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Old 06-28-2018, 01:59 PM   #51
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http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2018/...can-elections/
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Old 07-03-2018, 12:03 PM   #52
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I fear for our grandchildren.

This is ridiculous.
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Question for all the folks who hunt in Mexico. What do y'all think of the election results and how will this affect your hunting?
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Old 07-09-2018, 06:38 AM   #54
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so far so good,i was there last week and its pretty upbeat, says hes gonna leave the cartels alone and work on internal corruption. The problem is the US is as corrupt as the mexicans its just easier to point our fingers at them and say bad. We should mind our on business and fix this mess on this side before we go trying to save the planet.our politicos suck just as much as they do.
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so far so good,i was there last week and its pretty upbeat, says hes gonna leave the cartels alone and work on internal corruption. The problem is the US is as corrupt as the mexicans its just easier to point our fingers at them and say bad. We should mind our on business and fix this mess on this side before we go trying to save the planet.our politicos suck just as much as they do.
Our corruption is not as bad as Mexico. If it was we would suk as bad as Mexico and we don't.
We are not trying to mind Mexico's business, they keep pushing the invasion of our country on their list of to do's .
Mexico could be a wonderful country if they would fix their issues.
This socialist they just elected will make things much worse forcing us to spend even more of our money to deal with it.
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So Mexican government "internal corruption" has nothing to do with the cartels...
thats an interesting spin.
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Old 07-09-2018, 09:34 AM   #57
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So Mexican government "internal corruption" has nothing to do with the cartels...
thats an interesting spin.
You know for a fact that if a mexican politician is alive.....he's being paid by the cartel
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I posted this on the other mexican thread.....but I'll post it again on this one.




Mexican President-elect Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador announced this week that he plans to travel without armed guards and claims that the people will protect him, even as the country has been rocked by scores of political assassinations over the past several months.

President Enrique Pena Nieto reportedly offered Lopez Obrador federal protection until he takes office, but he declined, saying, "The people will protect me. ... He who fights for justice has nothing to fear."

Lopez Obrador, who is commonly referred to as "AMLO," also told a large crowd of supporters: "Youíll all be watching out for me."
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Old 07-09-2018, 09:58 AM   #59
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claims that the people will protect him
Arent guns illegal there, how can the common man protect himself, much less a politician.

I want to say the markup on cocaine from Columbia to the US is something like 10,000%. If the US was not consuming drugs and cheap labor at the rate that we do, the cartels wouldn't have the money and power that they have.
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Old 07-09-2018, 10:06 AM   #60
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Arent guns illegal there.
They are allowed to have .22's.
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Old 07-09-2018, 04:43 PM   #61
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Iíll say it again just annex MEXICO and make it the 51st state. Problem solved!


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if you think that us a good idea , why not just move to mexico ,,,, that does not even rank as high as a really really bad idea...
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They are allowed to have .22's.
Not sure where you got this but all guns in Mexico are illegal unless you have a permit for it, with the exception of air rifles. Mexican citizens can legally possess weapons for protection with the proper paperwork. This paperwork however is very expensive.
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Not sure where you got this but all guns in Mexico are illegal unless you have a permit for it, with the exception of air rifles. Mexican citizens can legally possess weapons for protection with the proper paperwork. This paperwork however is very expensive.
Back when I used to sell guns/ammo they would come in and buy only 3 types of rounds. .22 , .38special , .38 super. Guess I just assumed if thats what they were taking back that they had the guns for them as well.
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if you think that us a good idea , why not just move to mexico ,,,, that does not even rank as high as a really really bad idea...


Why would I want to move to Mexico? Doesnít even make sense. We will continue to get their problems and people not to mention they will vote Democrat so in the long run we lose control of our own county and our our own future but who cares letís continue down the same path, death by a thousand cuts.
Iím still waiting for someone that has a counter proposal that will solve the issue.


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Old 07-09-2018, 05:17 PM   #65
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Mexican civi's are legally allowed to own certain firearms & ammunition...it is a bit of an ordeal, but everything is purchased through the Mexican Military.

