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robert13t · 05-25-2018, 05:40 PM

Recently there was a thread about too many bows. I fall into that category with not just bows but motorcycles and guns too. While I am some what of a vagabond at this point I am learning that I have too much stuff in general and you can't take it with you and the family doesn't want to sort through it.

So the question is if you had to keep only one bow you have, which one and why? What makes it the one? Post pics too.

I've narrowed it down to two... I'll post pics as soon I shoot them to decide.

DRT · 05-25-2018, 06:03 PM

This should be fun.

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RJH1 · 05-25-2018, 06:08 PM

Nothing wrong with having a couple, if you were at that point I would call it good. My criteria however would just be do I shoot it, or does it just sit around with no real purpose

robert13t · 05-25-2018, 07:31 PM

Mine just sit except for a few. I have a nice bow rack to display them. I see them as hand made works of art. That's why I have so many.

Ronnie · 05-25-2018, 08:36 PM

I don't think you can have too many bows and I know for fact you can't have too many bikes!

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DRT · 05-25-2018, 08:53 PM

I sold most of my rifles, shotguns and handguns. I bought only guns I will shoot, can shoot or need to shoot.
I won't own bows that are "works of art". I love to shoot my bows but their real purpose is to draw blood so if I can enjoy shooting it and shoot it relatively well it won't stay long.
I've got about 30 rods and reels I need to sell off soon too.

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robert13t · 05-25-2018, 11:18 PM

I assume you mean can't DRT? I didn't mean works of art as I won't shoot them but that they are good looking bows too. I don't care how good it looks if I can't shoot it well and it doesn't lay in the hand right, it's gone.

robert13t · 05-26-2018, 05:08 PM

I have a love for Jack Kempf bows. I have a Raven that I have long and recurve limbs for. I mainly shoot the recurve limbs but I got it custom build for me with a cocobolo riser. I shoot the kwyk styk better but if I had to sell them all I would keep the Raven. I don't shoot it that much worse plus the set of two limbs makes it very versatile.

robert13t · 05-26-2018, 05:11 PM

Here is the runner up. The kwyk styk. Did I mention that I am a big fan of static recurves too. They just seem to add a little more quickness and authority to the arrow.

DRT · 05-26-2018, 05:42 PM

No I meant what I said. I don't want one I'm afraid to scratch or that I'll devalue it with normal wear. I need it to be able to take the same use and abuse I do. And keep on killing. Just like I do.

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Dry Bones · 05-26-2018, 11:14 PM

Good Stuff. I was fortunate enough to find a couple of guys REALLY interested in bows and handed them each one to start with. My collection has been getting smaller and at this point I have two primary that I will keep. MY Longbow from Jeff Freeman that was made to my order and a really nice Hummingbird I picked up for well worth the price. They shoot nothing alike, and look nothing alike, but feel terrific in the hand. DRT both of these are real beauties to look at, but that has absolutely no hold on taking it to the woods and using it. That's what I bought them for. Really, the only one left that I would say could go is the heavier longbow I bought just to have a heavier work out stick, it's 68 @ 28 and a mild R/D long bow.
Pics are of my two favorites.

robert13t · 05-26-2018, 11:29 PM

Dry Bones good to see some else likes the manly pink gold tip blemish arrows. I enjoy them myself.

Dry Bones · 05-26-2018, 11:50 PM

Those Pink Blems are what I took the 6 point in the other pic as well. Pink does not slow me down one bit. AND nothing in the natural world where I hunt is that color.
I have moved to woods since just before Turkey season started and... Well I may be hooked on woodies, and keep a couple Pinks, just in case.

60 Deluxe · 05-27-2018, 06:32 AM

I love playing with different bow designs so I usually have at least six bows on the shooter rack. I also love vintage bows and have fifty or sixty vintage Bears, some of which will not leave until I do and others that are inventory for trading. The too much stuff idea has been bugging me for several years so I try to haul off a pickup load or two a year and donate it to Christians in action or the church garage sale. At the current rate of attrition there will still be enough left for a nice estate sale someday.

