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Old 06-27-2018, 12:42 PM   #1
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Default What do yall think about American made (LOL!) Harley Davidson?

So the harley's I've owned all had parts made in other countries and when I questioned the dealership on my last one a 1974 Super Glide about why my forks had Japenese or Chinese (I can't read either) stamped inside where you had to take em apart to find this. He kinda mumbled that they are 100% ASSEMBLED in USA (remember there is a city in China named USA). Anyway now they're claiming that Trumps tariffs are causing them to move out of the country for everything - yet this move was slated before any of this?!?! Enlighten me please
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Old 06-27-2018, 02:20 PM   #2
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That's an easy one.

Harley has not been doing good for a while. Been going down the tube for years. Now, with all the bash Trump media, they jumped on the chance to blame everything on Trumps policies. They found their scapegoat.


And "assembled" in the USA just means all parts are made elsewhere. Someone hear just snaps them together.
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Really disappointed, but nothing surprises me anymore.
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The publicity on this will not be good for them.
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Harley has been using Showa front forks since the 1970's. Showa is owned by Honda. I still like my HondaDavidson
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I heard that they researched where most of Trump's companies manufacture their goods. They figured it it was good enough for him....
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Harley has been using Showa front forks since the 1970's. Showa is owned by Honda. I still like my HondaDavidson
Now that's funny!!!!LOL!

My wife's car is a SAAB and it clearly says 89% German made and 11% Sweden. Surely we could benefit from such requirements. Like in the knife world Gerber tries to say everything is made in Portland Or. but after they lost $2.5 million in a law suit for faulty axe handles and several suits for their Bear Gryllis line snapping off at the base of the tang, I saw all kinds of bashing including a Chinese mfg. rep who posted that you get what you pay for and Gerber wanted bottom of the line for cost savings and that's what they got - maybe worth $12 each for an axe!! Here's the way Boker is played because the regulations there. Here companies are required to mark each blade with the country of origin - that is unless they are shipped in cases of them - then they only require one label stating such is in each case?!?!? This is known as product differentiation and Boker plays it well and I would imagine it's because they are forced to by regulations

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Does this mean we can expect the rice burner and Euro tariff's that were put in place to save HD in the first place?

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Found this on Harley's from throttleX
Harley contracts manufacturing of parts to plants located all over the world, including Germany, Italy, Taiwan, Japan, and Mexico. Those parts are then shipped to Harley factories here. And these are not just accessories, but components for engines, chassis, and wheels. Exactly what percentage of a Harley-Davidson motorcycle is American made, is not exactly known, as each model and model year is different.
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Does this mean we can expect the rice burner and Euro tariff's that were put in place to save HD in the first place?
I had a riding buddy that had an AMF Harley - he said it stood for adios Mo Fo!!

I think the tariffs are the reason HD is backpeddling - they already had a plan to move everything out and then Trump put some rotten eggs in their basket - I also think that HD thinks coastal elites are their main buyers which is kinda sad since Everyone I know that rides is a hard working conservative!

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Harley has been using Showa front forks since the 1970's. Showa is owned by Honda. I still like my HondaDavidson
FYI I still love HD heck my Dad had an Indian Scout way back in the day and I'm not sure but would bet they outsource too - I don't hate Gerber either - their American made line is good stuff for factory. But being a handmade maker who discloses point of origin on EVERYTHING I don't make myself (or dig up LOL) I find it really discouraging and very disrespectful to true artisans when factories muddy the water - you know many Euro companies still do well with transparency I just wonder why the Greatest Country in the World can't have it?

I still have a lazer cut aluminum HD emblem on my living room wall and still have pics of my Bikes adorning the walls - even my one bike with a jammer fender and a king and queen seat!
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I used to make some of the wire harness / switch assemblies for HD when I worked in Mexico. Having foreign content & assembled in the US is basically the norm for mfg these days. I'll ask Beamer when I see him again, but I think 51% of the total cost of parts have to be supplied from US mfg's to qualify the Made in the USA Flag on consumer / appliance / white goods, etc. Not sure if it's the same for the auto industry.

I heard a report today that they already had plans to move some production overseas...if this is factual, then it was a brilliant ploy to blame the move on tariffs & not get consumers and mostly HD workers who could possible get laid off in a huff??



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Yeah man transparency that's all I'm talking about!! You know the truth will set you free!!!

