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Old 05-17-2018, 09:21 PM   #101
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As luck would have it, I have a couple of meetings in Denver next week for work. Since my bride won't be in town for the weekend, anyway, I'm probably going to stay over until Memorial Day and go hike and scout our hunting area for a couple of days! I'm pretty excited about that! I may even get Courtney to come up for the weekend and hike with me.

I'm also going to try to drop by Kifaru's shop and visit with Aron Snyder about packs. Should be a fun trip!


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That would be awesome to get to talk to Aron, and pick his brain. I love listening to him on the Gritty Bowman, and Kifarucast podcasts. Guy has tons of knowledge of backpack, and elk hunting in general.
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Old 05-17-2018, 10:52 PM   #102
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That would be awesome to get to talk to Aron, and pick his brain. I love listening to him on the Gritty Bowman, and Kifarucast podcasts. Guy has tons of knowledge of backpack, and elk hunting in general.


I've been soaking up podcasts the last few weeks. Aron definitely seems to have a lot of knowledge and opinions on all things elk. I enjoy listening to the GB and their guests.

Maybe I should ask if he's willing to be the first guest on TBH Podcast #1!


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I've been soaking up podcasts the last few weeks. Aron definitely seems to have a lot of knowledge and opinions on all things elk. I enjoy listening to the GB and their guests.

Maybe I should ask if he's willing to be the first guest on TBH Podcast #1!


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I have four reeds in my truck. I use to be a big Bugling bulls reed guy, but really like Phelps AMP Reed’s. The Blue BRO series Amp is my favorite all around. Try a bunch, example I can’t run a real tight stretch well.

To me 90% of my love of elk hunting is calling them in. Other 10% just bring in the mountains.

Start practicing now and you will have it down by sept.
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Old 05-22-2018, 07:47 AM   #104
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I bought a few Packit Gourmet items for my weekend scouting trio as alternative to Mountain House.



I'm going to shoot a few review videos while I'm in the mountains, and I'll let you know how the Packit Gourmet tastes.


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Just some comments to consider, this comes from trying to figure it all out in the field. In regards to the GPS vs phone. My phone had little to no signal back where we were hunting most of the time. I used the GPS to primarily mark specific locations like wallows, benches, heavily used trails, stand locations etc. The phone was really a great camera/video recorder. I thoroughly used google earth extensively to familiarize my hunting area before going. You can go into tools in Google Earth and adjust the terrain option to be much higher and it helps realize the differences in the topography of an area. You can also scroll back in dates on google earth as the photos over the years are taken at different times of the year. Late September photos and early October can really help define the aspen areas with the color change and then the bare Aspens after the loss of the leaves in an area. October and November photos do an excellent job of identifying where the Dark timber is as the Aspens are all bare. The elk like to bed in the dark timber. The also like to hang out and eat in the Aspens. Find Dark timber on northern slopes with water drainage's nearby and Aspens nearby and you have already increased your chances of seeing elk. Every trip is a learning experience. Hunting pressure pushes the elk onto private land pretty quickly. Again, wish you a awesome experience and hope you tag a good bull.
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Old 06-15-2018, 08:10 AM   #106
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Just some comments to consider, this comes from trying to figure it all out in the field. In regards to the GPS vs phone. My phone had little to no signal back where we were hunting most of the time. I used the GPS to primarily mark specific locations like wallows, benches, heavily used trails, stand locations etc. The phone was really a great camera/video recorder. I thoroughly used google earth extensively to familiarize my hunting area before going. You can go into tools in Google Earth and adjust the terrain option to be much higher and it helps realize the differences in the topography of an area. You can also scroll back in dates on google earth as the photos over the years are taken at different times of the year. Late September photos and early October can really help define the aspen areas with the color change and then the bare Aspens after the loss of the leaves in an area. October and November photos do an excellent job of identifying where the Dark timber is as the Aspens are all bare. The elk like to bed in the dark timber. The also like to hang out and eat in the Aspens. Find Dark timber on northern slopes with water drainage's nearby and Aspens nearby and you have already increased your chances of seeing elk. Every trip is a learning experience. Hunting pressure pushes the elk onto private land pretty quickly. Again, wish you a awesome experience and hope you tag a good bull.


Awesome info! I've been studying Google Earth, but switching dates is a great idea! Thanks!


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Old 06-15-2018, 08:54 AM   #107
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I hunt public in Co every year . I think many of you are over thinking it .. WAY too much gear . Its about being light weight and being able to cover a **** ton of ground . Also look into finding a rancher that will pack out the meat on horse back as in most areas you cannot take the quad off road .. You have limited time with bears. And trust me they are on the kill very fast .

I came from 5500 feet so the lack of O2 is not an issue for me . GPS that you know how to work & use , extra batterys the timber can look all the same and easy to get turned around . I cannot stress knowing the GPS . Mark you way trail ( bread crumb setting) many times you can get blocked trying to go back as the crow flies .. Been there done it .

