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Old 07-29-2018, 11:53 AM   #1
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I screwed up and had a case head separation. It's stuck pretty good in my Savage bolt gun.

Anyone recommend an Austin area gunsmith that can fix this in relatively short order (like this week)?

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Old 07-29-2018, 12:01 PM   #2
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Tumbleweed in round rock can probably do it while you wait


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Old 07-29-2018, 12:30 PM   #3
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Take a tight fitting brass bore brush. You may need one in a handgun caliber. Push it in the cartridge case until you feel it hit the neck. Then pull back. It will usually come right out.
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Old 07-29-2018, 12:37 PM   #4
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Take a tight fitting brass bore brush. You may need one in a handgun caliber. Push it in the cartridge case until you feel it hit the neck. Then pull back. It will usually come right out.
Thanks for the recommendation.

Unfortunately I have tried several large brushes, with no luck.

It is stuck hard and may need to be extracted with a threaded tool or cerrosafe.


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Old 07-29-2018, 03:55 PM   #5
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Black Jack gun smith is pretty quick
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Old 07-30-2018, 08:22 AM   #6
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I have experience with 2 gunsmiths in Austin: McBride's, and Hank Flemming. McBride's is good, but pricey and a bit slow. Hank Flemming is good, and honest. As I recall, his prices were fair, and the time was reasonable:

http://www.hankgun.com/hg_spec_glockthumb.htm

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Old 07-30-2018, 01:34 PM   #7
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I screwed up and had a case head separation. It's stuck pretty good in my Savage bolt gun.

Anyone recommend an Austin area gunsmith that can fix this in relatively short order (like this week)?

Thanks!


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Old 07-30-2018, 02:33 PM   #8
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black jack will fix u up.
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Old 07-30-2018, 02:49 PM   #9
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Thanks everyone. I'll make some calls tomorrow.

All the shops appear to be closed on Mondays.
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Old 07-30-2018, 04:12 PM   #10
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Unfortunately Blackjack is currently running at 4 weeks turnaround.

Making more calls trying to find a 1 week option.
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Old 07-30-2018, 05:42 PM   #11
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pour a little thin oil down the bore,, get a wood dowel rod that will fit through the case mouth and tap it out
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Old 07-30-2018, 05:44 PM   #12
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Tim Smith in Gtown is going to take care of it. Thanks.

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Old 07-30-2018, 05:48 PM   #13
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pour a little thin oil down the bore,, like liquid wrench penetrating oil or pb blaster

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Old 08-03-2018, 09:29 PM   #14
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pour a little thin oil down the bore,, like liquid wrench penetrating oil or pb blaster
I wouldn't pour it down the bore but plug the bore and pour from chamber end to keep it from running into the action. Smith will have it out before you know it though--
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Old 08-04-2018, 07:54 PM   #15
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pour a little thin oil down the bore,, get a wood dowel rod that will fit through the case mouth and tap it out
Case head separation...nothing to bottom out on to tap out.
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Old 08-04-2018, 08:02 PM   #16
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Try shooting some compressed air in a can up the chamber before the brushes.. Cooling the brass will shrink it and maybe give you just enough free play to force it out
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Old 08-04-2018, 08:04 PM   #17
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Update:

The case did not come out with any of the standard extraction tools or methods. Looks like the barrel is going to have to be removed to get access to the case.

When I break something, I do not just do a half-assed job of it.
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Old 08-06-2018, 12:16 PM   #18
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Another update:

Mark Pharr at Tumbleweeds Custom Rifles had it out in a couple minutes.

Unfortunately, prior attempts at removal left a large burr inside the chamber. Note the spiral on the outside of the case. It will now need some lathe / polish work, but should be fixed in short order.



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Old 08-06-2018, 01:04 PM   #19
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How was he able to remove it?
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Old 08-06-2018, 01:23 PM   #20
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He removed the barrel and then had a tool that threaded into the case from the chamber end of the barrel. From inspecting the inside of the case, it only threaded into the case less than 1/4 inch or so. 1/8 of a turn, maybe, and the case released and he just spun it out.