Most common military / NATO type rounds are not allowed...my understanding that yes, there is sort of a list of calibers they are allowed to choose from.
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Why would I want to move to Mexico? Doesn’t even make sense. We will continue to get their problems and people not to mention they will vote Democrat so in the long run we lose control of our own county and our our own future but who cares let’s continue down the same path, death by a thousand cuts.
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Enforcement of our own immigration laws would take care of 95% (my guess) of the problem. If they couldn't get a job they wouldn't risk their lives to some over. Then you would only have to worry about the other 5% (another guess) of drug smugglers and the like. It is not rocket science. But if businesses continue to hire them, the problem will not go away. A wall won't stop them either. You have to take away their incentive (JOBS) for coming.
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No need to go and get all racist LWC.
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Old 07-09-2018, 06:15 PM   #68
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Enforcement of our own immigration laws would take care of 95% (my guess) of the problem. If they couldn't get a job they wouldn't risk their lives to some over. Then you would only have to worry about the other 5% (another guess) of drug smugglers and the like. It is not rocket science. But if businesses continue to hire them, the problem will not go away. A wall won't stop them either. You have to take away their incentive (JOBS) for coming.


I completely agree with you and thatís why I always question people when they say our immigration system is broken. Every hear anyone detail what part is broken? Unfortunately I donít think enforcement will ever happen.


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Right now I do believe it is broken.

If you are from Mex & get caught, you get deported...from Central America with kids?? Right not the 'law' is you can only hold them together for around 3 weeks or separate & hold. If held together, Then you get a hearing date of which only 3% ever return to. That would be current enforcement of the 'law' of which is not working.

Congress needs to fix our immigration laws, period.
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Old 07-09-2018, 08:37 PM   #70
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I for one am tired of all the immigration Bull Crap.
Anybody recognize this fine young immigrant I got a pic of w a trail cam .
He was sizing up on how to break into my trailer. Since I have burglar bars he decided to try to chisel his way in through the roof w a pair of limb loppers I had left by the skinning rack.
Tore a hole and messed up the shingles but the skinny little fart could not squeeze through the hole.
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Old 07-09-2018, 08:40 PM   #71
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It won't ever end.. The flood of immigrants is just the distraction...
The drugs pouring over are the #1 goal with democrat votes being the second.. Both equate to big $$$$ and there are simply too many people "in power", at all levels, with their hand in that cookie jar..

It could be completely and easily stopped in a year or less if our government officials truly wanted it to stop..
Until we the people say enough with the corruption it will never end..
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Old 07-09-2018, 10:34 PM   #72
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Enforce the laws on hiring illegals and make the fines so drastic that no one will hire them. No welfare/student loans/grants etc. without a SS# or tax ID. And you can't enroll your kids in our public schools unless you can prove you pay taxes. 75% tax on money sent out of the country. Boom 95-98% of the problem gone.

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It won't ever end.. The flood of immigrants is just the distraction...
The drugs pouring over are the #1 goal with democrat votes being the second.. Both equate to big $$$$ and there are simply too many people "in power", at all levels, with their hand in that cookie jar..

It could be completely and easily stopped in a year or less if our government officials truly wanted it to stop..
Until we the people say enough with the corruption it will never end..
That is a huge if and i am not sure it will be over come.
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Enforce the laws on hiring illegals and make the fines so drastic that no one will hire them. No welfare/student loans/grants etc. without a SS# or tax ID. And you can't enroll your kids in our public schools unless you can prove you pay taxes. 75% tax on money sent out of the country. Boom 95-98% of the problem gone.

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This is the simple truth!!!

Until we the people force our politicians to act accordingly, our country is headed to the toilet. Stop getting distracted by walls, border control, splitting up families. We have to cut off the jobs and handouts. The other stuff will take care of itself.
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Enforce the laws on hiring illegals and make the fines so drastic that no one will hire them. No welfare/student loans/grants etc. without a SS# or tax ID. And you can't enroll your kids in our public schools unless you can prove you pay taxes. 75% tax on money sent out of the country. Boom 95-98% of the problem gone.