The way that I chose what can go is by asking myself if I use the item or if there is any desire to use the item. If not, it gets sold or donated.

SwampRabbit · 05-29-2018, 03:21 PM

For me it is pretty simple. Above anything else, when it comes to archery, I love to hunt. Because of that, I really only have 1 bow at the moment. It is my Blackwidow PCH - 50#/28". Before that I shot a Sammick Sage, which I don't use for anything other than bowfishing. I have a longbow that I have taken a few small critters with, but it is a pain (literally) to shoot so I don't. I have it because you just never know when you have to have a long bow to shoot (think 3D).

I don't have any plans to and haven't yet bought another recurve because there just isn't any reason to... I have and will continue to kill critters with my widow.

I would like to find a longbow that suits me one of these days... but I still drag my feet on that because at the end of the day... I like killing stuff and my widow does just fine in that department.

Hurricanebow · 06-04-2018, 12:00 AM

I have a Thunderstick III made by Jim Reynolds that is fun to shoot. It's not the most beautiful bow you ever laid eyes on (though it's not ugly by any means), but it does have a pretty cool set of what I believe to be timber rattler skins on it (I bought it used). I also have a Windstorm Archery Santa Ana recurve that is a beauty. It has bocote veneers front and back with a cocobolo and phenolic riser. It looks like an African Sable and has the lines of a graceful dancer. When I bought it used it was described as "quiet as a ninja and fast." It lives up to the hype. It was made by a bowyer named Tom Cable who was apparently ahead of his time. It also shoots where I look, most of the time. I guess I'd have to keep it, but maybe I could have one recurve and one longbow.

robert13t · 06-11-2018, 09:04 AM

I am moving and still trying to figure out of getting rid of a few vows is the right move. I have such a smooth rer xr that I'm not sure I want to let go. I also have a soft spot for short bows. Not sure I want to part with a 48" check mate hunter I have. I don't shoot either very much is the thing.

stickbowcoop · 06-11-2018, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DRT

...so if I can enjoy shooting it and shoot it relatively well it won't stay long

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Originally Posted by DRT

No I meant what I said...

Did you even reread what you wrote? You said if you CAN enjoy a bow it doesn't last. So according to that statement, you keep bows you can't enjoy or shoot well. That is why robert asked if you meant can't

.

I still have about 9 bows. Many of them are bows I made so I can't bring myself to sell them. One because there is no real value there. But two since I don't make bows anymore, I plan to pass them along to my nephews some day.

robert13t · 06-11-2018, 09:46 AM

I do like the idea of passing along bow to family. My wife and I had a wonderful Elkhart made by Javaman that we intended to pass on but I couldn't shoot it without hitting my arm so it got sold. I just hate to see them sit especially if I know I don't shoot them well. If they sit and I shoot them well it takes me a lot longer to think about letting them go. That's the problem I am having with the checkmate and rer.

DRT · 06-11-2018, 12:40 PM

If you can't infer what I meant even if the auto correct isn't perfect then I'm okay with that. As bad as I shoot I may need to thin them all though.

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robert13t · 06-14-2018, 01:39 PM

I will say that there is something very freeing about getting rid of stuff. It releases some stress and allows me to focus on the items I keep instead of such divided attention. I think I will be going through my guns soon too. The problem I have is that most of the things I have are good quality and work well so getting rid of one is always a hard choice.

JEFFRO · 06-17-2018, 12:48 PM

only 1, nope cant to it...
1 longbow
1 recurve
1 composit.
now what to do with the other 25 or so...

DRT · 06-17-2018, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JEFFRO

only 1, nope cant to it...
1 longbow
1 recurve
1 composit.
now what to do with the other 25 or so...

Just hold onto them. I'm sure other shooters will get much better price from your wife or kids after you croak.

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robert13t · 06-19-2018, 10:21 PM

My wife would give them away. I probably should try to make a few bucks to keep her from it. Moving is a pain when you have so much stuff.

JEFFRO · 06-20-2018, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DRT

Just hold onto them. I'm sure other shooters will get much better price from your wife or kids after you croak.

