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Old 10-21-2018, 01:49 PM   #701
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Old 10-21-2018, 01:50 PM   #702
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Speaking of being banned .... I just hate that one of our top defenders will be banned from playing the first half against Alabama due to a completely bogus "targeting" call. As if Bama needs first-half help. Not.

I'm sure that Coach O will turn the situation into a motivational-chip-on-the-shoulder positive to win one for the Gipper. I'm not necessarily saying the fix is in for Bama, but if I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd be looking around for the Terlingua shovel.
The targeting call needs to be fixed. I would not be shocked to see the SEC change how they call that penalty internally. Holding and pass interference are subjective calls that are called differently in different conferences and I can see targeting going the same way.
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Old 10-21-2018, 01:51 PM   #703
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The targeting call needs to be fixed. I would not be shocked to see the SEC change how they call that penalty internally. Holding and pass interference are subjective calls that are called differently in different conferences and I can see targeting going the same way.
We’ve got one sitting the first half for MSU this coming week also.....not to mention, The Ags are the most “targeting” penalized team in the country.
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We’ve got one sitting the first half for MSU this coming week also.....not to mention, The Ags are the most “targeting” penalized team in the country.
I'm not a fan of the rule, but Wilson's was legit (as was his previous one.) Renfro's was somewhat debatable, but hard to argue. I've only seen White's play on twitter via phone, but it looked like a cheap call, at best.

I wouldn't ordinarily care about LSU being "victimized" by such a call, but I REALLY want them to beat Bama. I've been leaning toward picking them in PickEm, but what little chance they may have had is definitely hampered by the loss of White for the half.
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I'm not a fan of the rule, but Wilson's was legit (as was his previous one.) Renfro's was somewhat debatable, but hard to argue. I've only seen White's play on twitter via phone, but it looked like a cheap call, at best.

I wouldn't ordinarily care about LSU being "victimized" by such a call, but I REALLY want them to beat Bama. I've been leaning toward picking them in PickEm, but what little chance they may have had is definitely hampered by the loss of White for the half.


I’m rooting for LSU too. I just don’t think Burrow can do enough at QB to score.


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Old 10-21-2018, 02:24 PM   #707
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I’m rooting for LSU too. I just don’t think Burrow can do enough at QB to score.


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Old 10-21-2018, 02:25 PM   #708
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The targeting call needs to be fixed. I would not be shocked to see the SEC change how they call that penalty internally. Holding and pass interference are subjective calls that are called differently in different conferences and I can see targeting going the same way.
Its the accidental/incidental contact that bothers me. In some cases their expecting big fast athletes to pull of a ballerina move in a split second to avoid contact.

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Old 10-21-2018, 02:30 PM   #709
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I like the idea of Targeting 1 and a Targeting 2 like the NBA has for flagrant fouls. Color guy mentioned it yesterday.

Targeting 1 . Accidental ...5-10 yards... no suspension

Targeting 2 ... intent. Not accidental. 15 yards and 1/2 game suspension like it is now.
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Old 10-21-2018, 02:36 PM   #710
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I like the idea of Targeting 1 and a Targeting 2 like the NBA has for flagrant fouls. Color guy mentioned it yesterday.

Targeting 1 . Accidental ...5-10 yards... no suspension

Targeting 2 ... intent. Not accidental. 15 yards and 1/2 game suspension like it is now.
They can already call Unnecessary roughness, roughing the passer, etc. for 15 with no suspension or "targeting" for penalty/suspension.

I believe I read they called it because the official deemed that he "launched", which I didn't see from the angle I viewed.
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Old 10-21-2018, 02:36 PM   #711
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I like the idea of Targeting 1 and a Targeting 2 like the NBA has for flagrant fouls. Color guy mentioned it yesterday.

Targeting 1 . Accidental ...5-10 yards... no suspension

Targeting 2 ... intent. Not accidental. 15 yards and 1/2 game suspension like it is now.
This would be better than what they currently have.
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Old 10-21-2018, 02:39 PM   #712
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No one is beating Bama. The only real contest is who gets to play them and get whipped in front of the Nation and claim the number 2 spot.

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Old 10-21-2018, 02:42 PM   #713
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targeting is bogus all together. you cant judge a mans intentions, and to penalize an extra game is loony tunes. call a 15 yard personal foul and move on. no review garbage, no ejections, march it off and get the zebras out of the picture.
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Old 10-21-2018, 02:52 PM   #714
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It appears there was no major losses taken on the bye. On to the next!


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Old 10-21-2018, 02:57 PM   #715
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I'm not a fan of the rule, but Wilson's was legit (as was his previous one.) Renfro's was somewhat debatable, but hard to argue. I've only seen White's play on twitter via phone, but it looked like a cheap call, at best.

I wouldn't ordinarily care about LSU being "victimized" by such a call, but I REALLY want them to beat Bama. I've been leaning toward picking them in PickEm, but what little chance they may have had is definitely hampered by the loss of White for the half.
I’m with ya, I want Bama to lose, twice.
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The "launch" aspect of the LSU play is immaterial without the helmet contact, which clearly didn't happen. There can be no targeting without the helmet contact. White led with his hands.