As a computer geek I never took a shop class, but it resembled a tap from a die and tap set.

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Old 08-07-2018, 07:06 AM   #21
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He removed the barrel and then had a tool that threaded into the case from the chamber end of the barrel. From inspecting the inside of the case, it only threaded into the case less than 1/4 inch or so. 1/8 of a turn, maybe, and the case released and he just spun it out.

As a computer geek I never took a shop class, but it resembled a tap from a die and tap set.

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Like an EZ Out?
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Old 08-07-2018, 07:33 AM   #22
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Like an EZ Out?
I'd say yes. Some sort of a fine thread spiral bolt extractor.
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Old 08-07-2018, 10:35 AM   #23
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Man you’d be better off replacing the barrel. Idk what the work cost you but you can swap savage barrels yourself for cheap
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Old 08-07-2018, 10:52 AM   #24
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Man you’d be better off replacing the barrel. Idk what the work cost you but you can swap savage barrels yourself for cheap
this... or upgrade to a sporter heavy barrel for like 300$
i have the go and nogo gauges for my 300 Id let you use
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Old 08-07-2018, 11:00 AM   #25
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upgrade to a sporter heavy barrel for like 300$
It currently has the stainless 30" heavy magnum precision varmint barrel.

If I knew it was going to play out like this, I would have probably replaced it.

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Old 08-07-2018, 01:58 PM   #26
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Based on your pic above, the burr or gouge in the metal is likely where the case head meets the chamber. It should polish right out in the lathe. Worst case scenario you may have a tiny dimple from where the burr was polished or re-reamed.

Personally, I wouldn't worry about it since it's not in the neck, throat, bore or rifling areas.

If Mark's not comfortable with the burr, have him set the barrel back a few .001's then re-thread and chamber.

example of chamber cutaway

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Old 08-07-2018, 02:08 PM   #27
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Worst case scenario you may have a tiny dimple from where the burr was polished
I agree, at least that is the hope. I suspect I may have a small brass signature each time fired, as you pointed out, because the material came from somewhere. Since it is single feed, I guess I could rotate the orientation of my brass each time fired and use it to count my reloads per case. How about that for optimism?

We will test fire at the smith to ensure it is not excessive or binds the case causing an extraction issue.

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what cartridge ?
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Old 08-07-2018, 02:31 PM   #29
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.308 out of a Savage Model 12 f/tr.

Offending round was a Starline brass, 2nd time reloaded, 168gn hornady match, in front of 43.7gn of IMR4064. (Of which I have fired literally 1000s, without issue)

Case jammed, failed to eject, and then separated when being tapped out with a rod.

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Old 08-07-2018, 03:20 PM   #30
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I had one stuck and being that I own a shop building engines I removed bolt, had a rod in the case . Used a product called Minnesota fast freeze .

I sprays the case and it contracted so much it did not need any pressure it went loose on the spot . Easy enough to take in your bag when you shoot . I have had to use it a few times now . reloading and you stick a case works great for that as well .. Silly simple wear gloves though its extremely cold

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Old 08-07-2018, 07:47 PM   #31
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Mark/ Tumbleweeds does great work.
Hell of a nice guy. And a great long range shooter.


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Old 08-09-2018, 01:36 PM   #32
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Back in my possession is a freshly re-lathed, chamber polished, head spaced, test fired rifle.

I cannot say enough good things about the knowledge, honesty and quality of work that I got from Mr. Pharr. He will definitely get any future work from me.
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Back in my possession is a freshly re-lathed, chamber polished, head spaced, test fired rifle.

I cannot say enough good things about the knowledge, honesty and quality of work that I got from Mr. Pharr. He will definitely get any future work from me.
One of the best rifle silhouette shooters ever, and an even better person in real life

Mark builds some seriously accurate rifles
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I used Mark in the past, dang nice guy and I have referred several hunters to him for gun repairs. He does make some awesome rifles and has a extensive history in long range competition.
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Old 08-11-2018, 01:02 PM   #35
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Successful range session today.

Everything fired, everything extracted, and brass looked good.

Shot decent for having "Case head separation" in the corner of my mind.



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