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LOL, I can see you have NEVER met my wife...she's a shooter too, has 4 of her own longbows, 2 recurves..pistols, rifles, fishin rods..all most forgot, and a arvin selfbow..

i came home from work a wile back, and neetz says, i ordered a new bow today.
you guys that have wifes that don't shoot or hunt don't know how lucky or cheep ya got it....

robert13t · 09-26-2018, 09:38 AM

So if you had to get rid of either a bob Lee recurve on a longbow riser or an Rer xr static recurve, which one would you keep? I hate having so many good shooting bows.

jefandaward · 09-26-2018, 10:04 AM

I’d say one really good trad setup would be all you’d ever need

DRT · 09-26-2018, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jefandaward

I’d say one really good trad setup would be all you’d ever need

Blasphemy!

Gary

Bisch · 09-26-2018, 11:55 PM

I’m not very good at thinning! I think the last bow I sold was the one I sold to you! That’s been a few years back now!!!!

Bisch

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Phillip Fields · 09-27-2018, 06:36 AM

I've never sold any of my trad bows, though I've traded a few off for other trad bows.

robert13t · 09-27-2018, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bisch

I’m not very good at thinning! I think the last bow I sold was the one I sold to you! That’s been a few years back now!!!!

That was a good looking bow too! It was a little long and a little heavy so it found another home.

Junkers88 · 10-03-2018, 08:00 PM

My first was a Sammick Sage, still have it with 35lb limbs for form work when I just-can't-figure-out-wth-is-going-on. My shooter is a mid 1970's 45lb Bear Grizzly I bought from 60 Deluxe on here. It was one of a truck load he had for sale and I just had to have it. I love that one and it'll never get sold. That one led to a 1969 Bear Grizzly in 60lbs that unfortunately collects more dust than it really should. I use it for "work out" shooting as it's just too much for me to pull more than a few times.

robert13t · 10-04-2018, 09:07 AM

I put a bob Lee sportsman on the classifieds a week ago because I decided it was too heavy for me to shoot regularly and has been collecting dust.

60 Deluxe · 10-04-2018, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Junkers88

My first was a Sammick Sage, still have it with 35lb limbs for form work when I just-can't-figure-out-wth-is-going-on. My shooter is a mid 1970's 45lb Bear Grizzly I bought from 60 Deluxe on here. It was one of a truck load he had for sale and I just had to have it. I love that one and it'll never get sold. That one led to a 1969 Bear Grizzly in 60lbs that unfortunately collects more dust than it really should. I use it for "work out" shooting as it's just too much for me to pull more than a few times.

I was just looking through old files and from the looks of things, I've sold two more truck loads since that Grizzly. Man this has been fun.

Junkers88 · 10-10-2018, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 60 Deluxe

I was just looking through old files and from the looks of things, I've sold two more truck loads since that Grizzly. Man this has been fun.

Oh man! I'm sure I missed out on a few then. I've been hauled off the "cliff" by my wife several times searching Ebay for old Grizzly bows. Darn things are a pleasure to shoot.

Richard.

60 Deluxe · 10-10-2018, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Junkers88

Oh man! I'm sure I missed out on a few then. I've been hauled off the "cliff" by my wife several times searching Ebay for old Grizzly bows. Darn things are a pleasure to shoot.

Richard.

The last bow that I sold went for a even grand. If you wife is worried about the cost of a Grizzly, she would be looking me up to throw me off the cliff if you bought what I have been selling lately.

Junkers88 · 10-11-2018, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 60 Deluxe

The last bow that I sold went for a even grand. If you wife is worried about the cost of a Grizzly, she would be looking me up to throw me off the cliff if you bought what I have been selling lately.

