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Old 11-16-2018, 10:19 AM   #51
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Depends how far you want to take down an animal, according to an elk guide I hunted with. He scoffed at my 7 mag and recommended either use a 300 RUM or a 338 RUM.
I ended up using his 338 RUM to take down a bull at 525 yds.
I now own a 300 RUM. My dad uses 300 WM. Neither of us have connected yet with animals (since we just recently got the rifles and havenít hunted enough yet), but Iím confident that theyíll both get the job done.
Iím a bit of a wimp, so I definitely recommend that you get a muzzle break and limbsaver pad. And wear hearing protection ; )
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Old 11-16-2018, 10:25 AM   #52
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Man I'm not really trying to argue with ya. I don't have anything against any calibers. There's always guys that have stated they have, or can kill anything with any caliber. I know an 85 year old man who has probably killed more deer than anyone on the green screen. His gun of choice is a .22 mag. I was just making a joke about the bandwagon of the 6.5 group. But you gotta admit, people are very defensive about that caliber.
Yes they are For one I do not get the man bun jokes though oxymoron but maybe I just really do not get it HA HA

To me its a balanced and blueprinted 308 . I build engines for a living so that is how I look at it myself . its a refined caliber

Looking back though we have soooo many choices today the entire WSM section the RUM selection the RUM SA selection, then we have all of the MAG calibers. then your STD calibers . an argument can be made for so many , if its recoil barrel life, bullet weight , cost of ammo belted or non belted etc etc etc .

One do all caliber well HA HA let the games begin . I have a love of math always have so the ballistic's are something I enjoy .

I use to reload but have zero time for it today .

A few pics of me shooting 878 on a steel plate pic is through spotting scope not the best set up but it works . Rig AR 10 308 178 Amax hand loads ringing steel all day was a very fun outting . In AZ its easy to go just about any where up north where I lived to shoot LR .


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Old 11-16-2018, 10:28 AM   #53
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Yes they are For one I do not get the man bun jokes though oxymoron but maybe I just really do not get it HA HA

To me its a balanced and blueprinted 308 . I build engines for a living so that is how I look at it myself . its a refined caliber

Looking back though we have soooo many choices today the entire WSM section the RUM selection the RUM SA selection, then we have all of the MAG calibers. then your STD calibers . an argument can be made for so many , if its recoil barrel life, bullet weight , cost of ammo belted or non belted etc etc etc .

One do all caliber well HA HA let the games begin . I have a love of math always have so the ballistic's are something I enjoy .

I use to reload but have zero time for it today .

A few pics of me shooting 878 on a steel plate pic is through spotting scope not the best set up but it works . Rig AR 10 308 178 Amax hand loads ringing steel all day was a very fun outting . In AZ its easy to go just about any where up north where I lived to shoot LR .


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That's a shot for sure.
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Old 11-16-2018, 10:49 AM   #54
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If some need it to be about mathematics, the best Creedmoor won't ever measure up to the 7Mag. That's even while limiting the 7Mag to only 162gr. All the while, the bullet drop is also less.
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Old 11-16-2018, 11:13 AM   #55
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Yes and a 7 mag vs a 7 RUM lets you add another 300+ to still be above the 1000 energy level over the 7 Mag with mild loads I know guys that have loaded the 7 RUM to the ragged edge vs the 7 mag loaded the same way and getting over 3100 on a 180 pill .

I own a 7 mag I do not own a 7 RUM however I would buy one if the deal was right .

You could throw the 7MM STW into the mix another rifle I do not own that seemed to be a passing round you do not hear much about it today


SOme one made a 7mm -300 RUM as a wildcat years back it was CRAZY fast

lets not forget the 408 tac round I mean it really never ends . Right down to my buddy that hunts with a 50 BMG yes massive know down at 1500 with easy . He has a You tube video of dumping a elk at 1380 on the spot . At what point is enough ?? A guy I would see time to time at the matches shot a 20MM gun 1500 grn bullet effective range ha ha well lets say way further than most will every shoot 3 mile range HA HA .