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E-Verify can do this easily - it is free and available in all 50 states. However, bills to make it mandatory can't get enough votes in Congress due to a strange coalition of the open-borders left, open-borders libertarians (like the Cato Institute) and "Chamber of Commerce Republicans".
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E-Verify can do this easily - it is free and available in all 50 states. However, bills to make it mandatory can't get enough votes in Congress due to a strange coalition of the open-borders left, open-borders libertarians (like the Cato Institute) and "Chamber of Commerce Republicans".
This is what ticks me off. The technology is here to fix the problem. We are either for open borders or we aren't. Can't have it both ways. Politicians try to get everyone going down rabbit holes to take their eyes off of the real issue. I know its all about the $$$ and everyone lining their pockets with cheap labor. And the economy would collapse and blah blah blah. But lets either cut off the jobs or open the borders. I'm personally for shutting down the jobs to illegals. But can we stop with the song and dance about walls, more border control, etc...???
We either want illegals here or we don't.
It is evident that our politicians and corporations want them here. So until enough Americans let them know that is not what we want, it will continue to get worse.
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the Politicians that want them here, want them here as voters - has nothing to do with corporations, or farmers, or businesses that use them.
its a Power thing. They are a means to an end, and the end has nothing to do with what is good for the country or its citizens.
That is the issue.
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Why would I want to move to Mexico? Doesnít even make sense. We will continue to get their problems and people not to mention they will vote Democrat so in the long run we lose control of our own county and our our own future but who cares letís continue down the same path, death by a thousand cuts.
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Do you even read what you post? Certainly you canít be reviewing it critically!

You speak of death by a thousand paper cuts because of the inflow of immigrants. Yet you want to annex them, giving them citizenship and voting rights and access to all the resources.... isnít that just jabbing a knife in our own aorta?

You say you are waiting for a better solution and yet I donít think you have even thought about the lunacy of your own solution...
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the Politicians that want them here, want them here as voters - has nothing to do with corporations, or farmers, or businesses that use them.
its a Power thing. They are a means to an end, and the end has nothing to do with what is good for the country or its citizens.
That is the issue.
It has everything to do with the businesses that hire them. If they did not hire them, they would not be here....period.

It is not just the democratic politicians that want illegals here. Republicans are the majority right now. If they aren't trying to mandate e-verify, they want them here too.
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Do you even read what you post? Certainly you canít be reviewing it critically!



You speak of death by a thousand paper cuts because of the inflow of immigrants. Yet you want to annex them, giving them citizenship and voting rights and access to all the resources.... isnít that just jabbing a knife in our own aorta?



You say you are waiting for a better solution and yet I donít think you have even thought about the lunacy of your own solution...


Whatever playa, no I donít feel the need to read my posts, I know exactly what Iím writing as I write It and apparently so do You because you are always there to respond.
No lunacy in controlling your own destiny. You have a problem and you solve it. Right now we have a problem and itís not going to go away. You can either do something about it or sit back and let the situation control you and thatís whatís happening. If MEXICO isnít going to stop their people from illegally coming here then we will be forced to do something about it or not. If we choose not to do anything then we loose itís as simple as that.
Itís really no different than when we took texas,You do understand Texas was annexed right?
We also took New Mexico and California too so it wouldnít be the first time.
Guess guys like andrew Jackson and James k Polk were lunatics too.


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You are stating why the illegal aliens are here...what benefits them.
The politicians dont give a **** about what benefits them... they sell that utopian bull**** idea in order to get them to come here..to vote..to keep them in power ...so they can make policies and laws about **** that they really care about..
corporations/businesses facilitate that by giving them money...to stay in power...

e-verify and the like means no extra voters...and no votes means no power.
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Whatever playa, no I donít feel the need to read my posts, I know exactly what Iím writing as I write It and apparently so do You because you are always there to respond.
No lunacy in controlling your own destiny. You have a problem and you solve it. Right now we have a problem and itís not going to go away. You can either do something about it or sit back and let the situation control you and thatís whatís happening. If MEXICO isnít going to stop their people from illegally coming here then we will be forced to do something about it or not. If we choose not to do anything then we loose itís as simple as that.
Itís really no different than when we took texas,You do understand Texas was annexed right?
We also took New Mexico and California too so it wouldnít be the first time.
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I understand what annexation is and how it has been applied historically, Iím against annexing as a solution to the problem that is Mexico. 1st you seem to think we can just annex Mexico without any military action. I donít think the power holders of Mexico will go peacefully. 2nd, you tout it as a solution to immigration and illegals voting. It wonít, they will still migrate where jobs are and they still wonít be S of the border. This is a country who just voted to power a socialist president. Right now a minuscule number by percentage of total population of Mexican citizens vote in American politics. If you annex them they will ALL legally vote, but with the same voting habits they already have. All annexation will do is give the US the totality of the current problems with the totality of the financial burden of the entire nation of Mexico.

