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Old 08-09-2017, 01:07 PM   #51
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little better look at his face last year in december. interesting that he got younger looking this year.
Revising my statement from yesterday... I'd say he's old enough! Probably right at 9 years and 124 days old
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Old 08-09-2017, 01:18 PM   #52
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The 4.5 guesses give me a good laugh especially after seeing his pics from last year showing him a grandpa
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In your first pics that lil sag under his chin made me kind of pause and think man he is old, but body looked 5.5
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Old 08-09-2017, 02:24 PM   #54
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I'd put one of your hunters on him that would be proud to shoot him. And I'll bet that is what you are thinking.
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I'd put one of your hunters on him that would be proud to shoot him. And I'll bet that is what you are thinking.
Yep. he is very killable. I have probably seen him over 100 times.
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Old 08-09-2017, 06:20 PM   #56
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I'm gonna say 5. As far as hit listing him, I'd be tempted to give him another year. Although I know that's a tough gamble.
But by all means, he's a shooter.

Welllll......... I have been giving him another year for six years. He is an old deer I named Hytop he never amounted to much. As a matter of fact, he has his best rack to date this year.. as a KNOWN 9 year old.

The last few years i have been posting known age deer that got younger as they quit the rut. This is another great example of that as he looks considerably younger this year. I posted an old deer named Curly last year that did the same. the crazy thing is that the vast majority of this site would not have put him or Curly on the hit list. Maybe I wouldnt have either if i didnt have history.

The more i run cameras and study these east tx deer, the less i know..
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http://discussions.texasbowhunter.co...ighlight=curly
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Old 08-09-2017, 07:08 PM   #58
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Exactly why I didn't stick my neck out! Another good one for the green screen. I love posts like this.

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I looked at his knees and thought they looked swollen. Early arthritis......
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I looked at his knees and thought they looked swollen. Early arthritis......
Here are his knees last year as an 8 yr old
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Old 08-10-2017, 08:40 PM   #61
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Haha I knew the second round of pics would be coming. Gotta watch the Gar.
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Haha I knew the second round of pics would be coming. Gotta watch the Gar.
Im not trying be tricky, just educational.. If i got this years pics with no history, i would be tempted to call him a four year old.
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The ancient old deer named Curly hasnt shown up yet this year. he was healthy in january so maybe hes still around.
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Im not trying be tricky, just educational.. If i got this years pics with no history, i would be tempted to call him a four year old.
Oh I know. We learn a lot from everything you post. Enjoy looking at all the threads. Thanks
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The 4.5 guesses give me a good laugh especially after seeing his pics from last year showing him a grandpa
They gave me a pretty good chuckle myself.
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Old 08-12-2017, 06:16 PM   #66
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Everyone knows a fella or two, that when they speak, you just shut up and listen. I'm fortunate. Know several people like this. On TBH, a garguy thread about ETX deer is treated the same. I sit on my hands, read and LEARN. there is a lesson coming, if it's not in the op, give it a few hrs, or even days, but the lesson is coming. I don't know Mr. Steve from Adam, and he may not know his rear from a hole in the ground when it comes to anything else in the world, but I'd sure love to spend an afternoon around a tailgate picking his brain on ETX deer and maybe even a little bowfishing.

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Old 08-12-2017, 08:32 PM   #67
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Everyone knows a fella or two, that when they speak, you just shut up and listen. I'm fortunate. Know several people like this. On TBH, a garguy thread about ETX deer is treated the same. I sit on my hands, read and LEARN. there is a lesson coming, if it's not in the op, give it a few hrs, or even days, but the lesson is coming. I don't know Mr. Steve from Adam, and he may not know his rear from a hole in the ground when it comes to anything else in the world, but I'd sure love to spend an afternoon around a tailgate picking his brain on ETX deer and maybe even a little bowfishing.

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LOL! You might have missed my last line in Post 56.

Seriously, the more history I gather the less Im sure of on old deer. I have always been of the opinion that 8yrs was pretty much the end for a buck here in east tx. Right now I have two that are 14 plus. At least i did a couple months ago. Havent had pics recently.