AZ is full of gun nuts and mean some are very nutty . Hunting with such a gun people say cannot be done well you dont have to move much find a very high shooting spot the best glass and wait .
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Old 11-16-2018, 01:54 PM   #56
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Thanks for all the knowledge everybody
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Old 11-17-2018, 08:22 PM   #57
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300WM for everything. Overkill on the low end and good for larger game. 300 RUM is some stout recoil. 6.5 is the current fad round and would be a little light for larger game IMO.
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Old 11-17-2018, 08:36 PM   #58
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Old 11-18-2018, 10:41 AM   #59
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If I were to pick from that list, I would get 6.5 Creedmoor and the 300 RUM. You would have most everything covered with those two. For the range of game you are talking about, I would not pick just one of those calibers, but it could be done, with any of the three.
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Old 11-18-2018, 07:29 PM   #60
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Most certainly between the RUM and Creedmoor. The 6.5 has proven to be one of the best and common choices amongst long range shooters. It would do everything in North America outside of brown and grizzly bears. Moose is most certainly questionable. Barrel life on the 6.5 is much better, along with recoil friendly. The RUM is a beast in a bench and it almost forces you into a heavy platform rifle. The 6.5 out of the choices given would most certainly be my choice, but not my overall choice considering all calibers.
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Old 11-19-2018, 03:03 PM   #61
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I'd get a 6.5-- it'll do more than you need it to. That is, it'll take 1,000 ft-lbs. past 800 yards with about half the recoil energy of a .300 WM.
Shoulder cannons are overrated. If they're so great why is the used gun rack at Cabela's full of them?
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Old 11-19-2018, 07:56 PM   #62
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6 5mm fever is just a passing fad that started in 1894 in Scandinavia. It should die out any second now!!!
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Old 11-19-2018, 09:14 PM   #63
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Oh yeah! What was I thinking?

Itís not like theyíve been killing moose with a 6.5mm for decades or anything.


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Incorrect sir, I know of many that have been hammering Moose with a 264 WM for years which is the Grandfather of the 6.5.! CM is nothing new just the latest fad for sales
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Old 11-19-2018, 09:17 PM   #64
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Incorrect sir, I know of many that have been hammering Moose with a 264 WM for years which is the Grandfather of the 6.5.! CM is nothing new just the latest fad for sales


You definitely missed the sarcasm.

Iím well versed and a big fan of all things 6.5mm.

Well except the Creedmoor.


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You definitely missed the sarcasm.

Iím well versed and a big fan of all things 6.5mm.

Well except the Creedmoor.


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The only thing I see is grown men talking about less recoil with 6.5 for the 2 shots a year they take. I guess man cards are in short supply these days! The round is just a run of the mill deer gun when it comes to ballistics. Just the ďhotĒ item right now.

To the OP 300 Win is the best choice of those three for the game listed.


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WOW! Information over load.
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The only thing I see is grown men talking about less recoil with 6.5 for the 2 shots a year they take. I guess man cards are in short supply these days! The round is just a run of the mill deer gun when it comes to ballistics. Just the ďhotĒ item right now.

To the OP 300 Win is the best choice of those three for the game listed.


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2 shots? For me, itís hundreds of shots (if not more). Set up at 1,000 and shoot 40 rounds with a RUM and then slide on over to the smart mat and watch me ring steel at 800. If Iím going to shoot at an animal, Iím for sure putting the range time in. You are correct there is always a hot item and a new approach in driving ammo and rifle sales. However, the necked down magnum approach with very little seated bullet allows for tons of powder capacity all while creating a more stable bullet as it leaves the case. Low drag and long bullets are resulting in better long range accuracy. Again, the average joe deer hunter doesnít really use the difference. For a sheep/mountain long range hunting rifle it does.
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The only thing I see is grown men talking about less recoil with 6.5 for the 2 shots a year they take. I guess man cards are in short supply these days! The round is just a run of the mill deer gun when it comes to ballistics. Just the ďhotĒ item right now.

To the OP 300 Win is the best choice of those three for the game listed.


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Old 11-20-2018, 09:06 AM   #71
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LOl people get real butt hurt about the whole 6.5 deal. First, I never said a 6.5 wouldn't kill anything (I've owned one and killed plenty with it). Second it was more of a joke than anything. But it's no doubt a fad and it's kinda funny.
i disagree. the WSMs were a fad. with the advancements in bullets and of our better understanding, 6.5CM is here to stay.
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The only thing I see is grown men talking about less recoil with 6.5 for the 2 shots a year they take. I guess man cards are in short supply these days! The round is just a run of the mill deer gun when it comes to ballistics. Just the ďhotĒ item right now.