That sounds like a lose lose
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At some point in the future we will have to militarize our border. Similar to North Korea/South Korea.
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You are stating why the illegal aliens are here...what benefits them.
The politicians dont give a **** about what benefits them... they sell that utopian bull**** idea in order to get them to come here..to vote..to keep them in power ...so they can make policies and laws about **** that they really care about..
corporations/businesses facilitate that by giving them money...to stay in power...

e-verify and the like means no extra voters...and no votes means no power.
I understand what the democrats are looking for down the road...future generations of democratic voters. Why are the republicans in on the deal???
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power is non-partisan.
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I understand what the democrats are looking for down the road...future generations of democratic voters. Why are the republicans in on the deal???
Cheaper services makes for bigger profits in business which in turn mean more cash in the politicians pocket.
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At some point in the future we will have to militarize our border. Similar to North Korea/South Korea.
It won't ever happen... The amount of $$$ swapping hands is just too great..
To many folks in power getting rich..
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Cheaper services makes for bigger profits in business which in turn mean more cash in the politicians pocket.
Yep, someone earlier said it was all about the votes and had nothing to do with who hires the illegals. It's a two way street though. Pockets padded on both sides. American citizens paying the toll...the ones that work.
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I understand what the democrats are looking for down the road...future generations of democratic voters. Why are the republicans in on the deal???
$$$$!! When I refer to "Chamber of Commerce Republicans" I am not referring to local chapters who work to promote local businesses. At the national level they are the #1 promoter of crony capitalism and never saw a government program or law they didn't like if it helps line their donor's pockets. While they give lip service to border security as their official position their actions say otherwise. For example they have poured huge amounts of money into the campaign to stop E-Verify. Why? The only logical answer is their donor/members like cheap labor.
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$$$$!! When I refer to "Chamber of Commerce Republicans" I am not referring to local chapters who work to promote local businesses. At the national level they are the #1 promoter of crony capitalism and never saw a government program or law they didn't like if it helps line their donor's pockets. While they give lip service to border security as their official position their actions say otherwise. For example they have poured huge amounts of money into the campaign to stop E-Verify. Why? The only logical answer is their donor/members like cheap labor.
Consumers like cheap labor too. While it may lead to more profit for corporations it also results in cheap labor. Can you imagine housing costs if we had to pay American wages for carpentry, drywall and concrete?
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Consumers like cheap labor too. While it may lead to more profit for corporations it also results in cheap labor. Can you imagine housing costs if we had to pay American wages for carpentry, drywall and concrete?
It is all relative. Price of labor goes up....cost of goods goes up. People have more money to spend on goods. Eventually you end up in pretty much the same spot. But citizens pay taxes and most of the money doesn't end up south of the border. And you get to stop paying for their education and healthcare.
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$$$$!! When I refer to "Chamber of Commerce Republicans" I am not referring to local chapters who work to promote local businesses. At the national level they are the #1 promoter of crony capitalism and never saw a government program or law they didn't like if it helps line their donor's pockets. While they give lip service to border security as their official position their actions say otherwise. For example they have poured huge amounts of money into the campaign to stop E-Verify. Why? The only logical answer is their donor/members like cheap labor.
Yep.. This is exactly how politicians, who's earned annual income is less than many of ours, serve only a few years and retire multi millionaires... They dam sure didn't earn it...
A whole lotta "under the table money" flowing in every direction...
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Old 07-10-2018, 08:39 PM   #93
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Consumers like cheap labor too. While it may lead to more profit for corporations it also results in cheap labor. Can you imagine housing costs if we had to pay American wages for carpentry, drywall and concrete?

It's not cheap labor anymore. They're plumbers. Electricians. HVAC guys. Those aren't day labor.


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It's not cheap labor anymore. They're plumbers. Electricians. HVAC guys. Those aren't day labor.


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Don't forget about rig welders, brick layers, framers, insulators, ranchers and the list goes on...
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Think about the good these skilled workers could do for Mexico if they went back..............nope, cartels.
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Old 07-12-2018, 11:03 AM   #96
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Consumers like cheap labor too. While it may lead to more profit for corporations it also results in cheap labor. Can you imagine housing costs if we had to pay American wages for carpentry, drywall and concrete?
You mean like our entire history up until about 25 years ago?
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