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Old 06-15-2018, 09:01 AM   #108
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I have three packs that one worked out but lacked support and is not making the trip this year . Bought a new bandlands to be able to put my bow on it ..

Side arm is a must . Up to you what you want I carry a G with extended mags in 40 cal with barnes X bullets . 16 rounds should get the job done and one extra mag as well .. i cam face to face with a 350+ lbs Sow last year and its a scary deal..

good luck you will love it .. Drones are a great tool as well , and legal to use , you cannot push game with them but you can pop one up to get a birds eye view for scouting . I did not use one but a guy in camp had one and I saw things that you cannot see from the ground . Not game per say just how the natural funnels are .
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I have three packs that one worked out but lacked support and is not making the trip this year . Bought a new bandlands to be able to put my bow on it ..

Side arm is a must . Up to you what you want I carry a G with extended mags in 40 cal with barnes X bullets . 16 rounds should get the job done and one extra mag as well .. i cam face to face with a 350+ lbs Sow last year and its a scary deal..

good luck you will love it .. Drones are a great tool as well , and legal to use , you cannot push game with them but you can pop one up to get a birds eye view for scouting . I did not use one but a guy in camp had one and I saw things that you cannot see from the ground . Not game per say just how the natural funnels are .
I took my DJI Spark for my scouting trip, but my understanding is that it's not legal to use while hunting.
[quote]DENVER, Colo. - Colorado Parks and Wildlife Law Enforcement and Public Safety Assistant Director Heather Dugan says CPW is seeing more cases of Colorado hunters illegally using drones.

“The bottom line is, if it’s related to a hunt in any way, you can’t do it,” Dugan said. “For scouting, locating, anything. If they fly before they take an animal, they’re illegal. If they use the drone to locate an animal they may have shot and wounded, they’re illegal.”

Dugan stressed that the use of a drone for hunting is not only a violation of CPW Commission Regulations (see below), but also a violation of the Federal Airborne Hunting Act.

Even for non-hunters, drone use on CPW land is restricted. It is not legal to take off or land a drone in any of CPW’s more than 350 state wildlife areas. Drone use in state parks is limited to those parks with a designated area for model aircraft use. Even then, drone operators should be aware that it is illegal to harass wildlife.

Dugan said, “The harassment definition is that it causes any change in the behavior of the wildlife. So if the animal runs, if it changes direction, if it stops eating, that's harassment. Any change in the animal is considered harassment and it’s illegal.
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DENVER, Colo. - Colorado Parks and Wildlife Law Enforcement and Public Safety Assistant Director Heather Dugan says CPW is seeing more cases of Colorado hunters illegally using drones.

“The bottom line is, if it’s related to a hunt in any way, you can’t do it,” Dugan said. “For scouting, locating, anything. If they fly before they take an animal, they’re illegal. If they use the drone to locate an animal they may have shot and wounded, they’re illegal.”

Dugan stressed that the use of a drone for hunting is not only a violation of CPW Commission Regulations (see below), but also a violation of the Federal Airborne Hunting Act.

Even for non-hunters, drone use on CPW land is restricted. It is not legal to take off or land a drone in any of CPW’s more than 350 state wildlife areas. Drone use in state parks is limited to those parks with a designated area for model aircraft use. Even then, drone operators should be aware that it is illegal to harass wildlife.

Dugan said, “The harassment definition is that it causes any change in the behavior of the wildlife. So if the animal runs, if it changes direction, if it stops eating, that's harassment. Any change in the animal is considered harassment and it’s illegal.

http://cpw.state.co.us/aboutus/Pages...px?NewsID=6315
If the "harassment" definition stands up in court, then pretty much any drone activity could be determined illegal at any time.
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Old 06-15-2018, 09:32 AM   #110
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I knew there was some issues with it " scouting vs hunting" we got there before season started by 1 day so I guess that may have been kinda legal then ?? as I said I do not own one .


But good to know .. Did you bear hunt by the way as last year the baiting thing took on a new twist.. Baiting is not legal however they added in hunting over any dead animal is now not legal .. Hence gut pile or quarter elk parts etc .. I saw a small black running through the woods with about half a deer carcass .. I gave him a wide berth .. headed off in the other direction .. I could hear him crushing the bones .. makes the hair stand up on your neck for sure
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I knew there was some issues with it " scouting vs hunting" we got there before season started by 1 day so I guess that may have been kinda legal then ?? as I said I do not own one .


