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Old 07-30-2018, 10:41 AM   #51
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There's not a big city in the state that hasn't been ruined by liberals from somewhere outside Texas. It's not just Austin.
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Old 07-30-2018, 12:06 PM   #52
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They should move the capitol back to the Brazos, for this kind of buffoonery
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Old 07-30-2018, 01:01 PM   #53
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Changing history by denial or revision is somewhat scary. We should remember that in Orwell's 1984, the lead character's job was to rewrite history books to align with the latest status of the new regime. The problem with all of this denial is that the lessons of the past are forgotten. If nothing happened there is nothing to learn from.
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….. Sometimes it feels like y’all forget that this Awesome city is full of great people. Unfortunately 2 zip codes run the show. And the whole dang state sends there weirdos here to protest, make the news and then go home….
Unfortunately very true ....


Guess for me its little personal .. grew up here ... I remember having no lights on 183 between Burnet road and 620 .... only pasture land .. quite a while back. Austin area was a great place to grown up .. now not so much .. maybe I can't handle change ....
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Old 07-30-2018, 01:17 PM   #54
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Nothing against the people but definitely against most of there morals & values.

Get the message out "Don't mess with TEXAS".

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Old 07-30-2018, 01:40 PM   #55
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To clarify my earlier post, the traffic reference was simply to indicate how long i’ve Been here. It’s the culture change I don’t like. Austin has always been strange/wierd but the really outlandish stuff small. It was alway California or maybe New York. Whats going on now is down right scary. Understand it’s in all major cities but still.

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Old 07-30-2018, 02:30 PM   #56
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Gave up,just bought a house 40 miles west of here, they can have it. BYE could tell lots of stories about the demise, but they ain't politically correct.
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Old 07-30-2018, 03:00 PM   #57
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Well put, Stoof.

Have been here over 25 years, and things have definitely changed. I still argue against trying to re-write and revise history -- both here locally and throughout the nation. This is not strictly an Austin issue. Here's an idea: instead of being "politically correct", how about trying to just be "historically correct"?
I keep seeing how changing a name is somehow re-writing history.

How is that re-writing history? The history doesnt change based on the name.
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Old 07-30-2018, 03:04 PM   #58
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Did no one read the "social engineering" comment in the article?
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Old 07-30-2018, 03:14 PM   #59
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I keep seeing how changing a name is somehow re-writing history.

How is that re-writing history? The history doesnt change based on the name.
Austin was a good guy/hero that why we named the city after him. Now he is a bad guy /racist thats why we took changed the name. The mans historical image sure is being re-written.
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Old 07-30-2018, 03:23 PM   #60
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I keep seeing how changing a name is somehow re-writing history.

How is that re-writing history? The history doesnt change based on the name.
If you don't grasp "re-writing" try re-interpreting history. By saying the city should not be named for Stephen F. Austin, the basis for the move is because a person previously deemed a hero and worthy of being honored for founding the city now has been re-interpreted as a villain, unworthy of such an honor. Whether or not he may have owned slaves does not change the fact that the city named Austin would not be here without his efforts. To deny this much larger fact and instead vilify him over the slave issue qualifies as re-writing history.
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Old 07-30-2018, 03:38 PM   #61
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If you don't grasp "re-writing" try re-interpreting history. By saying the city should not be named for Stephen F. Austin, the basis for the move is because a person previously deemed a hero and worthy of being honored for founding the city now has been re-interpreted as a villain, unworthy of such an honor. Whether or not he may have owned slaves does not change the fact that the city named Austin would not be here without his efforts. To deny this much larger fact and instead vilify him over the slave issue qualifies as re-writing history.
It isn't a denial or re-writing at all. It is placing an emphasis on a ALL aspects of his life that were absolutely the truth as well.

It's the same as Christopher Columbus. For some reason his endeavors were always looked upon with rose colored glasses. Just passed off because we were told to do so.

Things have changed, Columbus still has his place in history. Austin will have the same. No different.
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Old 07-30-2018, 03:45 PM   #62
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^so where do you stop? Nobody is perfect, nobody.

Why not keep it the way it is, and teach why it was wrong?
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Old 07-30-2018, 03:45 PM   #63
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No. No. No.

You do not change the name for these liberal pansies. If y'all dont like it..leave.
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Old 07-30-2018, 03:59 PM   #64
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Fortunately the city council can't change the name of the city without a city wide vote. And I don't see the crazy libs winning that vote. There is a difference between crazy libs and normal libs in this town. I have some family members that have streets and county buildings named after them here in Austin, and the patriarch of the family surname came to Texas in 1855 because the state they left from outlawed slavery... They didn't make the list so I guess their research somewhat sucks...

