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Old 07-10-2018, 11:27 AM   #1
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No known Texas state minimum poundage. I hate to ask but feel compelled...I hate working on minimums (slacker territory) but necessary this go round.

Reason: I am coming off of torn bicep surgery, progressing rapidly with recovery, and looking to forthcoming WT season. I thought it’d be best to work back into shooting a lighter poundage bow versus my 49@28 & 58@28 longbows and 54@28 recurve.

Ive searched the past threads and to state the (seemingly) obvious...PROPER SHOT PLACEMENT...and well tuned High FOC arrow with razor sharp 2 blade with 3:1 broadhead (length vs width) ratio loosed at short yardage range would increase harvest potential.

Particularly...is 35#@28 longbow too little poundage? I think with my 31-32” draw length Ill get to 40# easily. I think Id aim to build arrows around 450-500gr and 20-25% FOC or more.

It seems plenty of trad killers kill in the low 40s...but I always appreciate yalls fresh guidance.

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Old 07-10-2018, 11:36 AM   #2
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I wouldn't. Given what I've seen of penetration even with well tuned arrows, sharp single bevel heads and good foc I wouldn't go under 45 at my draw. Sure with perfect placement and . . . .
My hunting is seldom a perfect scenario. I would suggest a lower poundage compound that has better energy and good let off. But hey, I'm gonna do what I feels right for me. That's a personal decision.

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Old 07-10-2018, 11:37 AM   #3
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There have been a bazillion whitetails killed with 40# bows. Like you already mentioned, be sure to keep shots close, broadheads sharp, and hit the right spot!

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I would not be afraid of hunting with a 40# bow.
When I was a kid, before compounds 45 was considered a heavy bow

My hero Bisch has killed more animals than parvo and he pretty much always uses less than 50
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I've got a like new, beautiful, Toelke Whip, 40# @ 28 that could be yours for $600.00. That's $300.00 less that I paid for it.

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Yup. But not everyone is as good a shot as you or Bisch. I'm not and I know when I'm at less than my A game, like last fall with a broken finger, the better choice was to change equipment. I'm back on trad now and have learned to shoot without that pesky finger.

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Old 07-10-2018, 03:34 PM   #7
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I've got a like new, beautiful, Toelke Whip, 40# @ 28 that could be yours for $600.00. That's $300.00 less that I paid for it.
Dang! Thats seems like a good deal Chuck. Ill PM you. Ill trade some Honey for a stick and string. JK.

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Just how much honey you got? Just kidding, you well enough to make it to Fredericksburg? Just keep your shots close and your broadheads sharp and you'd be good with 40 or so pounds.
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Yup. But not everyone is as good a shot as you or Bisch. I'm not and I know when I'm at less than my A game, like last fall with a broken finger, the better choice was to change equipment. I'm back on trad now and have learned to shoot without that pesky finger.

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I can’t speak for Marty because he is a much better shooter than me, but as for me..............there are a gazillion guys out there who shoot better than I do! A huge part of the hunting thing though, is confidence! You have to “know” when you pull back on a critter that you are going to make a perfect shot. Perfect shots don’t always happen, sometimes because we screw up and sometimes because the animal messes things up, but when hunting, when you let go of the string, in your mind you have to “know” that it will be a perfect shot!

You also have to have limits on what shots you will take, and stick to them. If the shot presented is not within those limits, then you pass the shot and wait till next time.

Taking very high percentage shots that are all in your “go zone” really helps to up the kill percentage!!

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I have a lady friend of mine who hunts with a 31# at her DL recurve. When she shoots at a critter, she is as deadly as nearly anyone I know who bowhunts. She has very well tuned equipment, and will only take certain shots. Sure, she does not get the penetration a higher draw weight would get, and sometimes needs the help of a tracking dog because of lack of good blood trail, but when she does shoot a critter it is almost always dead not very far away!!!!!

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Old 07-10-2018, 03:53 PM   #11
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I killed 2 does with a 42# Hybrid style longbow. I had a second back surgery in 2005 and needed a light bow and a friend made it for me. My arrows weighed in at 490 and the FOC wasn't high; I don't remember the exact number but it was less than 20. I used 125 grn 2 blade Magnus broadheads. The arrow was poking out the other side of both deer I shot but not complete pass throughs. This was in PA, and though the buck racks aren't as big as Texas the deer body size is larger there.
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Old 07-10-2018, 04:01 PM   #12
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40# at your draw length should be fine especially with 10gr per inch.
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Old 07-10-2018, 04:10 PM   #13
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#35 will certainly get the job done and #40 would be much better. Is #35 ideal, no but like you stated with ultra sharp 2 blade heads and a good FOC it will get the job done on most any Texas whitetail. I'd even add using micro diameter shafts if you can find ones in the right spine. Know your limitations and stay inside them and you'll do fine.