Try this analogy: Bullet versus blank. Both have exploding powder; one doesn't hit anything.
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Old 10-21-2018, 03:24 PM   #717
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From an article last December regarding targeting:

“The AFCA's Berry said coaches are frustrated that players are ejected for targeting on plays in which they couldn't avoid the type of contact that got him flagged. An example, he said, is when a receiver jumps for a ball. As he comes down, he tends to curl up, and the defender can't get his head out of the way in that "bang-bang moment."

Redding said targeting wouldn't be called if the defender's contact was not forcible. Removing the ejection from the type of play Berry described was discussed, and dismissed, by the rules committee last year.

"The football committee and officiating community cannot be seen backing away from this rule," Redding said. "The game is still under attack. The rule has worked very well. The optics of backing away from this rule would be really terrible, so the committee is not in a mood to do that at all."”

So, they discussed it, but dismissed it. It won’t be long until they completely ruin the game.
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This is funny......

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Old 10-21-2018, 04:01 PM   #719
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Well I guess this means I need to stop herding RLB, CoolHandLuke, ETM and Brock..


And 243WSSM back when TCU was winning..
Thats a shame. It's so much fun to post something totally off the wall and see which one takes the bait first and if he got hooked in the lip or swalliwed the hook. I guess I'll just watch for a while.
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Old 10-21-2018, 04:37 PM   #720
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We’ve got one sitting the first half for MSU this coming week also.....not to mention, The Ags are the most “targeting” penalized team in the country.

How many have they had now? I was thinking a couple of weeks ago when y’all were saying that someone got flagged that the ags seemed to have a bunch of them.
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The "launch" aspect of the LSU play is immaterial without the helmet contact, which clearly didn't happen. There can be no targeting without the helmet contact. White led with his hands.



Try this analogy: Bullet versus blank. Both have exploding powder; one doesn't hit anything.

You know the word launch is one of the qualifiers for the penalty. It’s in the rule.
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The targeting call needs to be fixed. I would not be shocked to see the SEC change how they call that penalty internally. Holding and pass interference are subjective calls that are called differently in different conferences and I can see targeting going the same way.

The sec doesn’t get to do that. The NCAA tells them how to call that penalty.

What’s bad is instanced like in the Tech-KU game. Guy is making a play on a taller wr who ducks his head. DB gone.
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This is not the way it reads. It doesn't require helmet contact.

No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See Note 2 below) with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul (Rules 2-27-14 and 9-6). (A.R. 9-1-4-I-VI)
Note 1: "Targeting" means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball. Some indicators of targeting include but are not limited to:

Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area

A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground

Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area

Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet
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Then why wasn’t the Bama player ejected for the hit on the Tennessee qb?
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Then why wasn’t the Bama player ejected for the hit on the Tennessee qb?
Are you kidding? Rules don’t apply to Nick Saban teams.
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Are you kidding? Rules don’t apply to Nick Saban teams.


No kidding. What about that nonsense a couple of weeks ago with usc and washington state?
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Wow
Kinda what I was thinking.....
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Eradicator, how is that kids hand? I can imagine what would have peeled several layers of hide off his thumb on the sideline.
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Purdue just scored again.

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The sec doesn’t get to do that. The NCAA tells them how to call that penalty.
The NCAA tell everyone how to call all penalties but you and I both know that they get called differently in each conference. Holding in the SEC is different than holding in the Big 12.
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Eradicator, how is that kids hand? I can imagine what would have peeled several layers of hide off his thumb on the sideline.
Haven't heard much honestly. Thanks for asking. It was a gutsy performance but I still think Robinson is the guy of the future. GP was fairly testy in post game presser He refused to address the QB situation........I guess we will know next week. Of note, GP has been calling for Collins to play for the last 3 weeks and Cumbie finally put him in this week. Now they are both hurt, lol
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The NCAA tell everyone how to call all penalties but you and I both know that they get called differently in each conference. Holding in the SEC is different than holding in the Big 12.


Player safety penalties don’t seem to get much leeway between conferences.
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Player safety penalties don’t seem to get much leeway between conferences.
Are they really helping though?
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Then why wasn’t the Bama player ejected for the hit on the Tennessee qb?
My best guess is that when they reviewed it and did not confirm targeting it was going to be tough to eject him.
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Old 10-21-2018, 07:24 PM   #734
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Texas gets the ever so slight prime time Road game odds at -2.5.

Both teams will have had two weeks to prep.

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Are they really helping though?


In theory they probably are. At least as far as the ever popular head injury topic goes. We won’t know for years.
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Maybe the TBH CFP committee can provide able assistance to the TBH Targeting Intent committee on this one. If a rewrite of the rules before 11/3 is needed that's the group to get it done.

In the meantime, the avatar window is open for new participants.
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Maybe the TBH CFP committee can provide able assistance to the TBH Targeting Intent committee on this one. If a rewrite of the rules before 11/3 is needed that's the group to get it done.



In the meantime, the avatar window is open for new participants.


. It’s Saban’s world, we’re just living in it. There may be one horn on here that thinks they can beat Bama. Y’all know who he is and y’all know he is wrong. Just give it to them already!


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Old 10-22-2018, 06:32 AM   #738
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. It’s Saban’s world, we’re just living in it. There may be one horn on here that thinks they can beat Bama. Y’all know who he is and y’all know he is wrong. Just give it to them already!


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One game at a time.

BAMA looked pretty good but still allowed 235 yds through the air and had to punt twice with a new starting punter. For the second game in a row Tua played well but was not at the top of his game.
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