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Old 07-30-2018, 10:23 AM   #1
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Maybe all the Beto hype in the media is clouding my judgement but this race is starting to make me nervous. As usual, it will all be about turnout. Even if they have an overall numerical disadvantage, the side with the most motivated supporters can give any candidate a fighting chance. Beto has a lot of money and some powerful forces behind him. I am especially worried about that big chunk of voters who are kind of in the middle and not especially committed, ideologically speaking. We all know there are a lot of people for whom a candidate's personality/likeability is the deciding factor - Cruz loses likely those votes. The race has not even really started yet so hopefully Ted can still rally the troops. My point is we better not just scoff at Beto, dismiss him and sleep on this - it looks like his momentum is building.
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I will be voting and urging everyone I know to go vote. This isn't a time to be complacent.

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Maybe all the Beto hype in the media is clouding my judgement but this race is starting to make me nervous. As usual, it will all be about turnout. Even if they have an overall numerical disadvantage, the side with the most motivated supporters can give any candidate a fighting chance. Beto has a lot of money and some powerful forces behind him. I am especially worried about that big chunk of voters who are kind of in the middle and not especially committed, ideologically speaking. We all know there are a lot of people for whom a candidate's personality/likeability is the deciding factor - Cruz loses likely those votes. The race has not even really started yet so hopefully Ted can still rally the troops. My point is we better not just scoff at Beto, dismiss him and sleep on this - it looks like his momentum is building.
I've been thinking the same. Ol' Ted better get home and put boots on the ground. My BIL from Colorado is campaigning for Robert Francis O'Rourke via phone calls, text, and emails. I already told him not to send me anything or he won't like what he gets back! While he was down visiting a couple of weeks ago I gave him some facts about O'Rouke that he had no idea about. It's the same old left wing crap he is pushing for the Mexican and progressive vote. It's funny that I knew more about his policies than he did, and he's campaigning for him! My wife asked me not to bring up politics but he started it
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I have listened to Cruz on several recent interviews and I see no sign of nervousness from him. So inturn I haven't been as well. I will be voting along with encouraging friends and family members who are just keyboard warrior Republicans to go actually vote for once in their **** life.
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Looking forward to these debates. I honestly didn't think Rourke would take him up on it.

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I think its a mistake to give the fake mexican a big media spot light but it could show his true colors to Texans. However, I think the mere fact Cruz offered these debates is enough reason to show that there is concern on his part. How in the world did Texas get to this point..
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............................How in the world did Texas get to this point..

The influx of liberals from liberal states and the influx of illegals and the support of them by their sympathizers. Thereís plenty right here on the green screen.


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I am glad he decided to debate Beto. I realize it’s up to the campaigns whether to debate or not, but it is always nice to listen to candidates face off.
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I think its a mistake to give the fake mexican a big media spot light but it could show his true colors to Texans. However, I think the mere fact Cruz offered these debates is enough reason to show that there is concern on his part. How in the world did Texas get to this point..
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I am glad he decided to debate Beto. I realize itís up to the campaigns whether to debate or not, but it is always nice to listen to candidates face off.
I only see O'Rourke as benefiting, but anyone who makes their mind up on a candidate by a political debate shouldn't be voting. And, Ted wipes the floor with Robert!
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People should vote if they are eligible and have right to do so legally. Casting a vote based on debate is, in my opinion, ridiculous.
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The influx of liberals from liberal states and the influx of illegals and the support of them by their sympathizers. Thereís plenty right here on the green screen.


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Unfortunately this is the truth, last sentence included...
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Jerp, Personally I've never thought Cruz was unlikable. But I get your point.
Folks who can't think logically or follow his reasoned arguments think he comes off as arrogant and lawyerly.
Not to dredge up old wounds but slanderous crap thrown at him from a certain other presidential candidate did a lot of damage to his stellar reputation even in the minds of people who agree with him on every issue.
Ted is a good friend to every freedom loving American and I hope people don't sit out on our side because of nasty politics.
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Jerp, Personally I've never thought Cruz was unlikable. But I get your point.
Folks who can't think logically or follow his reasoned arguments think he comes off as arrogant and lawyerly.
Not to dredge up old wounds but slanderous crap thrown at him from a certain other presidential candidate did a lot of damage to his stellar reputation even in the minds of people who agree with him on every issue.
Ted is a good friend to every freedom loving American and I hope people don't sit out on our side because of nasty politics.
Good points. He has always had a lot working against him. From the get-go the media has always painted him as some kind of mean, radical loon. When first elected to the senate he charged in and immediately started trying to do exactly what he promised he would do. That made enemies of the old-line republican establishment. Then - as Gunny noted - he was treated shamefully by candidate Trump in the primaries. Then he made enemies of many hard core Trump supporters by not specifically endorsing him at the convention. ("Vote your conscience" remember that?) I like everything Ted stands for politically, I just hope he has not made so many enemies it proves to be politically fatal.
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Jerp, Personally I've never thought Cruz was unlikable. But I get your point.
Folks who can't think logically or follow his reasoned arguments think he comes off as arrogant and lawyerly.
Not to dredge up old wounds but slanderous crap thrown at him from a certain other presidential candidate did a lot of damage to his stellar reputation even in the minds of people who agree with him on every issue.
Ted is a good friend to every freedom loving American and I hope people don't sit out on our side because of nasty politics.
Agreed. He was never "unlikeable" on our side until everything "not Trump" became the devil. Cruz is one of the very few in Washington who is a statesman and actually understands and advocates for the Constitutional freedoms we all enjoy and would like to regain more of.
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Still have my Cruz2016 sticker on the back of my truck.
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Had another Beto bush beater text me. Third one so far. Called me Trevar. I have no idea whom they thought I was but they didn't like my opinion of Beto or my responses.
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agreed. He was never "unlikeable" on our side until everything "not trump" became the devil. Cruz is one of the very few in washington who is a statesman and actually understands and advocates for the constitutional freedoms we all enjoy and would like to regain more of.