Sure won't make everybody wonder what % is BS !!!
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GM (cheby) and Harley both use Mercury Marine for their aluminum engine castings particularly the heads. Now I know that Mercury and Tohatsu are or were in bed together on outboard engines up to a certain size. It's a tangled web of deceit out there. I would imagine most of Mercury marine aluminum castings are not done in USA.
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My Dad bought a Pontoon boat from a neighbor since they won't F You LOL! I mean my Mom actually cooked for them when his wife was in the hospital EVERYDAY!!!!! Turns out the local marine pro said he already told the guy it couldn't be fixed as it was a Johnson / Suzuki and since Johnsonm didn't want to acknowledge that they used Suzuki engines that it was impossible to get the software to read the engine?!?! So we then turned to the Suzuki repair shop in Longview who said no prob if it's Suzuki I can fix it! Showed him the big S stamp on the motor and he said we're good to go! Went to pick it up and paid hundreds of dollars and when I asked what the computer said he told me - didn't have to use it that he was able to fix it the old fashioned way - got it home and found out we wasted $100 with the first mechanic and another $400 with the Suzuki "SPECIALIST" Had a long winded conversation with Johnson who finally admitted they filed Bankruptcy and used Suzuki engines and the software might be available for $300 but only to a certified Johnson mechanic. So basically my Pop spent his golden years w/o a boat as my Mom was so fed up she just said no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SMDH
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I went to buy a part at ABC for my GMC and they wanted a LOT more than a competitor - so I says wow why so much more? They said they use parts made in Mexico!?!?! I told them EVERY part on my truck says hecho in Mexico! LOL!!!

BTW when he opened the box up to show me it said ...wait for it...hecho in Mexico!!!
AAAAAGGGGHHH!!!!

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Sorry if this went into left field but these are all examples of how muddy water in the American bus. sector have effected my life, and I've got a couple of hundred others bouncing around in my bean. Wouldn't we all benefit in the long run by being a little more transparent. And wouldn't companies strive to use better products/methods of manufacture? And wouldn't the consumer have more confidence in what they purchase?
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Chop.. are you drinking more lately? You have gotten angrier and angrier in all your recent posts, and according to the Oklahoma thread.. drunks are angry and pot heads are hungry and giggly.
Perhaps weed could help?
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Chop.. are you drinking more lately? You have gotten angrier and angrier in all your recent posts, and according to the Oklahoma thread.. drunks are angry and pot heads are hungry and giggly.
Perhaps weed could help?
I was wondering if something significant may have happened in his life. I enjoy reading his opinions and having discussions. But has anyone else noticed that Chop's "political" posts have increased by 1,200% in the last few weeks/months? Not bashing, just an observance.
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Old 06-28-2018, 09:43 AM   #20
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I'm shocked and dismayed at the goings on in this great country. I held my mouth for over 9 yrs. out of respect for my fellow countrymen - I'm no longer asleep and many years of pent up frustrations means I have a LOT to say. More people need to wake up and take the Red pill - the blue pill is no longer effective. Here's one of the reasons

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I'm teaching my Son's the art of the knife and eventhough they BOTH received the Duke award they have no desire to attend college as it has become a haven for socialism. I'm afraid there won't be a country for them if more don't wake up. Just yesterday we found out that a 28 yr. old socialist defeated the future speaker for the Dem party. 8 months ago she was a bartender! But ol' George seeks to destroy this country and in a pay for play system his money can do just that and it did here. BTW that socialist is a member of the George funded group that attacked HHS Secretary Nielsen at a Mexican restaurant. Hrabar is also a member and she works for the DOJ!! Have you noticed that most of the people surrounding that socialist are Muzzy?!?! BTW George is also funding another Muzzy who he wants to be the first openly Muzzy President of the United States of America (I mean second!!) Last night and today I did a lot of posting and didn't have a drop to drink!
- LWC I appreciate what you said as I enjoy open and honest debate - unfortunately there are players here that simply want to stir the pot!
- Speaking of pot systemnt if you wanna send me some I'll give it a whirl!! I'm a christian and I believe the Bible when it says: "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it". But that statement brings out the holier than thou who only enforce the parts of the Bible that they approve of. A God fearing country that knows better than God.
I firmly believe that if Repubs. would actually change a law that oppresses 68% of the country who openly support it (which means many more privately support but are afraid of saying so) that Republicans would also bring supporters who are only Dems because their kids got busted for enjoying something that God made. After all when the majority of the country wants something legalized our constitution says it has to be - yet even though the medicinal values have been realized it is STILL a class 1 drug?!?! Right up there with Meth, Coke, Heroin and other MANMADE products. By keeping it illegal it's now being found laced with Fentanyl and other nasty drugs. As well as bringing Cartels, Gangs and massive crime!! Big Pharma owns this country and ALL of our mass shootings are people on their psycho drugs. Opioid crisis or anti pot crisis as it's been shown that one IS the solution for the other.

