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Old 07-25-2018, 05:18 PM   #51
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Trump receives concessions from the EU on tariffs.


This will conveniently be overlooked by some


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Old 07-25-2018, 05:28 PM   #52
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This isnít true of my area. There may be some farms owned by corporations, but itís still just Joe Farmer growing cotton like his daddy and grand daddy did. Except joe went to college and got a Agra-biz degree and figured out he could protect his personal wealth and gain tax advantages by incorporating.

But most are still small family owned farms
Truck farmers are the only small farmers left in my home area of southeast Louisiana. Vegetables, fruits for the most part. The old plantations are definitely growing sugarcane & soybeans on massive scales......after they bought other plantations or got bought out by "other" entities! It is a beautiful operation though...Ö..incredible advancements.
A small farmer/rancher from what I remember is a producer of $250k or $300K per year...ÖÖ..in the world of farming today that is super small. I remember calling on "farms" in north central Iowa for Asgrow Seed Company that were $3-$5 million back in 1991.
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Old 07-25-2018, 05:44 PM   #53
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there is an old saying that goes something like this; 'don't go complaining about farmers with your mouth full'
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Old 07-25-2018, 05:52 PM   #54
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Trump receives concessions from the EU on tariffs.
Well, that didn't take long. The man knows how to do bidnez
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Old 07-25-2018, 06:12 PM   #55
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Trade wars are double-edged swords. It's just a big game of chicken, trying to see which nation's government is willing to harm its own citizens in order to punish another country the longest.
BS. They are a necessary evil at times. How long should we stay on the losing end? Until China totally owns us? Short term pain for long time gain.
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Old 07-25-2018, 06:15 PM   #56
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How much did Barry give Iran?? In the middle of the night..
The better question is. How much did Barry and the Clinton Foundation siphon off before Iran got it's hands on the money? Do you really think they sent all that money over there without someone getting a cut for doing the deal?
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Old 07-25-2018, 06:19 PM   #57
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BS. They are a necessary evil at times. How long should we stay on the losing end? Until China totally owns us? Short term pain for long time gain.
Hence my use of the term "double-edged sword".
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Old 07-25-2018, 06:25 PM   #58
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So the farmers in your family have never insured a crop? What on earth do they grow?
Insurance and subsidies are 2 completely different topics..

No they never set around in the local cafe, all do long, during farming season, after driving there in $70,000 trucks, only to brag about how they were screwing over the government subsidies system in the sum of $200,000-$300,000 a year of tax payer money for NOT farming...
I don't really blame them, I blame the system that allows for them to abuse it..
It's to easy.. All government handouts are to easily abused!!
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Old 07-25-2018, 06:29 PM   #59
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The better question is. How much did Barry and the Clinton Foundation siphon off before Iran got it's hands on the money? Do you really think they sent all that money over there without someone getting a cut for doing the deal?
Well that goes without saying...
I truly believed/thought that if Trump won the election that the Clintons and the Obamas would flee the country in the darkness of night for the fear of being prosecuted for the way they sold this country out.... I am highly dissapointed about this at the moment.. There is always tomorrow...
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Old 07-25-2018, 07:17 PM   #60
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Insurance and subsidies are 2 completely different topics..

No they never set around in the local cafe, all do long, during farming season, after driving there in $70,000 trucks, only to brag about how they were screwing over the government subsidies system in the sum of $200,000-$300,000 a year of tax payer money for NOT farming...
I don't really blame them, I blame the system that allows for them to abuse it..
It's to easy.. All government handouts are to easily abused!!
Ag insurance is a subsidy. Actually Obama Care looks conservative in comparison. You also didnít answer the question, what crop do they grow? If itís exportable they are benefiting from subsidized market rates.
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Old 07-25-2018, 08:07 PM   #61
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Ag insurance is a subsidy. Actually Obama Care looks conservative in comparison. You also didnít answer the question, what crop do they grow? If itís exportable they are benefiting from subsidized market rates.


So AG Insurance subsidies equate to 1/6 of the US economy?

President Obama has touted Affordable Care Act as a way to save money on health care costs. New projections from the Congressional Budget Office, however, anticipate that the federal government will need to spend more on Obamacare than previously thought.

The non-partisan office estimates that the program will cost the federal government $1.34 trillion over the next decade, an increase of $136 billion from the CBOís predictions in 2015. In 2016 alone, Obamacare will cost a total of $110 billion.

http://time.com/money/4271224/obamac...axpayers-2016/


While on the other hand

American farm subsidies are egregiously expensive, harvesting $20 billion a year from taxpayersí pockets. Most of the money goes to big, rich farmers producing staple commodities such as corn and soyabeans in states such as Iowa.

https://www.economist.com/united-sta...king-taxpayers



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Old 07-25-2018, 08:16 PM   #62
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Hence my use of the term "double-edged sword".
It is now. It was a single edged sword and we were the ones getting cut.
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Old 07-25-2018, 08:20 PM   #63
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So AG Insurance subsidies equate to 1/6 of the US economy?





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I meant how it is administered, not in its volume. AG insurance is 100% Socialist in that regard. Its coverage and rates are set by the govít and no matter what product you get itís provided by the same 6 or so companies.
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Old 07-25-2018, 10:25 PM   #64
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It is now. It was a single edged sword and we were the ones getting cut.
Yep exactly!
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Old 07-25-2018, 10:37 PM   #65
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It is now. It was a single edged sword and we were the ones getting cut.
At the same time, we were/are benefitting from them selling us their stuff cheap. Another 2-edged sword. It's great to have cheap goods to buy, and if some other government is willing to make sure their people are cheap labor for the rest of the world, let 'em. We can buy more stuff or buy the same and save more $. It's also good to have more stuff made in America and have more jobs. But then stuff costs more....

If governments would stay out of it and let the free markets take care of allocating resources and picking winners and losers, it would be better all the way around. Never gonna happen though. They can't not meddle.
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Old 07-26-2018, 08:08 AM   #66
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First of all the government got into the farmers business a long time ago.
The inheritance tax destroys more farms and ranches than anything else. I believe
Trump is doing the right thing for our country in the long run.
Its easy to do the easy thing and accept the status quo and kick the can down the road but it is much harder to do the right thing. Usually there is going to be some pain when you do the right thing.
The longer the can has been kicked down the road the more pain there is.

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Old 07-26-2018, 08:43 AM   #67
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The EU agreed yesterday to purchase more soybeans and liquefied natural gas from America after meeting with Trump. In turn Trump said he would renegotiate retaliatory tariffs on aluminium and steel with regards to the EU. Big Win!
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