Yep. I'd be falling right behind you.

robert13t · 10-13-2018, 11:27 AM

fortunately this bob lee I am selling isn't costing near that much.

boomer453 · 10-22-2018, 08:05 AM

For me it's an acadian woods treestick, shoots well for me and pleasing to the eye.

robert13t · 10-23-2018, 06:49 AM

It's funny how one can grab your attention and then you have 5 of them. I will say the good part is traditional bows are generally hand crafted works of art. That's why I like to have some many hanging on the wall even if I don't shoot them all. The Bob Lee is officially gone so thinning is happening.

robert13t · 11-03-2018, 12:17 PM

Decided to list my RER XR for sale. I shoot it better then one of my customs, but worse then another (which has sentimental value) so it's gone to whoever wants it.

05-25-2018, 05:40 PM	#1
robert13t Eight Point Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: vagabond Hunt In: backyard	Criteria for thinning the herd Recently there was a thread about too many bows. I fall into that category with not just bows but motorcycles and guns too. While I am some what of a vagabond at this point I am learning that I have too much stuff in general and you can't take it with you and the family doesn't want to sort through it. So the question is if you had to keep only one bow you have, which one and why? What makes it the one? Post pics too. I've narrowed it down to two... I'll post pics as soon I shoot them to decide.

05-26-2018, 05:08 PM	#8
robert13t Eight Point Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: vagabond Hunt In: backyard	I have a love for Jack Kempf bows. I have a Raven that I have long and recurve limbs for. I mainly shoot the recurve limbs but I got it custom build for me with a cocobolo riser. I shoot the kwyk styk better but if I had to sell them all I would keep the Raven. I don't shoot it that much worse plus the set of two limbs makes it very versatile. Attached Images

05-26-2018, 05:11 PM	#9
robert13t Eight Point Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: vagabond Hunt In: backyard	Here is the runner up. The kwyk styk. Did I mention that I am a big fan of static recurves too. They just seem to add a little more quickness and authority to the arrow. Attached Images

05-26-2018, 11:14 PM	#11
Dry Bones Ten Point Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Houston County Hunt In: only in Texas	Good Stuff. I was fortunate enough to find a couple of guys REALLY interested in bows and handed them each one to start with. My collection has been getting smaller and at this point I have two primary that I will keep. MY Longbow from Jeff Freeman that was made to my order and a really nice Hummingbird I picked up for well worth the price. They shoot nothing alike, and look nothing alike, but feel terrific in the hand. DRT both of these are real beauties to look at, but that has absolutely no hold on taking it to the woods and using it. That's what I bought them for. Really, the only one left that I would say could go is the heavier longbow I bought just to have a heavier work out stick, it's 68 @ 28 and a mild R/D long bow. Pics are of my two favorites. Attached Images

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05-25-2018, 06:03 PM	#2
DRT Pope & Young Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Fort Worth, Tx Hunt In: Jones and San Saba Counties and Missouri	This should be fun. Sent from my SM-G892A using Tapatalk

05-25-2018, 06:08 PM	#3
RJH1 Ten Point Join Date: Mar 2015	Nothing wrong with having a couple, if you were at that point I would call it good. My criteria however would just be do I shoot it, or does it just sit around with no real purpose

05-25-2018, 07:31 PM	#4
robert13t Eight Point Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: vagabond Hunt In: backyard	Mine just sit except for a few. I have a nice bow rack to display them. I see them as hand made works of art. That's why I have so many.

05-25-2018, 08:36 PM	#5
Ronnie Eight Point Join Date: May 2016 Location: La. Hunt In: La. & Texas	I don't think you can have too many bows and I know for fact you can't have too many bikes! Sent from my LG-M150 using Tapatalk

05-25-2018, 08:53 PM	#6
DRT Pope & Young Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Fort Worth, Tx Hunt In: Jones and San Saba Counties and Missouri	I sold most of my rifles, shotguns and handguns. I bought only guns I will shoot, can shoot or need to shoot. I won't own bows that are "works of art". I love to shoot my bows but their real purpose is to draw blood so if I can enjoy shooting it and shoot it relatively well it won't stay long. I've got about 30 rods and reels I need to sell off soon too. Sent from my SM-G892A using Tapatalk

05-25-2018, 11:18 PM	#7
robert13t Eight Point Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: vagabond Hunt In: backyard	I assume you mean can't DRT? I didn't mean works of art as I won't shoot them but that they are good looking bows too. I don't care how good it looks if I can't shoot it well and it doesn't lay in the hand right, it's gone.