But good to know .. Did you bear hunt by the way as last year the baiting thing took on a new twist.. Baiting is not legal however they added in hunting over any dead animal is now not legal .. Hence gut pile or quarter elk parts etc .. I saw a small black running through the woods with about half a deer carcass .. I gave him a wide berth .. headed off in the other direction .. I could hear him crushing the bones .. makes the hair stand up on your neck for sure
Such crap. DOW basically begs you to get a bear tag, due to over population issues. No telling how much they spend on problem bear management
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Hunt big game over bait, whether or not the person hunting personally
placed the bait. Bait means to put, expose, distribute or scatter salt,
minerals, grain, animal parts or other food as an attraction for big game.
Salt or mineral blocks used for normal agricultural purposes are not considered
bait. Scent sticks that smell like food are illegal for bears.
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Old 06-15-2018, 10:11 AM   #113
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I knew there was some issues with it " scouting vs hunting" we got there before season started by 1 day so I guess that may have been kinda legal then ?? as I said I do not own one .


But good to know .. Did you bear hunt by the way as last year the baiting thing took on a new twist.. Baiting is not legal however they added in hunting over any dead animal is now not legal .. Hence gut pile or quarter elk parts etc .. I saw a small black running through the woods with about half a deer carcass .. I gave him a wide berth .. headed off in the other direction .. I could hear him crushing the bones .. makes the hair stand up on your neck for sure
This is my first trip and I didn't draw a bear tag. My hunting partner did, though, so we'll probably put a little effort in if we see sign or a bear.
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Old 06-15-2018, 11:01 AM   #114
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bear draw for this coming year has not happened yet .its online you know right away if you got it .
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bear draw for this coming year has not happened yet .its online you know right away if you got it .
Almost every OTC archery elk unit is OTC for archery bear with Caps
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Aug first online is how I do it . archery bear anyways OTC caps and that date is not exact but its in that time frame .
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I will disagree with a sidearm being a requirement. Every bear I've ever seen in Colorado was tripping over itself to escape, cubs included.

If you are so close to a sow she feels defense is the only option, she will have you on the ground before you can pull your sidearm.

Awareness is the best defense.
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I have three packs that one worked out but lacked support and is not making the trip this year . Bought a new bandlands to be able to put my bow on it ..

Side arm is a must . Up to you what you want I carry a G with extended mags in 40 cal with barnes X bullets . 16 rounds should get the job done and one extra mag as well .. i cam face to face with a 350+ lbs Sow last year and its a scary deal..

good luck you will love it .. Drones are a great tool as well , and legal to use , you cannot push game with them but you can pop one up to get a birds eye view for scouting . I did not use one but a guy in camp had one and I saw things that you cannot see from the ground . Not game per say just how the natural funnels are .
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Almost every OTC archery elk unit is OTC for archery bear with Caps
What is "with caps?" (I have several on my dash! )
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What is "with caps?" (I have several on my dash! )
Aug 9th over the counter with caps opens. Basically first come first serve and they hardly ever sell out in most units. Over 90 units for archery and they are OTC archery and NOT available through draw.


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I guess I'm the contrarian when it comes to shoes. I use the same ones I backpack in for hunting. Oboz low cut hiking shoes. If you've done your work with weight on your back your ankles will handle the terrain. They dry quickly, there light, and with gators and traction I've even traversed spring snowpack.
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It's starting to come together. One of the biggest (and most expensive) puzzle pieces arrived yesterday!




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Nice looking pack. Is that the medium size belt pouch?

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Nice looking pack. Is that the medium size belt pouch?

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Yes. Just for the photo, I put one medium pouch on the left hip and one at the bottom of the pack.


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Thanks. Was looking at getting a medium pouch to run on left hip.

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Thanks. Was looking at getting a medium pouch to run on left hip.

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I think it will work pretty well.

I also picked up a set of the Ultralight pullouts to help organize.


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I also bought the Native pack with the intent to possibly run as a lid (if I need more capacity) or just as a daypack for whitetail hunts.


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I was planning on getting the guide lid, nalgene holder, and medium belt pouch for this fall, but ordered a new bow for my son. Which pack did you get?

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I was planning on getting the guide lid, nalgene holder, and medium belt pouch for this fall, but ordered a new bow for my son. Which pack did you get?

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I got the Cavern based on large part on Aron's recommendation. What pack do you have?


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Got the Reckoning. I'm planning on hunting White tail on public land some, and the load shelf holds my hang on stand, and climbing sticks go in bag.

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Got the Reckoning. I'm planning on hunting White tail on public land some, and the load shelf holds my hang on stand, and climbing sticks go in bag.

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The Reckoning was on the short list. It is very similar to the Cavern (with identical independent compression system). Have you hunted with yours yet? How do you like it?


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Old 06-25-2018, 08:55 AM   #133
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I will disagree with a sidearm being a requirement. Every bear I've ever seen in Colorado was tripping over itself to escape, cubs included.

If you are so close to a sow she feels defense is the only option, she will have you on the ground before you can pull your sidearm.