I once knew that a buck here had his frame established by 5. I have a cull 8pt that a kid missed year before last at five. Maybe a 110 inch 8pt. Last year at six, he blew up. He put on decent g4s for the first time in his life and went about 140. I put him off limits. This year he is BIG! Not likely to see how he looks next year. the fact is that I knew he was a junker at five and tried to get him killed.

I once thought the bucks I saw were very local. They may be missing for a few days but really regular. Now I realize through trail cams that those same deer go miles to another farm in another county and do it regularly.

I once thought that once a big buck went nocturnal, he would be almost impossible to kill. I have recently learned that the same deer can be pretty darn regular in broad daylight just inside the edge of his sanctuary. Some will just live in a dang corn pile if its located right yet never leave a picture at the feeder 50yds away.

i once thought that a large percentage of our bucks got killed in the DCNF every year. Totally wrong! Once they get 3 years old, they pretty much have the public hunters figured out. i get pics of the same deer, with some exceptions of course, year after year.

Anyway, what Im getting at is how dang little i actually know about these deer.
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Old 08-12-2017, 08:41 PM   #68
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LOL! You might have missed my last line in Post 56.

Seriously, the more history I gather the less Im sure of on old deer. I have always been of the opinion that 8yrs was pretty much the end for a buck here in east tx. Right now I have two that are 14 plus. At least i did a couple months ago. Havent had pics recently.

I once knew that a buck here had his frame established by 5. I have a cull 8pt that a kid missed year before last at five. Maybe a 110 inch 8pt. Last year at six, he blew up. He put on decent g4s for the first time in his life and went about 140. I put him off limits. This year he is BIG! Not likely to see how he looks next year. the fact is that I knew he was a junker at five and tried to get him killed.

I once thought the bucks I saw were very local. They may be missing for a few days but really regular. Now I realize through trail cams that those same deer go miles to another farm in another county and do it regularly.

I once thought that once a big buck went nocturnal, he would be almost impossible to kill. I have recently learned that the same deer can be pretty darn regular in broad daylight just inside the edge of his sanctuary. Some will just live in a dang corn pile if its located right yet never leave a picture at the feeder 50yds away.

i once thought that a large percentage of our bucks got killed in the DCNF every year. Totally wrong! Once they get 3 years old, they pretty much have the public hunters figured out. i get pics of the same deer, with some exceptions of course, year after year.

Anyway, what Im getting at is how dang little i actually know about these deer.
I know what you're saying. But your ability, willingness, and humility (may not be the exact word I'm looking for) to keep learning instead of thinking you know all, added to your willingness to share has taught me quite a bit. If nothing else, it's that I too, know very little.
Enough boosting your ego. post more pictures/stories and teach is something.

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Great thread!!

Yup...when it comes to gar fishin, ETX deer and arrowheads.. GarGuy has my full attention. Thanks for the lesson!!
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Old 08-13-2017, 12:36 AM   #70
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Old enough and definitely on the hit list.


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Old 08-13-2017, 12:58 AM   #71
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Old 08-16-2017, 12:19 AM   #72
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That area looks familiar .
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That area looks familiar .
LOL i bet the deer does too!
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Old 07-18-2018, 02:23 PM   #74
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We didnt shoot the deer(HyTop) in the op last year because a young giant showed up on the stand that i didnt want to risk educating. Anyway, here he this year at 10 solid years old. Still has a month plus of growing to do.
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Here is how he finished out last year and was his best horns to date. He should actually have his best rack ever this year at ten.
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Impressive to be able to keep tabs on an old warrior like that.
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Old 07-18-2018, 03:01 PM   #77
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Wait till the rutting neck and day light pic I bet he show his age again unless he 6.5 years or older from what I see they loose body fat and muscle (going down)
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Old 07-18-2018, 03:06 PM   #78
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Impressive to be able to keep tabs on an old warrior like that.
x2, let alone all the rest of his running buddies as well.
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Wait till the rutting neck and day light pic I bet he show his age again unless he 6.5 years or older from what I see they loose body fat and muscle (going down)
Turns out you are correct. Read through these threads, there is some neat info it the actual text of them.
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Old man ain't no punk... somehow I missed this thread... great educational post.