05-26-2018, 05:42 PM	#10
DRT Pope & Young Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Fort Worth, Tx Hunt In: Jones and San Saba Counties and Missouri	No I meant what I said. I don't want one I'm afraid to scratch or that I'll devalue it with normal wear. I need it to be able to take the same use and abuse I do. And keep on killing. Just like I do. Sent from my SM-G892A using Tapatalk

05-26-2018, 11:29 PM	#12
robert13t Eight Point Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: vagabond Hunt In: backyard	Dry Bones good to see some else likes the manly pink gold tip blemish arrows. I enjoy them myself.

05-26-2018, 11:50 PM	#13
Dry Bones Ten Point Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Houston County Hunt In: only in Texas	Those Pink Blems are what I took the 6 point in the other pic as well. Pink does not slow me down one bit. AND nothing in the natural world where I hunt is that color. I have moved to woods since just before Turkey season started and... Well I may be hooked on woodies, and keep a couple Pinks, just in case.

05-27-2018, 06:32 AM	#14
60 Deluxe Ten Point Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Coke County Hunt In: at home	I love playing with different bow designs so I usually have at least six bows on the shooter rack. I also love vintage bows and have fifty or sixty vintage Bears, some of which will not leave until I do and others that are inventory for trading. The too much stuff idea has been bugging me for several years so I try to haul off a pickup load or two a year and donate it to Christians in action or the church garage sale. At the current rate of attrition there will still be enough left for a nice estate sale someday. The way that I chose what can go is by asking myself if I use the item or if there is any desire to use the item. If not, it gets sold or donated.

05-29-2018, 03:21 PM	#15
SwampRabbit Pope & Young Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Tomball, TX Hunt In: Wherever	For me it is pretty simple. Above anything else, when it comes to archery, I love to hunt. Because of that, I really only have 1 bow at the moment. It is my Blackwidow PCH - 50#/28". Before that I shot a Sammick Sage, which I don't use for anything other than bowfishing. I have a longbow that I have taken a few small critters with, but it is a pain (literally) to shoot so I don't. I have it because you just never know when you have to have a long bow to shoot (think 3D). I don't have any plans to and haven't yet bought another recurve because there just isn't any reason to... I have and will continue to kill critters with my widow. I would like to find a longbow that suits me one of these days... but I still drag my feet on that because at the end of the day... I like killing stuff and my widow does just fine in that department.

06-04-2018, 12:00 AM	#16
Hurricanebow Spike Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Weatherford,TX Hunt In: Parker County	I have a Thunderstick III made by Jim Reynolds that is fun to shoot. It's not the most beautiful bow you ever laid eyes on (though it's not ugly by any means), but it does have a pretty cool set of what I believe to be timber rattler skins on it (I bought it used). I also have a Windstorm Archery Santa Ana recurve that is a beauty. It has bocote veneers front and back with a cocobolo and phenolic riser. It looks like an African Sable and has the lines of a graceful dancer. When I bought it used it was described as "quiet as a ninja and fast." It lives up to the hype. It was made by a bowyer named Tom Cable who was apparently ahead of his time. It also shoots where I look, most of the time. I guess I'd have to keep it, but maybe I could have one recurve and one longbow.

06-11-2018, 09:04 AM	#17
robert13t Eight Point Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: vagabond Hunt In: backyard	I am moving and still trying to figure out of getting rid of a few vows is the right move. I have such a smooth rer xr that I'm not sure I want to let go. I also have a soft spot for short bows. Not sure I want to part with a 48" check mate hunter I have. I don't shoot either very much is the thing.

06-11-2018, 09:46 AM	#19
robert13t Eight Point Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: vagabond Hunt In: backyard	I do like the idea of passing along bow to family. My wife and I had a wonderful Elkhart made by Javaman that we intended to pass on but I couldn't shoot it without hitting my arm so it got sold. I just hate to see them sit especially if I know I don't shoot them well. If they sit and I shoot them well it takes me a lot longer to think about letting them go. That's the problem I am having with the checkmate and rer.