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do you not go to the range to practice?
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Are you referring to the .308 comment or my comment in general as I don't post much anymore?
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Are you referring to the .308 comment or my comment in general as I don't post much anymore?
Yes!!
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And how did I know that would be your reply? lol


As far as the .308, I threw that in the mix just to ruffle some feathers but to also make a point. What's one of the calibers that a "new" calibers are always compared against when discussing ballistics? The .308 Hard to overlook a tried and true round. The threads of the "best" all around cartridge always make me snicker... There isn't a "best" round, only a "best" shot. It's ALL about shot placement. Every round has it's pros and cons. This is a bow hunting site (for the most part), right? How many of the large game that people reference in the "best" cartridge threads have been killed with a sharp pointy stick? Every one of them! When I see "best", whether it's a cartridge, broadhead, arrow, bow, etc., all I see is "what will make up for a poor shot placement"? Know your equipment, know yourself and know your limitations, that's "best" IMO


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And how did I know that would be your reply? lol


As far as the .308, I threw that in the mix just to ruffle some feathers but to also make a point. What's one of the calibers that a "new" calibers are always compared against when discussing ballistics? The .308 Hard to overlook a tried and true round. The threads of the "best" all around cartridge always make me snicker... There isn't a "best" round, only a "best" shot. It's ALL about shot placement. Every round has it's pros and cons. This is a bow hunting site (for the most part), right? How many of the large game that people reference in the "best" cartridge threads have been killed with a sharp pointy stick? Every one of them! When I see "best", whether it's a cartridge, broadhead, arrow, bow, etc., all I see is "what will make up for a poor shot placement"? Know your equipment, know yourself and know your limitations, that's "best" IMO


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Oh I agree. My caliber choice is usually based on non hunting scenarios. I only get picky on tough animals at distance. The 308 or even a 243 is fine for 99% of guys only shooting 100-200 yards.

Hope youíre doing good as well!!
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I guess man cards are in short supply these days!
Not everyone is a big and tough a man as you are. Heck, you probably got a whole deck of man cards.
What they may be, however, is responsible and intelligent, and if they're going to take long (500 yards or more) shots on game animals, they probably will have practiced quite a bit to be confident they can make that shot.
The twice-a-year shot you can make every time... the 100 yarder from a stable rest out of your La-Z-Boy in a heated blind with a Yeti of steaming coffee in the cup holder next to you... that shot you don't need a .300 WM for. For that shot a .300 WM is equivalent to a 12" lift and 42" tires on your F350 with a 10" stack sticking 6' out of the bed. Peeny weenie stuff... not man card stuff.
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lol... I wish but I don't think so. I'd guess the majority of posters every day don't bow hunt and certainly if you look at the proportion of threads you'd be hard pressed to call this a bow hunting forum anymore.
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lol... I wish but I don't think so. I'd guess the majority of posters every day don't bow hunt and certainly if you look at the proportion of threads you'd be hard pressed to call this a bow hunting forum anymore.
i agree with that. don't know if the general poster is aging and now getting back into guns or what. but, certainly it is less bowhunting focused than it used to be.
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2 shots? For me, itís hundreds of shots (if not more). Set up at 1,000 and shoot 40 rounds with a RUM and then slide on over to the smart mat and watch me ring steel at 800. If Iím going to shoot at an animal, Iím for sure putting the range time in. You are correct there is always a hot item and a new approach in driving ammo and rifle sales. However, the necked down magnum approach with very little seated bullet allows for tons of powder capacity all while creating a more stable bullet as it leaves the case. Low drag and long bullets are resulting in better long range accuracy. Again, the average joe deer hunter doesnít really use the difference. For a sheep/mountain long range hunting rifle it does.


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i disagree. the WSMs were a fad. with the advancements in bullets and of our better understanding, 6.5CM is here to stay.
When was WSM'S a fad? Not sure of a lot of dudes running around with a 7mm wsm or .270 wsm?


I think this whole thread got out of focus. His original question was which caliber would be suited best for deer and elk in the future. A 6.5 creedmoor is not an elk gun.


I agree that this form has shifted focus from bow hunting to guns, but people have strong opinions about both on here.

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Ohhh let me clarify. Sniper is assuming I can shoot, Iím just stating while trying to shoot I like to subject myself to less recoil.
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A 6.5 creedmoor is not an elk gun.
It is if you kill an elk with it, which it is perfectly capable of doing.
I hunted in Chama this September and all of the guides had taken elk with .243s. I guess that's not an elk gun either.
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Old 11-21-2018, 11:15 AM   #85
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We need to talk our brethren out of this "one gun to do it all" nonsense. 6.5 Creed and 300 WM are a perfect combination, because you could just about always make a case that one is better than the other for a given task. A big muley or axis are right on the dividing line, but only because either is an excellent choice for them.

Add a 5.56 AR, and you'd have three guns that really could excel at *everything*. And to me that's much more interesting than The One Gun compromise.
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