, and less if at all possible.

Yeah, call me cheapskate. I don't mind.

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Old 08-08-2018, 09:17 AM   #49
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Okay, Rick, assuming straight DIY in Colorado: how did you and your buddy get in and out and camped in the past? What would you feel the limit would be distance-wise to haul out meat on foot -- have to assume success, right? -- if not using a pack-out service or outfitter (for $500, prolly). A medium size elk may weigh around 500 pounds and over 250 pounds boned out, according to one chart I saw. Seems like the thinking has to start at the end, basically: how to get the meat out? Have seen ideas about it: game cart, make a travois, multiple trips staging it back and forth. Curious how you have done it.

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Old 08-08-2018, 09:38 AM   #50
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Iím told that in order to kill off the beetles it would also kill off a bunch of other stuff that is good for environment. I agree that something needs to be done. Years ago FS planted a bunch on osier MT. They just skinned Neff mountain they may well plant it now that they logged the whole thing. The only visibly bad area is Trujillo meadows as far as beatle kill. Elk creek and wolf creek isnít horrible.
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Um , elk eat grass so the beetle killed trees only help to open up the understory for the grasses to grow. Not one thing to do about the beetles once they get started. Very cold winters is all that kill them.
Falling dead trees are the problem with the beetle kill.
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