Guess y'all are right I do have some **** on my mind! LOL!!
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Sorry if this went into left field but these are all examples of how muddy water in the American bus. sector have effected my life, and I've got a couple of hundred others bouncing around in my bean. Wouldn't we all benefit in the long run by being a little more transparent. And wouldn't companies strive to use better products/methods of manufacture? And wouldn't the consumer have more confidence in what they purchase?
With big mfg companies it's all on the bean counters. People that cook the books if you will. Save a buck on a part here and there and over thousands of units it adds up and they look good and get big bonuses. Now when the parts fail they blame it on the third party and collect another bonus. It ain't just Harley that does it. They all do it.
Now Harley uses Delphi ECMs in all their FI bikes. Same unit that is in the dash of your GM car or truck. Only difference is the firmware loaded into the ECM. They been using Delphi ever since they went to electronic ignitions. Now here's another one. Harley Twin Cam lifter goes bad, don't go to Harley and pay $100 for one. go to an auto store and by a Chevy Hi po lifter for a 5.7 engine. Same unit and about $25. Also made by Delphi. So the big question is where is Delphi made? Harley OEM cams are ground by the same company that grinds GM cams and several other Car mfgrs. The company is non other than CompCams. The list goes on and on and on.
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Old 06-28-2018, 10:39 AM   #22
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Yeah I had an American made (supposedly) drill press go down. The capacitor was bad and when I dug through my junk pile I found a capacitor on a chinese junk drill I had. Same Capacitor made by the same Chinese mfg. - Difference on these drills? One cost me hundreds of dollars more! So why don't we have percentages available on products? You know to claim American made it must be over 50% American so they already know these percentages and are just hiding them!
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Don't want to stir the pot here...BUT
Unions have been pushing domestic manufacturing truths for YEARS! Primarily the UAW. They had a lot to gain from everything being made in the USA.
Guess that was a bad thing if the unions wanted it huh?
Nafta( Clinton) was a bad deal and really muddied the waters as to where things come from. Labeling as to where anything comes from and what percentage should not be hard to do unless there is deception involved.
Cars and trucks used to be this way.
If your Vin# starts with a 1...made in USA, 2, Canada, 3 Mexico, 4&5 partially USA. After that it is usually letters from the country of origin.
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Well my GMC truck that cost me $36,000 in 2001 has hecho in Mexico on EVERYTHING! And when my vin# specific recalls got to me the dealerships claimed that my vin# specific warranty was made in Indiana which was closed at the time of manufacture so I call BS
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This might help ya a bit.
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No vehicle is 100% American.
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Now they did say that my dash cluster was covered since I brought it in immedeiately when I got the notice. But dang I had 1,000 too many miles so tough titty said the kitty!!! I to this day have to reset my trip meter EVERYTIME I fill up as my gauges do the twitch constantly! LOL! I took my gauge cluster apart and put duct tape on all the warning lights so I don't have to look at the POS they sold me w/o any backing
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My crankshaft sensor was bad and they charged me $850 to replace- they wanted $3,000 but I did some massive homework and found out they had probs with the Mexican made sensors which were shortly recalled. My ins company is the one that told me my vin# specific was in the recall but dealerships NEVER give money back so they lied and said it wasn't covered. You can talk union BS all you want I got F'd and that IS the bottom line. Union people often lie to cover for union people so what should I believe? That I'm an isolated case? I did my homework and they screwed me and many more over so many people it's just not funny anymore - my 2 cents (that's all I got left with)
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BTW my truck would shut itself off in traffic repeatedly and 7 trips to the dealership and nothing just keep on driving and keep on getting stuck in traffic and keep on causing traffic jams but God love the union SMDH
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BTW my truck would shut itself off in traffic repeatedly and 7 trips to the dealership and nothing just keep on driving and keep on getting stuck in traffic and keep on causing traffic jams but God love the union SMDH
Come on Chops...You really think the guys that put your truck together had a say in the design and manufacture of your vehicle? Blame them for a lot, but you can't blame them for that.
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Yeah Tony your right I'm getting all caught up in everything and placing blame for things that have troubled me. Like I said I kept my frustrations pent up for many years and I need to learn how to express them as this is new to me. I don't really believe that people in the GMC factory decided I should pay - this is venting from someone that really doesn't know how to. I've given everything my all for years and therefore think it's all about me. I've had so many famous knifemakers tell me if I was 10 years earlier I'd have an olympic sized pool with statues by now! My apologies to union workers as my anger and frustration is prolly more with the sales end than the guys that have won IROC for more years than team Ferrari or anyone else at a fraction of the cost! My truck is still running strong at 319,000 miles with the original equipment which says so much for design and workmanship. Times are still tough and things still hard so here's your friggen thank you card!! LOL!
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Tony I want to add this first thank you for reaching out to me - means a lot and second my frustrations run deep. A lot of knifemakers lowered their prices and stole a lot of work from those of us that actually walk the walk. Some are now 3-4 years out on orders and since they took ALL the money up front they can't possibly fulfill. So now when they've spent everybody's money and they realize there is no way to do what they promised they are getting jobs and telling people that they might be 6-7 years out!?!? This means that customers will lump every custom knifemaker into the same mold (sound familiar?) Sorry about that, guess I'm a little more human than I thought. You know my BIL and my Sis both drive corvettes and GMC trucks -my BIL retired a union pilot and eventhough my sis has switched to repub. my BIL still supports the view of the unions - you know they both cashed out their 401K's just in time so union advise is spot on - my only complaint is that unions give everything to one party no matter how bad that party becomes. Although I don't think anyone realized how deceitful the Hellary foundation had become. You do have to admit pay to play in the govt. with foreign countries is wrong. Thanx Brother - 57 and still learning!
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HD has been making there parts from other countryies for.many years now. They assemble the bike here in america IF you buy it here. If you buy the bike in other countries it well be assembled else where. The same goes for loads of other brands too. All of this is nothing new and is just a way to slander them for these new tax things. Look up a pod cast by a west texas motorcyclists and youtuber named Tim Krietse Adventures. He goes into details and history about all this.
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