I'd venture that most folks would be a little more accurate if they dropped a little bow weight.
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WT are funny creatures to hunt. They can be jumpy as all get out... contort... and are just ninjas. I fully expect to keep hunting them well into the days where I have to drop down to 40#... and my hope is that by then, I am more patient and more skilled in getting in closer so that the timing is pretty much the same as it is now with a 50# at that 15 yard mark.

I picked up a 40# bow and it felt great at 8 yards... not so much at 15 yards like my current bow... so in that regard, if I were to make the switch now, I'd be limiting myself to under 10 yards with it. (BTW, not saying you can't shoot a 40# further... just saying for me and my comfort/confidence.)

I've gotten within 10 yards of plenty of deer that I would still be happy limiting myself to that range.
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Just how much honey you got? Just kidding, you well enough to make it to Fredericksburg? Just keep your shots close and your broadheads sharp and you'd be good with 40 or so pounds.
We harvested 150ish pounds before my surgery...3 weeks ago. $8 per pound. I sent you a PM Chuck.

DRT...I have considered moving back to a compound but...Ill not be heretic Seriously, itd have to be the compound I killed my first buck with shooting right handed...a 30 year old hand me down...thatd probably kill just fine but Ive parted out and given parts to friends who needed stuff. Itd be a minor rebuild that I dont care to endeavor.

Bisch...your deadly lady friend gives me confidence.

Rabbit...funny enough...my initials are BTW...how’d you guess?

All Yall...Thank you for the input.

I had a friend offer to split cost of a crossbow...A real good friend who got me on this archery journey. Honestly Id rather go kill something with a suppressed boom stick or my 1911 than a crossbow....Im not sure why but just would...regardless of missing a month of hunting.

I also ask about minimum draw weight for trad youth WT hunts. I’m grooming my 16yo nephew for trad killing but know his strength to pull is limited.

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Old 07-10-2018, 06:23 PM   #16
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Nobody will talk about all the wounded ones that don't get posted or found. Just saying.
It is a personal choice. However there is no shame in killing deer with a compound. Or even a rifle for that matter.


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Nobody will talk about all the wounded ones that don't get posted or found. Just saying.
It is a personal choice. However there is no shame in killing deer with a compound. Or even a rifle for that matter.


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If a critter is lost, it more than likely was not due to someone using a 40# bow, but way more than likely due to a crappy shot, or unforeseen circumstances. A crappy shot is a crappy shot, no matter the draw weight!

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That's true but a shoulder shot with adequate poundage is more likely to get in the vitals. A deer that turns as you shoot and gets hit back is more likely to at least get a liver and a lung if you have adequate energy. I just don't buy into bowhunting with light poundage bows. Whether trad or compound.
I wouldn't hunt with a trad bow less than 40lbs st my dl and I wouldn't shoot over 12 yards at that poundage.
Even at 50lbs I wouldn't shoot past 20.
As I said it's a personal choice. But I need a good blood trail and that means two holes as often as possible.

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And yes, uncle Ted is wrong and he makes crappy shots.

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Old 07-11-2018, 08:56 AM   #20
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If a critter is lost, it more than likely was not due to someone using a 40# bow, but way more than likely due to a crappy shot, or unforeseen circumstances. A crappy shot is a crappy shot, no matter the draw weight!

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This!

I wounded/lost/missed four times as many deer than I recovered with my compound. One was a weird blood trail that crossed itself multiple times over a 300 yard range and eventually got called off due to a thunderstorm. Two misses because I wasn't patient and one wounded for the same reason.

I can look back at the majority of my bad encounters with critters and a bow, and not once did it have anything to do with the draw weight or tune of my bow. It all had to do with inexperience or questionable judgement calls or just bad luck.
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:15 AM   #21
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Good luck in your recovery from surgery. Follow your doctors orders and be faithful to the physical therapy. A good physical therapist can do wonders for you. I had a similar situation a couple of years ago with a torn rotator cuff. I got a 40lb bow as a rehab bow. Worked up gradually and shot 46lbs last hunting season. 40 lb bows can do the job for sure. Keep up with the physical therapy. My physical therapist knew nothing about archery so I brought my bow to the PT and she tailored some excercises for the bow. I have kept up with the excercises and am now back shooting 50 pounds more easily than I have in a long while and continuing to work towards 55lb. Bottom line is keep up with your PT and don't be afraid of 40lbs.
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If a critter is lost, it more than likely was not due to someone using a 40# bow, but way more than likely due to a crappy shot, or unforeseen circumstances. A crappy shot is a crappy shot, no matter the draw weight!

