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Old 07-21-2018, 12:16 PM   #1
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I'm currently shooting a samick sage with 50 lb limbs. Gold tip warrior with 4" feathers 30" long and a 175 grain tip. Arrows are kicking right about 1 1/2 thru paper. I've never had issues getting a carbon to for straight but having trouble with this. Trying to keep about 10 gpp. Any advice from some tuning experts appreciated. Also my draw is about 27.5".

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Old 07-21-2018, 12:19 PM   #2
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I'm currently shooting a samick sage with 50 lb limbs. Gold tip warrior with 4" feathers 30" long and a 175 grain tip. Arrows are kicking right about 1 1/2 thru paper. I've never had issues getting a carbon to for straight but having trouble with this. Trying to keep about 10 gpp. Any advice from some tuning experts appreciated. Also my draw is about 27.5".

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I've messed with knock point and brace height as well with no change to flight.

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Old 07-21-2018, 12:22 PM   #3
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I'm betting 200-250 grain tip is what I need but not sure the best way to get there with the factory inserts already glued. I prefer to keep shooting my Zwickey Delta's.

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Old 07-21-2018, 12:22 PM   #4
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In no expert but what spine are your arrows


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Old 07-21-2018, 12:41 PM   #5
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I goofed up. Said to build out the side plate, but if your arrows are too stiff, you need to go the other direction.

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Old 07-21-2018, 12:42 PM   #6
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Lol I left out the important stuff. 400 gold tip warrior 30" long 4" rw feathers. Shooting 175 grain tip with standard gt nocks and inserts.

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Old 07-21-2018, 12:44 PM   #7
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I goofed up. Said to build out the side plate, but if your arrows are too stiff, you need to go the other direction.
I even tried this too. I shoot off the shelf and only use moleskin for the rest and side plate.

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Old 07-21-2018, 12:44 PM   #8
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I would either drop to 500 spine or add 100 grains to the tip through insert or tip weight.


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Old 07-21-2018, 12:56 PM   #9
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I would either drop to 500 spine or add 100 grains to the tip through insert or tip weight.


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I was thinking about removing the factory broadhead taper adapters and replacing them with heavier. Not sure what the factory zwickey would weigh though.

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Old 07-21-2018, 01:04 PM   #10
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Probably 15-30g


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Old 07-21-2018, 01:06 PM   #11
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Standard Zwickey inserts are only 30-40 grains I think. Definitely can get 100 grain steel adapters. Check Braveheart Archery if 3Rivers doesn't have them.
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Old 07-21-2018, 01:52 PM   #12
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Get bras inserts for your arrows use a drill bit to nock out the old ones that way you don’t have to re spin check your heads or anything


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Old 07-21-2018, 05:20 PM   #13
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Yeah you need more up front weight.

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Old 07-21-2018, 05:40 PM   #14
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Currently shooting 175 grain. I'm thinking 250??? What y'all think?

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Old 07-21-2018, 07:11 PM   #15
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Your need at least 100 more maybe 150. I shoot 400 Spine with 50 grain inserts 32” on with 150grain heads on bows that are 50-55 pounds at 31”. You could shoot 600 spines with your 47@27 set up but 500 will work better if you want a 175 head. 400 spine at 30” would need at least 250-300 for me to get good flight.


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Old 07-21-2018, 07:35 PM   #16
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I'm thinking the 500 spine would be better. I can use weight tubes to bring the weight up. I wish they would get all the online calculators fixed for everyone. Seems like getting carbons to fly well is a Hassel. I've never really had problems with other setups as an example 29" 400 with 125 gr tip flew like a dart from a 53lb longbow

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Old 07-21-2018, 08:10 PM   #17
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That’s why I love wood arrows so much. No problems with weight and the spines are so much easier for me to figure. Length of carbon arrows play a way more important role than arrow tip weight. One inch of arrow is a huge difference for me on carbon whereas it’s not so noticeable for me on wood though I tend to have to shoot full length arrows of any type. A 500 spine gt traditional at 30” with a 50 grain insert and 150 tip will put you right at 10gpp


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Old 07-21-2018, 08:18 PM   #18
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I think you are too stiff also. You need longer shafts and more front end weight! I shoot 50@29.5”. I use .400 shafts, and have to leave them 31.5” long, and have 225gr up front (75gr brass insert + 150gr point/broadhead).

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Old 07-21-2018, 09:29 PM   #19
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I have a Sage 50# shooting 500 spine Gold Tip Hunters cut at 29 1/2" with 200 grains up front. I pull about 29". These arrows fly like darts. It's a Sage so I don't worry about total arrow weight. I also use a ten strand UltraCam string on it. It shoots hard and fast. If I ruin a limb it is no big deal. I can get new limbs for $50 or less.

I think that 200 to 225 grain tips might do the trick for you unless you have some 500 spine shafts to try.
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Old 07-21-2018, 09:32 PM   #20
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So y'all think a 30" 500 with standard inserts and 170 grain Zwickey get me where I need? I'm going to just order ready made GT warrior from Lancaster.

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Old 07-22-2018, 08:12 AM   #21
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That should be close.
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Old 07-22-2018, 10:32 AM   #22
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Thanks everyone for the help. Since I already have the arrows I think I'm going to try replacing the inserts with some 100 grain brass. This will give me 275 up front . Next steps will be 500 spine. Really appreciate everyone's input.

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Old 09-02-2018, 04:28 PM   #24
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Just a update that may help someone else. Shooting 30" gold tip warriors. 400 spine with acculite inserts. I went with 300 grain tips. They now fly like darts! Probably a little heavier than what I wanted at 610 grains but I think they'll do for this year. Next batch of arrows will be 500 spines

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Old 09-02-2018, 05:16 PM   #25
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I'm shooting a 52@28" Palmer recurve with a 15 strand fury string. I draw 27.5"
Easton axis arrows 400 spine arrows cut to 29.5"
75 grains brass inserts and 175 gr heads.

In my experience 400 spine arrows give you more flexibility in tuning than 500 spine arrows do. JMO


I will add that your Samick probably needs a weaker arrow than my Palmer does.
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