06-11-2018, 12:40 PM	#20
DRT Pope & Young Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Fort Worth, Tx Hunt In: Jones and San Saba Counties and Missouri	If you can't infer what I meant even if the auto correct isn't perfect then I'm okay with that. As bad as I shoot I may need to thin them all though. Sent from my SM-G892A using Tapatalk

06-14-2018, 01:39 PM	#21
robert13t Eight Point Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: vagabond Hunt In: backyard	I will say that there is something very freeing about getting rid of stuff. It releases some stress and allows me to focus on the items I keep instead of such divided attention. I think I will be going through my guns soon too. The problem I have is that most of the things I have are good quality and work well so getting rid of one is always a hard choice.

06-17-2018, 12:48 PM	#22
JEFFRO Ten Point Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: RED OAK TEXAS Hunt In: can't say it's a secret	only 1, nope cant to it... 1 longbow 1 recurve 1 composit. now what to do with the other 25 or so...

06-19-2018, 10:21 PM	#24
robert13t Eight Point Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: vagabond Hunt In: backyard	My wife would give them away. I probably should try to make a few bucks to keep her from it. Moving is a pain when you have so much stuff.

09-26-2018, 09:38 AM	#26
robert13t Eight Point Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: vagabond Hunt In: backyard	So if you had to get rid of either a bob Lee recurve on a longbow riser or an Rer xr static recurve, which one would you keep? I hate having so many good shooting bows.

09-26-2018, 10:04 AM	#27
jefandaward Ten Point Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Steuben, Michigan Hunt In: Hiawatha National Forest	I’d say one really good trad setup would be all you’d ever need

09-26-2018, 11:55 PM	#29
Bisch Pope & Young Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sonora, Tx	I’m not very good at thinning! I think the last bow I sold was the one I sold to you! That’s been a few years back now!!!! Bisch Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

09-27-2018, 06:36 AM	#30
Phillip Fields Pope & Young Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Chesapeake, VA Hunt In: NC,TX, and anywhere else I can	I've never sold any of my trad bows, though I've traded a few off for other trad bows.

10-03-2018, 08:00 PM	#32
Junkers88 Ten Point Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: San Marcos Hunt In: searching	My first was a Sammick Sage, still have it with 35lb limbs for form work when I just-can't-figure-out-wth-is-going-on. My shooter is a mid 1970's 45lb Bear Grizzly I bought from 60 Deluxe on here. It was one of a truck load he had for sale and I just had to have it. I love that one and it'll never get sold. That one led to a 1969 Bear Grizzly in 60lbs that unfortunately collects more dust than it really should. I use it for "work out" shooting as it's just too much for me to pull more than a few times.

10-04-2018, 09:07 AM	#33
robert13t Eight Point Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: vagabond Hunt In: backyard	I put a bob Lee sportsman on the classifieds a week ago because I decided it was too heavy for me to shoot regularly and has been collecting dust.

10-13-2018, 11:27 AM	#38
robert13t Eight Point Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: vagabond Hunt In: backyard	fortunately this bob lee I am selling isn't costing near that much.

10-22-2018, 08:05 AM	#39
boomer453 Ten Point Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: on the LA side of Toledo Bend Hunt In: Sabine Parish	For me it's an acadian woods treestick, shoots well for me and pleasing to the eye.

10-23-2018, 06:49 AM	#40
robert13t Eight Point Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: vagabond Hunt In: backyard	It's funny how one can grab your attention and then you have 5 of them. I will say the good part is traditional bows are generally hand crafted works of art. That's why I like to have some many hanging on the wall even if I don't shoot them all. The Bob Lee is officially gone so thinning is happening.

11-03-2018, 12:17 PM	#41
robert13t Eight Point Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: vagabond Hunt In: backyard	Decided to list my RER XR for sale. I shoot it better then one of my customs, but worse then another (which has sentimental value) so it's gone to whoever wants it.