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Yep. In 32 years I have lost 4 deer. 3 with a compound (60#-70#), one with a recurve (65#). All were my fault. I made a bad shot, shot alert deer, etc. One was with a Rocket mini-blaster mechanical with the o-ring and I found the arrow with the o-ring still up on the blades, I can't explain that one. But even that was my fault for choosing that mechanical. I will never blame my equipment. I am sure that deer died but PA did not allow tracking dogs and the blood trail was non-existent. I will not hesitate to hunt with a light longbow or recurve with good arrow and broadhead choices. But we all have to make our own choices and shoot what we are confident with shooting.
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Good luck in your recovery from surgery. Follow your doctors orders and be faithful to the physical therapy. A good physical therapist can do wonders for you. I had a similar situation a couple of years ago with a torn rotator cuff. I got a 40lb bow as a rehab bow. Worked up gradually and shot 46lbs last hunting season. 40 lb bows can do the job for sure. Keep up with the physical therapy. My physical therapist knew nothing about archery so I brought my bow to the PT and she tailored some excercises for the bow. I have kept up with the excercises and am now back shooting 50 pounds more easily than I have in a long while and continuing to work towards 55lb. Bottom line is keep up with your PT and don't be afraid of 40lbs.
Thank you...will do. Surgeon was impressed with my recovery so far and will revisit in another three weeks...before beginning light strength training. He was optimistic that I might not need physical therapy due to my overall progress...we shall see.
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Yep. In 32 years I have lost 4 deer. 3 with a compound (60#-70#), one with a recurve (65#). All were my fault. I made a bad shot, shot alert deer, etc. One was with a Rocket mini-blaster mechanical with the o-ring and I found the arrow with the o-ring still up on the blades, I can't explain that one. But even that was my fault for choosing that mechanical. I will never blame my equipment. I am sure that deer died but PA did not allow tracking dogs and the blood trail was non-existent. I will not hesitate to hunt with a light longbow or recurve with good arrow and broadhead choices. But we all have to make our own choices and shoot what we are confident with shooting.
Funny. I still have the first package of broadheads I ever purchased......late summer 2014...mechanicals...unopened...still sealed in plastic...Rage somethingerrothers. I lost sleep the night before my first archery hunt thinking of all the scenarios of failure and the mechs opening before impact kept coming up. (Bisch... you may not remember, but you were chootin at Double G at the time.) I sat that next morning, held back on opportunities, then promptly went and bought some Montec G5s COCs. Killed my first archery deer...8pt buck...the following morning shooting a right handed compound left handed...with confidence...and a kbar.

I passed on Chucks sweet deal...Thanks for the opportunity Chuck.

Im gonna stay on the 35#ish@28 longbow trail...so I can share the bow with my novice archers.

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I have a friend with shoulder problems who has hunted for years with a 32# longbow. Kills regularly. Of course he keeps his shot to less than 15 yards. Lightest I've hunted with is 38#. Kill'm stone dead.
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I've hunted with compounds and 70-80 lb recurves for about 40 years now. I haven't shot a light weight bow since I was a kid. But hard living and some injuries along with getting older have forced me down to 50 lbs. I just bought some 35 lb limbs for a sage recurve and love them. I really can't see much difference in penetration in my target. I wouldn't hesitate taking a perfect shot at 15 paces with it. I will most likely get some 40 limbs because I shoot so much more accurate with the lighter poundage. I plan on keeping arrows around 10 gpp and sharp 2 blade broadheads. I'll take accuracy in bowhunting over poundage and let shot placement and the broadhead do it's work.


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I've hunted with compounds and 70-80 lb recurves for about 40 years now. I haven't shot a light weight bow since I was a kid. But hard living and some injuries along with getting older have forced me down to 50 lbs. I just bought some 35 lb limbs for a sage recurve and love them. I really can't see much difference in penetration in my target. I wouldn't hesitate taking a perfect shot at 15 paces with it. I will most likely get some 40 limbs because I shoot so much more accurate with the lighter poundage. I plan on keeping arrows around 10 gpp and sharp 2 blade broadheads. I'll take accuracy in bowhunting over poundage and let shot placement and the broadhead do it's work.


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I want to add that I don't think 35 lbs is ideal or better for hunting than 50 lbs. I do think that 35 lbs will kill a deer all day long if the arrow goes where it's supposed to be. There's alot of advantages with lighter poundage. Most people will be more accurate.As any experienced bowhunter will tell you. Shoot the heaviest draw you can shoot accurately. Be it 35 lbs or 100 lbs.

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That's the tricky part. Making that perfect shot. Greater energy gives some room for error. Just like a wider blade cut, a single bevel head etc.
Personally I need a little insurance.

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I'm also the guy who doesn't advocate shooting pigs with a .17HMR. I don't expect everyone to agree with me.

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A high performance 40 will shoot the same arrow faster than a lower performance 45-50 pound bow. Ive chrono'd a ton of bows and have had several light bows that would outperform heavier bows all day long, so you are loosing nothing but draw weight
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My 41 pound A&h has killed several deer and a few pigs.
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My 41 pound A&h has killed several deer and a few pigs.
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