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Agreed. He was never "unlikeable" on our side until everything "not Trump" became the devil. Cruz is one of the very few in Washington who is a statesman and actually understands and advocates for the Constitutional freedoms we all enjoy and would like to regain more of.
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For me it's not a problem of Cruz likeability or is he constitutionally inclined. It's he's been there to long. He is a career politician bought out by special interests. Now it may be interests a gun toting, God fearing person supports, but he's still not going to do anything that jeopardizes his career.
If you think he is just try to get him to agree to term limits. He won't. None of them will.

That said he's a better one to put there than O'Rourke for dang sure.

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I think people are mistaking the national support for O'Rourke as support for him by Texans. The hype he is getting will definitely get the Cruz voters out and I see O'Rourke finishing somewhere along the lines of that gal with the pink running shoes.
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For me it's not a problem of Cruz likeability or is he constitutionally inclined. It's he's been there to long. He is a career politician bought out by special interests. Now it may be interests a gun toting, God fearing person supports, but he's still not going to do anything that jeopardizes his career.
If you think he is just try to get him to agree to term limits. He won't. None of them will.

That said he's a better one to put there than O'Rourke for dang sure.

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Do you even research any of this "stuff" or just make it up as you go?
A quick google search will show you a dozen or more links showing Cruz is definitely in favor of term limits.

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/02...rm-limits-thr/

Last month, U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, proposed a constitutional amendment with U.S. Rep. Ron DeSantis, R-Fla., that would limit members of Congress to serving a maximum of three terms in the House and two in the Senate.
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For me it's not a problem of Cruz likeability or is he constitutionally inclined. It's he's been there to long. He is a career politician bought out by special interests. Now it may be interests a gun toting, God fearing person supports, but he's still not going to do anything that jeopardizes his career.
If you think he is just try to get him to agree to term limits. He won't. None of them will.

That said he's a better one to put there than O'Rourke for dang sure.

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What do you consider to long? He's only been in one term...
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Jerp, Personally I've never thought Cruz was unlikable. But I get your point.
Folks who can't think logically or follow his reasoned arguments think he comes off as arrogant and lawyerly.
Not to dredge up old wounds but slanderous crap thrown at him from a certain other presidential candidate did a lot of damage to his stellar reputation even in the minds of people who agree with him on every issue.
Ted is a good friend to every freedom loving American and I hope people don't sit out on our side because of nasty politics.
He did a lot of damage to himself when he did that speech at the RNC.. Came off as a Never Trumper.. He has slowly gained some respect back, I hope Trump will do some campaigning for him.
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Beto will probably get more illegal votes than legal votes. Probably a good handful of dead people votes too. Why is that? It's the way democrats operate.
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What do you consider to long? He's only been in one term...


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For me it's not a problem of Cruz likeability or is he constitutionally inclined. It's he's been there to long. He is a career politician bought out by special interests. Now it may be interests a gun toting, God fearing person supports, but he's still not going to do anything that jeopardizes his career.
If you think he is just try to get him to agree to term limits. He won't. None of them will.

That said he's a better one to put there than O'Rourke for dang sure.

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Term limits are a lazy fix. If Vermont thinks a socialist is a good idea they will keep sending him to Washington. Why should I be deprived of being represented by strict constitutionalist based on an arbitrary time frame. We have the vote. Make your case and and exercise it. That is your term limit.
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Term limits are a lazy fix. If Vermont thinks a socialist is a good idea they will keep sending him to Washington. Why should I be deprived of being represented by strict constitutionalist based on an arbitrary time frame. We have the vote. Make your case and and exercise it. That is your term limit.