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Old 07-30-2018, 04:02 PM   #65
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No. No. No.

You do not change the name for these liberal pansies. If y'all dont like it..leave.
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One can always hope ....
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Old 07-30-2018, 04:38 PM   #66
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Fortunately the city council can't change the name of the city without a city wide vote.
Yea, that was the same in Houston.

Until they changed the rules.

The final votes to formalize the name change are still coming up; the mayor and city council have also been rethinking the rules on how to change street names, which currently require a written OK from 75 percent of the property owners along a public street. Fewer than half of Dowling St.’s property owners initially signed on to the change.
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Old 07-30-2018, 05:21 PM   #67
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^so where do you stop? Nobody is perfect, nobody.

Why not keep it the way it is, and teach why it was wrong?
^This right here^
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Old 07-30-2018, 05:23 PM   #68
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There's not a big city in the state that hasn't been ruined by liberals from somewhere outside Texas. It's not just Austin.
TRUTH!!!!!
Houston and Harris county has a much BIGGER problem/issue than Austin. At least the people that are ruining Austin are from the United States...
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Old 07-30-2018, 05:33 PM   #69
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Just plain stupid
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Old 07-30-2018, 09:15 PM   #70
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Click bait.

Nobody is changing Austin to anything.


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Old 07-31-2018, 08:25 AM   #71
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^so where do you stop? Nobody is perfect, nobody.

Why not keep it the way it is, and teach why it was wrong?
I think the main issue is slavery. It's not really about being perfect.

I also think it's a double edged sword. I dont think changing the name is a big deal either way.

I think having a vote is the best way to go.

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Old 07-31-2018, 08:35 AM   #72
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Slavery is a part of our history. Get over it 19 year old white kids.

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Old 07-31-2018, 08:39 AM   #73
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Slavery is a part of our history. Get over it 19 year old white kids.

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Don't believe anyone is saying that it isnt.
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Old 07-31-2018, 09:10 AM   #74
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Click bait.

Nobody is changing Austin to anything.
Ten years ago I would’ve agreed with you ... not now.
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Old 07-31-2018, 09:11 AM   #75
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Slavery is absolutely a part of our history. It is a part of the worlds history. Pretty much every race has owned slaves, Native Americans, Asians, Africans, Muslims, The Moops, pretty much every race except the Irish.

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TRUTH!!!!!
Houston and Harris county has a much BIGGER problem/issue than Austin..
What do you mean, we just spent $1.2M to rename some of our poorly named schools, a few more million to rename some streets. The sad thing is that Houston is still at the forefront of modern day slavery, via prostitution and sex trafficking. But is Jolanda Jones concerned about them? No, we changed some offensive names instead.

Our Med Center is the largest medical complex in the world. We lead the world in space exploration. We dine out more than any other city. Houston in the most diverse city in the U.S. We have more parkland than anywhere else. But sadly we’re also No. 1 in something disgraceful that I didn’t know about. Houston is the main port of entry and the hub of human sex trafficking in the U.S.
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Old 07-31-2018, 09:12 AM   #76
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If cities do try renaming themselves, wonder if the legislature would step in?
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Old 07-31-2018, 09:20 AM   #77
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Slavery is absolutely a part of our history. It is a part of the worlds history. Pretty much every race has owned slaves, Native Americans, Asians, Africans, Muslims, The Moops, pretty much every race except the Irish.

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Every race, group, culture has also been slaves at one point or another.
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Old 07-31-2018, 09:31 AM   #78
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I think the main issue is slavery. It's not really about being perfect.

I also think it's a double edged sword. I dont think changing the name is a big deal either way.

I think having a vote is the best way to go.
Judging the values of people from our past using our current value system is a slippery slope and not very intelligent in my opinion. Things change and it is difficult to put yourself in their shoes with the information they had at that time in history. We can all say that we would have never done this or done that way back when. But it is really impossible to say that with certainty.

One day soon great great grandpa "Smith" will be branded a statutory rapist because he married great great grandma when she was 16 and he was 19. Another day not much further down the line, some "educator" will be teaching our descendants about how people used to be allowed to own weapons and would slaughter poor animals for sport. Some heathens also used to raise animals to kill and eat. Others would even ride on the backs of poor horses. All this while they are eating their lab grown tofu and scoffing at our current way of life
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Old 08-06-2018, 02:01 PM   #79
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The below thread sheads light on why renaming is even a topic for discussion .....

http://discussions.texasbowhunter.co...d.php?t=701033
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