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These cameras sure have destroyed my confidence in the conventional wisdom. The only reason this deer lived past 6 was because he was just too close to call on AR width and I wouldnt risk letting a kid kill him and he not make it. He was a junker all the way.

Weird... hes not too bad this year at ten stinking years old. he has a bunch off junk off the back of his brows you cant see in that pic too.
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These cameras sure have destroyed my confidence in the conventional wisdom. The only reason this deer lived past 6 was because he was just too close to call on AR width and I wouldnt risk letting a kid kill him and he not make it. He was a junker all the way.

Weird... hes not too bad this year at ten stinking years old. he has a bunch off junk off the back of his brows you cant see in that pic too.
Unless you know a deer intimately, such as you do this one there is no way to tell the exact age on the hoof. All you can assume is they're either young, 3.5 and under.. Mature 4.5 to 6.5, or post mature.. 7.5 or older. AND sometimes even that gets sticky.

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Just for clarification....you talking about me or the deer? either way thanks!
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Just for clarification....you talking about me or the deer? either way thanks!
Lmao, buddy I was talking about the deer. He's a warrior making it 10 years in those east Texas Hallows.

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Thanks for bringing this back up with updates GG. So....will he make the list?
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Good thread.

I think as we continue to let bucks get older, we will all learn alot more about them.
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I thought I once read a photographic study (on TBH I thought) about deer antlers peaking and then waning as they get older. Was it just body size maybe? Can't find it.
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I thought I once read a photographic study (on TBH I thought) about deer antlers peaking and then waning as they get older. Was it just body size maybe? Can't find it.
While there is no doubt thats the case, there are a ton of variables and individual deer behave differently. I had another deer grow his first trophy class antlers at 10 last year.

You might also look at another thread i bumped. FULL GROWN EAST TX DEER.

I am beginning to think that East tx deer naturally live to be older on average than anywhere else in the state due to slower tooth wear than other places.
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Sure is hard to age them this time of year.
age em and add a year.

body on that bucks says five to me, but face angles say seven.
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His beams are getting long.
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I'd like to see some video of him waddling through the brush
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His beams are getting long.
That deer is over 13 wide. Is he on the hit list?
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Great thread, love the info.

Makes me think of all the leases holding people to age requirements to kill a mature buck. Without a pictorial history of each individual deer I wonder how many are misjudged as too young even though they are not.

After a kill, do you ever try to make jawbone aging match the known age ? And if so, Do they match up?

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He wont score much. he does have some kickers off his brows. Bases are really heavy but you are right, he doesnt carry mass very well. Score isnt a determining factor in whether i let someone kill him though. I have much higher scoring deer to hunt myself.
My reason for posting this is to get opinions on age and whether folks think he should be hitlisted if they got these pics on their place. aging deer this time of year is really hard for me. Lots of folks can do so with pretty good confidence. Not me..
I totally agree with you. It is very difficult this time of year. I would say 5 and yes I would have him as a shooter for free range.
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Great thread, love the info.

Makes me think of all the leases holding people to age requirements to kill a mature buck. Without a pictorial history of each individual deer I wonder how many are misjudged as too young even though they are not.

After a kill, do you ever try to make jawbone aging match the known age ? And if so, Do they match up?

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In virtually every case, the teeth age the deer 2-4 years too young on the old geezers. That said, after seven or so, its just anyones guess on tooth aging anyway..
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That deer is over 13 wide. Is he on the hit list?
Yes he is close to 17 inside this year. Maybe on the hit list although he wont be hunted until or if another target deer is killed from the spot..
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Old 08-03-2018, 08:29 PM   #98
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I would have called him 6 in the OP but I’ve seen too many of your threads and had an idea you knew all the answers to the questions you were asking. I love these threads and the wide range of answers. Thank you for posting
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great thread, thanks for sharing and educating!
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Old 08-06-2018, 03:38 PM   #100
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He's a lot older than we're giving him credit for. Look at all the war wounds he's got around his muzzle. He's gotta be pushing 6 1/2. B&W photos are crap for aging deer because they don't give you the benefit of the gray and black areas around his ocular sockets and other tell-tale places so they always look younger. He's def in his prime. WHACK HIM!!
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