Awareness is the best defense.

I would not disagree being aware is key but there are times when its just a **** happens deal , like in my case .


I was within 25 yards .. But my opinion & you have yours.. I will carry just like I do every day no different there than here ..

Honestly I do not recall seeing one guy without a side arm while hunting though ..
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Old 06-25-2018, 09:27 AM   #134
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First backpack hunt with it will be September. Versatility was reason for going with it. Works great for moving hang on set up, and can be expanded enough for 7-12 day trip in September. Have only put 30 -40 miles on it.

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Old 06-25-2018, 09:42 AM   #135
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I do carry bow(on NAP Apache sling), bino harness, GPS, and range finder as well as pack. Finish my hike with 6-12 arrows and 50 yds with everything on.
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Great choice! I'll be curious to get your feedback after your hunt.

I was leaning toward Sitka or Kuiu for camo clothing, but I found a great deal on these First Lite Corrugate Guide Pants and an Aero Wool shirt.



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I will disagree with a sidearm being a requirement. Every bear I've ever seen in Colorado was tripping over itself to escape, cubs included.

If you are so close to a sow she feels defense is the only option, she will have you on the ground before you can pull your sidearm.

Awareness is the best defense.

This is definitely a personal call. I have hunted in the mountains for 18 years. I have seen a number of bear that will run away and most that we never saw but heard. I have only been charged once. It was a false charge but it got scary quickly. You just never know. If carrying a sidearm makes you feel better I'd say take it.

With that said I don't carry in the woods while bow hunting however this year I am taking my boys and it will make me feel better if I have one.
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Old 06-25-2018, 10:26 AM   #138
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I will disagree with a sidearm being a requirement. Every bear I've ever seen in Colorado was tripping over itself to escape, cubs included.

If you are so close to a sow she feels defense is the only option, she will have you on the ground before you can pull your sidearm.

Awareness is the best defense.
Here's a lot of stories that say otherwise.

https://www.ammoland.com/2018/02/def...#axzz5JS15M9is
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Old 06-25-2018, 10:34 AM   #139
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Handheld gps and compass for sure.
Friends of mine got lost there for 2 days.
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Old 06-25-2018, 11:03 AM   #140
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You're in deep now, Middleton.
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Old 06-25-2018, 11:39 AM   #141
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All three make great gear. I bought the First Lite uncompaghre vest. Bought black ovis wool base layer top and boxer briefs. Still wearing my Cabela's microtex pants and top. Have looked at corregate guide and Sitka mountain pants, and both tops, but haven't found and great deals in my size. Bought Crispi Nevada uninsulated boots.
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Great choice! I'll be curious to get your feedback after your hunt.

I was leaning toward Sitka or Kuiu for camo clothing, but I found a great deal on these First Lite Corrugate Guide Pants and an Aero Wool shirt.



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Old 06-25-2018, 11:59 AM   #142
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interesting thread,Sub'd
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I made a new video highlighting my current sleep system that I'll likely run this fall, including an interesting new synthetic quilt from Outdoor Vitals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYF47WVHuC0

Do you prefer ground (tarp or tent?) or hammock camping?
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On the fence between tarp and tent, but am using 1 1/2 man tent with xtherm pad and 20 degree bag this year.

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Get you a Montana elk decoy!!! They work like a mofo!!!!!and they breakdown and weigh nada. They are around 120? I think or I have one in my garage ill sell.
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On the fence between tarp and tent, but am using 1 1/2 man tent with xtherm pad and 20 degree bag this year.

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Perfect! What's the total weight of that system?

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Get you a Montana elk decoy!!! They work like a mofo!!!!!and they breakdown and weigh nada. They are around 120? I think or I have one in my garage ill sell.
I think Adam may have one, but I'll check it out! Thanks!
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Old 07-12-2018, 10:11 AM   #148
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Tent 4 lbs 2 oz
Neo air 5.7 r value 17 oz
Sleeping bag 2 lbs 6 oz
Should be able to cut 7 oz from tent when I pick up aluminum poles, but a 10 x 10 tarp system would only weight 1 1/2 lbs

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Old 07-12-2018, 11:55 AM   #149
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Curious to see what all your gear weighs. I didn't read thru your list, but a bow sling was something I didn't take on my first trip....but I dang sure had one on my second!

I bet on your next trip you streamline the hail out of your gear I know I did!
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Old 07-12-2018, 12:04 PM   #150
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I have an excel spreadsheet I have pulled off the internet and catered to what I'm bringing. Would be happy to share it with anybody if you PM your email address. Breaks down gear by category and displays price and weight. You can pull the original spreadsheet here

Gear and 4 days of food and 3L of water- I'm at 36.8lbs packed if I leave my rain gear and extra t-shirt at the truck. 39.12lbs if I bring it.

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