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Yup. I hate to admit that it may be necessary as our electorate becomes less and less motivated to vote for the right reasons.
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Term limits are a lazy fix. If Vermont thinks a socialist is a good idea they will keep sending him to Washington. Why should I be deprived of being represented by strict constitutionalist based on an arbitrary time frame. We have the vote. Make your case and and exercise it. That is your term limit.
Same could be said for President. But I think we can all agree that a term limit for a president is a good idea. Just think of having Obama for 8 more terms...which could have happened without the limit. Think of all the "Change" he would do in that time period. Same thought process for Congress in my opinion. I don't think it was meant to be a lifetime appointment, which is what it has basically become.
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What do you consider to long? He's only been in one term...
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Just out of curiosity I google the word Beto.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Beto
The number one answer pretty much sums him up.
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Do you even research any of this "stuff" or just make it up as you go?
A quick google search will show you a dozen or more links showing Cruz is definitely in favor of term limits.

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/02...rm-limits-thr/

Last month, U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, proposed a constitutional amendment with U.S. Rep. Ron DeSantis, R-Fla., that would limit members of Congress to serving a maximum of three terms in the House and two in the Senate.
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What do you consider to long? He's only been in one term...
Exactly. This is an example of why jerp's comment is true, even though it's senseless that it's true. Most people on both sides are far more invested into the politics of personality and mob mentality than they are actual facts and legitimate ideas and principles. It's frustrating, but that's where we are these days.

It's not that most people are dumb or incapable. We're just all caught up into mob mentality and tribalism or whatever, and we're not actually thinking critically very often.

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No question, conservatives in TX should not fall asleep at the wheel and get out there to vote.

With that said, I think Beto is more hype than anything. Although TX is still a red state, the press in our urban areas is largely blue.

I remember when Wendy Davis was running for Governor and the press hyped it to be a close race. She ended up receiving less than 40% of the vote and over 50% of women didn't even vote for her. Hopefully that's going to be the case for Beto.
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I only see O'Rourke as benefiting, but anyone who makes their mind up on a candidate by a political debate shouldn't be voting. And, Ted wipes the floor with Robert!
Yes, Ted is phenomenal at debates.

Debates are useful for people who haven't made up their minds yet but are going to vote.

And for those of you who say Ted isn't worried, haven't been reading his weekly emails. Robert O'Rourke has out raised him on funding.
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The problem with elections are stupid people get to vote too.

There's tests for drivers licenses, gun licenses, education certificates, getting eye glasses... but anyone...can vote for someone to represent the city, county, district, state, country.
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Trump seemed to do a great job of painting a pretty negative picture of Cruz ...
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Trump seemed to do a great job of painting a pretty negative picture of Cruz ...
That was the only play Trump had. Bully the rest of the field. It worked.
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Trump seemed to do a great job of painting a pretty negative picture of Cruz ...

I will vote for Cruz, I did in the presidential primary but my opinion of him dropped way down after the election.
Not from anything Trump said but because of what a bad looser he was.
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I will vote for Cruz, I did in the presidential primary but my opinion of him dropped way down after the election.
Not from anything Trump said but because of what a bad looser he was.
I thought Cruz held his tongue pretty well considering what was coming from the other side. He definitely did not stoop to the level of his opponent.
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I thought Cruz held his tongue pretty well considering what was coming from the other side. He definitely did not stoop to the level of his opponent.
True. I'm not sure I could forgive/forget my opponent attaching the word "lying" to my name whenever he mentioned me, (while giving no examples of lies) much less if he said my father was involved in a presidential assassination or publicly denigrated my wife's appearance. To his credit, Cruz has gotten on board with Trump's agenda in the areas he thinks it's best for the country..

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True. I'm not sure I could forgive/forget my opponent attaching the word "lying" to my name whenever he mentioned me, (while giving no examples of lies) much less if he said my father was involved in a presidential assassination or publicly denigrated my wife's appearance. To his credit, Cruz has gotten on board with Trump's agenda in the areas he thinks it's best for the country..
Well put
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Beto will probably get more illegal votes than legal votes. Probably a good handful of dead people votes too. Why is that? It's the way democrats operate.
How many Illegals voted in the last election? Can you tell me how they can vote?
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I'm bettin Mr Cruz eats the socialist lunch in the debates. but that wont matter to the dumbasses that want beto in office
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Old 08-03-2018, 09:40 AM   #48
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They gonna let Deikman into the debtes? Probably not.

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Old 08-03-2018, 09:48 AM   #49
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True. I'm not sure I could forgive/forget my opponent attaching the word "lying" to my name whenever he mentioned me, (while giving no examples of lies) much less if he said my father was involved in a presidential assassination or publicly denigrated my wife's appearance. To his credit, Cruz has gotten on board with Trump's agenda in the areas he thinks it's best for the country..
Agreed. I think Ted realized Trump was just playing politics by a different set of rules than Republicans have been and decided to let it go on a personal level. The fact that he is able to set it aside and get on board with Trump's agendas he believes to benefit us says a lot about his character in my opinion.
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Old 08-03-2018, 10:29 AM   #50
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I actually supported Cruz. Part of the reason I dont likePresident Trump. While I didnt agree with EVERYTHING Cruz had to offer, I believed him to be a respectable person.
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